- 09-15-2011, 06:14 PM
Milk isn't a mucus, nor is it secreted through your skin and it won't clog your pores up. Dietary allergies can cause skin issues though, so it's good to cut out things that could be factors (like milk).
- 09-15-2011, 06:43 PM
A lot of people have allergies to milk... that's why.
I'm not sure where you got that milk's a mucus though (as you said in your post), nor does it cause mucus secretion.
Myth Buster: Milk consumption does not lead to mucus production
Anyhow I agreed with you that it should be stopped or cut down on... even though diet is very much not the cause for most people's acne on this board. Overall it's kind of a myth that a person's diet (generally speaking) will cause acne. Dehydration is a greater cause than candy or oily foods. Oily foods don't ramp up oil secretions... Most of the time with people here, it's hormonal. And with cystic stuff, it's mainly from hormonal imbalances not DHT specifically.http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/272413-gps-power-performance.html
- 09-15-2011, 07:17 PM
Again.lol Didn't say milk lead to mucus production.
I was told by my Dermatologist that Milk was a mucus(type thereof). I dnt know what else to describe milk as and He sounded pretty sure of himself, o well scratch that one.
Milk opens the sebum tap.
Drinking milk is like smearing sebum on your skin pores. And I really mean it. Every glass of milk you drink creates more sebum.
Nearly all commercial milk comes from pregnant cows. Pregnant cows' milk contains hormones that increase sebum production.
Milk contains dihydrotestosterone (DHT) precursors, including 5a-pregnanedione and 5a-androstanedione. These hormones are only few steps away from DHT. DHT signals the skin glands to produce more sebum, and researchers agree DHT is a prime acnegen.
And that's not all.
You skin already contains the enzymes requires for converting those precursors to DHT.
So with every glass of milk the DHT levels in your skin glands increase, and that means more sebum.
09-16-2011, 12:17 PM
Huh... that's definitely an interesting article.
I drink loads of milk (whole milk too) or at least used to, but I have low range DHT.
I don't think there's enough hormones in our food to cause a significant increase in sebum production. Even going on loads of test doesn't cause me to break out more than some small tiny bumps. The bad nasty stuff comes when my test is low/crashed IE: PCT
I think that report on milk increase DHT is a bogus one, and skeptical at best. The science behind it doesn't make sense and I've never seen studies with labwork done to prove this either. I think that dermatologist isn't basing their comment about milk being a form of mucus, on fact. It's definitely not. Cow's milk may as well be though since there's so much puss content in it.
I still totally believe that where milk is concerned, it's due to allegies. Cow's Milk isn't very natural for us, plus it's filled with all sorts of junk like puss, etc..... goats milk is the most natural form and easiest to digest. If your gut is good, your skin usually is good too, if hormones are balanced.
09-16-2011, 01:14 PM
09-16-2011, 06:12 PM
There's a simple way to test your Dr's theory, or that article's theory.
Remove milk from your diet, but keep dietary cholesterol and saturated fat the same.
Get bloodwork, test DHT
Add milk back into your diet, and then test DHT.
If milk raised DHT, I would drink a ton more of it. DHT is the most powerful androgen there is. I know from my labs, that milk has no effect on DHT levels with me. If anything, dietary hormones found in beef and milk, etc, will lower your own test levels. That's why people say to eat hormone free meet/food. It won't raise your test/dht levels. Lowers it..
Cow milk is pretty nasty in general though. If people want milk in their diet, they should be using goats milk. So much healthier, and far more beneficial:
09-16-2011, 06:16 PM
R u drinking organic milk? That could b why the milk doesn't affect your hormones. jus a theory. ehh?
09-18-2011, 04:46 PM
Never used to. I used to drink a lot of lactaid brand whole milk, almost a gallon a day when bulking. The only side it gave me personally was severe heartburn especially at night... would wake me up. I don't think it's organic, just lactose free.
I've been starting to follow more of a paleo diet, so milk free, but going to start adding some goats milk (whole) if I can get a good source of it. Tough in NYC.. they charge too much for whole fresh organic unpasteurized milk here. Usually it's a local NY farm that will bring it in, but for a major premium.
There was once this company that made whey protein from goats milk. I forget the name but they're no longer around. I always used to buy their protein. Supposedly much easier to digest. I'd have 90 grams of it altogether around my training, sipping pre-peri-and post workout, never got upset gut from it. Anyhow I'm getting off topic now.
I'm getting a super hard time getting this accutane started. My insurance company doesn't want to cover it, and needs my Dr to call them to authorize it.. and still likely won't cover much I bet. Wish it was still easy to find online. It's far to expensive without proper insurance.. $350/month for only 40mg/day.
09-23-2011, 09:33 PM
Does B5 affect sex drive? Also niacin seems to work somehow, but does it decrease sex drive? I find that when I have lots of acne I am
horniest. I wish I could change this correlation...
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10-11-2011, 05:01 PM
I used to have cystic acne and now my face is 100% acne free "knock on wood". here's my routine for the day, "and no, I'm not an Oxy rep, it's just what I found to work best".
1: in the shower in the morning wash my face with Oxy Maximum face wash. I let it sit on my face, but not long enough to severely dry my skin. when my skin gets super dry my skin produces MORE OIL to compensate. so maybe about 30 seconds, and then scrun with an exfoliating cloth, or wash cloth "I used to use a wash rag and it worked great, but I think my skin looks brighter when I use the exfoliating cloth".
2:after I get out of the shower and get dressed I use 1 Oxy maximum cleansing pad on my face, nothing extreme, just wipe and done "I feel like this cleans the pores that were opened by the face wash".
3: I go through the whole day without using anything else because if I do my skin will make more oil as said above.
4: before I go to bed I use another cleansing pad same as before, and then "this is the MOST IMPORTANT PART >" I use Oxy spot treatment over my WHOLE FACE. It's only meant to be used on individual pimples, but using over your whole face will kill the acne, kill the redness, kill some if not most of the oil, and keep new ones from popping up. for you I would suggest making a thick mask out of it until most of the acne is gone and then after that just apply a thin layer.
5: maybe ask the doctor for an antibiotic until it gets under control? I used Solodyn for a while and liked it a lot, but you have to do some kind of survey to make it affordable. The survey will make it around $700 cheaper. from $750>$50 or so. kind of like blackmailing you into taking the survey.
I used to use 'Duac?' prescription cream on my face, but after running out and having a break out while in a foreign country I started using the oxy spot treatment and found that it works BETTER than the prescription medicine.
I used to be a total pizza face "there was only 1 kid in the whole school with worse acne than me", I still have problems with body acne so I don't think it's my body maturing that has made the difference, I really think it's this routine that I put together after years of trial and error.
I know how it feels when everyone looks at your face instead of looking at your eyes and it's awful. My face was covered in cystic acne, BRIGHT RED, and oily. the duac gel took care of everything except the redness, and the oxy spot treatment does a pretty good job of that "a little redder than the normal person but MUCH MUCH MUCH better than before". I know buying 3 products "and multiple packs of the spot treatment bc they're small" may seem like it's a little expensive for just a trial run but this has made my life so much better.
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I have cystic acne. Mostly fires up with diet and stress or if Im run down. The thing about accutane is it kills cells in the Hippocampus. This is the reason I dont go back on. I did a cycle before and my short term memory is terrible since. Below is a quote from a person at acne.org.
Accutane contains 13-cis-retonoic acid which over time causes cell loss in the hippocampus, the part of the brain that helps with most cognitive short term memory. Without help from the hippocampus, new semantic memories are too weak to be intentionally recalled as a dream.So in theory, accutane would actually cause a severe loss in dream production over long periods of time exposed to the drug. Of course this is just a theory because cell loss in the hippocampus occur after months of use.The hippocampus also an important component of the limbic system which is a group of structures within the rhinencephalon of the brain that are associated with various emotions and feelings such as anger, fear, sexual arousal, pleasure, and sadness. Damage to the hippocampus by 13 cis retinoic acid causes abnormal functions in the limbic system, which causes things like impotence and most importantly depression. This is why accutane and depression are closely related.
Accutane is not a drug to play around with, it alters the the way the brain functions and can cause depression. If you notice an increase in depression or anger while on accutane consider lowering your dose. I myself am on low dose accutane 20 mg/day and this is the most i will ever go on because i do not think its worth the risk to go any higher than that.
03-10-2014, 09:50 AM
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