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    Everything everywhere says 5-6 meals daily at least......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough
    Thats awesome... but 9 out of 10 personal trainers, in the gym and across the web would surely disagree....

    Its good it worked for you though...

    Not every key unlocks every door...

    Everyone is unique.
    Lol gym trainers..

    I never said anything in regards to it being the only way. In fact your original statement sounded like you think 5-6 meals is the only way.

    I am of the mindset "you don't know until you try it" I experiment a lot with nutrition, and an not so quick to write things off. I think this style of eating has merit for certain individuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madds87
    Everything everywhere says 5-6 meals daily at least......
    You ever read anything by Layne Norton?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds View Post
    Really? There is a whole thread devoted to this, just a few below this one. The whole premise of IF is 2-3 meals a day. I think it is pretty effective, although on an all out bulk, I am still undecided.
    I didn't see that thread. I have heard of intermittent fasting, I have a good friend that does it. I didn't know that's what SS was talking about, if in fact that's what he was talking about. If it was what he was talking about then he should have stated it. Either way, I just don't like the idea of not putting fuel and nutrients in my body for a long while when I'm trying my hardest to build muscle.

    I was more arguing against plain old eating 3 meals a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    In a 16 hour day (8hr sleep) that would be 5-6 meals paco...

    Do the math before you post this gibberish thinking your schooling someone, you just negated your own post.

    Edit: there's tons of info showing multiple smaller meals increase metabolism and require less insulin secretion evening out bs levels.... Also if one is carb cycling or restricted in their diet this will actually help increase insulin sensitivity and give the pancreas a break....

    Read up on the subject.
    info isnt studies,

    your mis interpreting .......

    eating is eating. theres always small amounts of insulin secretion via the GIP (Gastric inhibitory polypeptide). so, beta cells are still stimulated. Thus leptin is being stimulated, higher occurance for leptin/insulin resistance to occur. go back to school "PACO".

    2-3 MEALS not eating every 2-3 hours.

    you want you pancreas to "reload" as insulin is secreted in 2 bursts in every meal. burst 1 the stored "prepared" insulin burst 2 insulin that has to be made.

    if you pancreas hasnt reloaded its forced to continuously make TOO much insulin.

    hence the lows after a couple hours people get.

    does it have to be intermittent fasting im talking about ... no.

    Generally as long as calories get in for a bulk doesnt matter if its one meal or 10. however the LESS you have (especially while eating carbs) the better for your pancreas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds

    You ever read anything by Layne Norton?
    Nope I have not. Ill have to check that out. Good read?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssbackwards View Post
    Generally as long as calories get in for a bulk doesnt matter if its one meal or 10. however the LESS you have (especially while eating carbs) the better for your pancreas.
    This makes no sense to me. Again, if you eat 2000-2500 cals in one sitting, it's going to be digested in a few hours and the body will feed on it's own stores for fuel until you put food back in your body. And the intensity of the workouts increases the body's demand for fuel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diabolik View Post
    This makes no sense to me. Again, if you eat 2000-2500 cals in one sitting, it's going to be digested in a few hours and the body will feed on it's own stores for fuel until you put food back in your body. And the intensity of the workouts increases the body's demand for fuel.
    its not all digested in a few hours protein takes extremely long to digest as does fat and carbs slowing down digestion even more.

    8 oz chicken breast can take up to about 6 hrs to digest.
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    I don't think so. You have something wrong with your digestive system if it takes 6 hours to digest an 8oz chicken breast.
    http://drbass.com/sequential.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssbackwards View Post
    Via stimulation of Gastric inhibitory polypeptide...

    http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/66/2/323.short

    at work sorry cant be more thrurough

    http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v8/n7/abs/nm727.html
    Quote Originally Posted by ssbackwards View Post

    Thank you

    Quote Originally Posted by Diabolik View Post
    Ok so my wife got the recipe from Jamie Eason, didn't wanna steal credit. Here it is so everybody can see it.

    Ingredients:
    • 2 lbs ground turkey (or chicken)
    • 3 egg whites
    • 1 cup quick cooking oats
    • 1/2 tsp ground cumin
    • 1/2 tsp dried thyme
    • 2 tsp dry yellow mustard
    • 2 tsp black pepper
    • 2 tsp chipotle pepper spice
    • 1 tsp salt
    • 2 tbsp garlic powder (2 cloves minced)
    • 1 small onion (finely chopped)
    • 2 celery stalks (finely chopped)

    Directions:
    1. Preheat oven to 375 degrees.
    2. Spray muffin pan with canola or olive oil.
    3. Mix all your ingredients together in one large bowl.
    4. Roll the mixture into balls and place in muffin pan. Muffins should be about the size of a racquetball.
    5. Bake for 40 minutes.Makes 12 muffins.

      Serving Size:
      Women: 2 muffins
      Men: 4 muffins


      Calories:
      80
      Fats: 2 grams
      Carbs: 4 grams
      Protein: 11 grams
    Awesome thanks for this! Ima try it out sometime next week

    Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    Thats awesome... but 9 out of 10 personal trainers, in the gym and across the web would surely disagree....

    Its good it worked for you though...

    Not every key unlocks every door...

    Everyone is unique.
    9 out of 10 personal trainers would also tell you dietary fat is bad for you.

    Just because the majority of people say it, it doesn't make it right or even logical.
    "The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssbackwards View Post

    Generally as long as calories get in for a bulk doesnt matter if its one meal or 10. however the LESS you have (especially while eating carbs) the better for your pancreas.
    if youd like to poop out all your cals then eat them in a single sitting.... you might be acting facetious here but its not true regardless.


    Im still waiting on studies from your end as well since I have done plenty of homework on the subject and info is all I need, Im not going to find it for you.

    You CAN find advocates for just about anything, thats true, but I know what works for the general populace and has been shown effective through real world results time and time again, keeping BS levels constant will def boost metabolism and carb cycling will reduce pancreatic strain.

    If your bulking then id def suggest using an insulin aid like anabolic pump as well to give your pancreas a break.... still insulin isnt everything when it comes to metabolism, the body uses tons of different mechanisms to increase your metabolic rate and having a constant source of fuel is imparitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diabolik View Post
    I don't think so. You have something wrong with your digestive system if it takes 6 hours to digest an 8oz chicken breast.
    http://drbass.com/sequential.html
    nope

    has to do with the amount of protein you consume i believe they are talking about an ounce one serving.

    otherwise why would people still think you can only digest 30g of protein at one time?

    its been debunked . and ill get you a study.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    if youd like to poop out all your cals then eat them in a single sitting.... you might be acting facetious here but its not true regardless.


    Im still waiting on studies from your end as well since I have done plenty of homework on the subject and info is all I need, Im not going to find it for you.


    You CAN find advocates for just about anything, thats true, but I know what works for the general populace and has been shown effective through real world results time and time again, keeping BS levels constant will def boost metabolism and carb cycling will reduce pancreatic strain.

    If your bulking then id def suggest using an insulin aid like anabolic pump as well to give your pancreas a break.... still insulin isnt everything when it comes to metabolism, the body uses tons of different mechanisms to increase your metabolic rate and having a constant source of fuel is imparitive.
    u never asked for them.

    Leangains.com has most of them.

    but generally physiology in terms of leptin and insulin will show you why eating more and cutting meals in half will help and work better. on a health basis.

    ill search if i must, but im at work right now,.
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    I snack on deli turkey a lot! It's a great filling snack! Or peanut butter and celery is really tasty!
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    nice i like seeing that...except the one pubmed study being with obese individuals, not fit ones.... other then that very interesting.
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    http://www.jacn.org/content/20/6/643.full

    "this is in agreement with a previous report in which leptin response to carbohydrate intake is delayed for four to five hours after meal intake"

    so wait 4-5 hours after you eat for leptin levels to return to baseline to prevent leptin resistance
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    http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/277/5/E855.full

    "This response was progressive and started to diverge from that of fat meal and of fast approximately 4–5 h after food ingestion. These results are in agreement with our previous study showing that the postprandial leptin response to a meal is delayed to 4 h after the meal"

    The above just reiterating the top.

    "Leptin response was significantly correlated to insulin response (r = 0.51,P < 0.0001). "

    "In conclusion, a carbohydrate meal induces higher postprandial leptin levels than an isoenergetic fat meal."

    "Its major findings are 1) that a carbohydrate meal induces a greater postprandial leptin response than an isoenergetic fat meal, "

    so bulkin frequent meals are horrible for you and can lead to a greater chance of getting FAT.

    Is it true that low carb diets this can be taken in differently , yes, but as this study above shows insulin responce to fat ingestions..

    "In women, leptin levels were higher after the fat meal than while fasting."

    heres something interesting...

    "The relationship between leptin levels and carbohydrate intake suggests that leptin could contribute to the beneficial impact of carbohydrate-rich diets. Long-term studies are necessary to confirm this hypothesis."

    high levels of leptin in the brain (ARC nucleous) is responsible for increased oxidation. However if there is a resistance (which we can see on a bulk diet) then theres less fatty acid oxidation. This study failed to mention it due to needing "long-term studies". Carb rich diets alotted in the 4-5 hours inbetween meal times would be more beneficial which would be still 2-3 meals. depending on how your caloric intake is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    nice i like seeing that...except the one pubmed study being with obese individuals, not fit ones.... other then that very interesting.
    Well you have to understand obese to them is them going by a specific BMI not bodyfat (flaw in a lot of studies)... your BMI can be high but doesnt account for muscle mass.

    But you are right that lean individuals handle these things better, but lean individuals usually over eat to put on weight. and eat to frequently because they feel they need to.
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    "
    In spite of our progress in understandingleptin resistance and obesity, critical questions remainunanswered. In particular, how does elevated leptin lead to
    leptin resistance? Although both leptin receptors and leptin
    signaling are down regulated by chronically elevated leptin,the degree of down-regulation of either component isinsufficient to account for largely absent leptin responses.Could selective leptin resistance in the CNS explain thisdiscrepancy? Emerging evidence suggests that leptinsignaling is preferentially reduced in the arcuate nucleus ofthe hypothalamus and not in other regions such as theventromedial, dorsomedial and/or premammilary nucleusof the hypothalamus that also express leptin receptors (49).By what mechanism(s) is the leptin resistance prevented inthese other nuclei? If we can understand the nature ofleptin resistance and develop new ways to reverse thatresistance, we can unleash the potent fat reducing potentialof leptin, and leptin may once again referred to as the “antiobesity
    hormone”.

    http://www.bioscience.org/u37153137/.../2332/2332.pdf

    A study from 2007 kinda articulates difference between circulating vs ARC nucleus levels in modulation of adiposy.

    "
    These datademonstrate that chronic vanadium administrationenhances the weight-reducing effects of centrally
    administered leptin in lean animals. The underlying
    mechanism appears to involve enhanced hypothalamic
    leptin signal transduction.
    "
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    some good leptin stuff

    http://www.diabesity.eu/Leptin.htm

    doesnt capture it enough i dont think.

    more complex then that model.
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    White beans with albacore, my new "snack"
  

  
 

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