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  1. Ok you might not be interested, might think I’m full of crap, but when I was a teenager I took zinc & beta carotene for Fighting Acne. (Cystic Acne)
    When I started using M-DROL (superdrol) the first cycle I started breaking out. So I picked up some zinc & beta carotene and it cleared it up.
    So about two weeks prior to my current M-DROL (superdrol) cycle I started taking zinc & beta carotene again to get it in my system prior to the cycle.
    It works for me, that is all I care about. A''ll I can say is give it a try, what do you have to loose, possibly the Acne!!

    You will need to experiment as to what dosage you will need if it will work for you as it does me.


    http://www.acnemiracle.com/files/report3.html

    An excerpt from the above link on zinc & beta carotene for Fighting Acne.

    Zinc:

    Zinc helps regulate your skin's oil glands. It promotes fast healing and is said to boost your immune system. Zinc is needed for the absorption of Vitamin A. Zinc will also keep your EFA from becoming oxidized within the body. If you're looking for better looking skin that heals faster, than you need to supplement with Zinc.

    When taking Zinc, be sure to take only Zinc Monothionine (OptiZinc) or Zinc Picolinate. These two forms are your best chance for proper absorption within the body. Zinc can become toxic so be sure to keep your dosage under 100mg per day. The only time you could (safely) take more than 100mg per day is if you had an extremely active lifestyle with lots of exercise and sweating (sports, training, etc.)

    Take only the forms of Zinc listed above. Take between 50 and 90mg per day. Remember, no more than 100mg per day unless you have a very active lifestyle. Take it with food for best results.


    Vitamin A:

    The most important free radical scavenger you can take. It is also very important for healthy skin. Many of today's so-called "wonder drugs" are derived from Vita- min A. It helps with new cell growth and repair. It is also an excellent antioxidant.

    Vitamin A helps the kidneys fight infection and protects against cancer formation. It is so important that your body cannot utilize the protein it takes in with having Vitamin A present in your system.

    You will never get enough Vitamin A from diet alone, so you must start supplementing it right away. Vitamin A can become very toxic to your body at high dosages, so approach with caution and be sure you're keeping an eye on the amount of I.U. you take in daily.

    A safe Vitamin A dosage would be around 25,000 (or lower) I.U. per day. It's been documented that the best way to supplement Vitamin A is by taking carotenes, such as the popular beta-carotene. I take a mixture of straight Vitamin A (from fish oils and green vegetables) and a beta-carotene supplement. The beta-carotene is converted into Vitamin A within the body.

    Beta-carotene is non toxic but it will turn your skin orange if you take in too much on a continual basis (sometimes you'll even turn yellowish). Again, be sure to stick with a natural supplement. The synthetic supplements are like putting rocks into your body. They will not be absorbed or used, only treated as toxins.

    Start with 50,000 I.U. per day of beta-carotene. You can work your way up to 125,000 I.U. per day for better results, but take it slow. Again, it is non-toxic, but if you don't need that much then don't waste it. Along with the beta-carotene you should take around 10,000 I.U. of straight Vitamin A. You can safely double this dosage if you're not seeing any results, but remember, beta carotene is the non-toxic supplement. Straight Vitamin A can become very toxic so keep the daily intake low. Take Vitamin A with food.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    i would shy away from the accutane.. especially now they are finding it causes so many intestinal issues (crohns for one)...

    B5 for the win!
    I've used B5 for a few months now, and used it before a few years ago... I have seen absolute changes and improvements, but, it hasn't been able completely cure complexion issues by any means - even after months @ 10g/day. I buy by the kilo. I believe aside from the liver and severe skin-drying effects of Accutane, it is a solid short term solution.

    Where has it been documented that Accutane causes that condition, and at what dosage/duration?
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    I took accutane back in high school when I was 15. The stuff worked like a charm and I very rarely see a zit pop up anymore. However, it was miserable stuff in terms of what it did to my skin being dried out like crazy. That was worth it to get rid of the acne, though.

    What I'll say, though, is that in the winter, my skin still gets really dried out and on occasion (not annually, but every other winter or so), my palms and the insides of my fingers will break out in these little bumps (look like little blackheads). It happened for the first time when I was on accutane. Of all things, what the doctor prescribed for it was the same stuff they use for genital warts or herpes -- I don't remember which, I just remember going to the pharmacy and picking it up and then reading that as one of the uses on the side and feeling incredibly embarrassed.

    So, accutane works wonders, but sides are definitely a possibility as well.
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  4. Midwest, true... I used Accutane once from one of my sources, and it was AMAZING, but I HAD to keep Chapstick with me at all times. The first week already had my skin feeling brittle, and I even started to get 'ashy' on my arms especially (white dry skin on my forearms). It worked though! I believe I did get a nosebleed or two.

    Years later (maybe 6 years) down the road, I have a very slight issue every now and then with acne, but the breakouts are NO WHERE near what they were, ESPECIALLY if you consider I'm on cycle and sweating almost all day long from the cardio, training, clean and T3.

    I have been doing 10g/day divided into 5g am and 5g pm of B5 powder in my protein shakes. I am looking for accutane again to have on hand after the cycle is over, THIS IS THE SINGLE WORST TIME FOR ME BY FAR (after cessation of the cycle/drugs).

    I am going to use a mixture of NTBM's Facial Cleanser, Cetephil Face Wash, and Blackhead Clearing Scrub

  5. Are you stressed out? I took accutane about 3 times my acne was so bad. Even after my last cycle on it I still got bad acne, but not as bad as before. I moved out recently and noticed since I moved out my acne greatly diminished and it has noting to do with diet, I eat about 3 times as much meat as before. When I lived with my grandmother I was so stressed out everyday. Now since I live with my step dad my stress is a lot less.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    I've used B5 for a few months now, and used it before a few years ago... I have seen absolute changes and improvements, but, it hasn't been able completely cure complexion issues by any means - even after months @ 10g/day. I buy by the kilo. I believe aside from the liver and severe skin-drying effects of Accutane, it is a solid short term solution.

    Where has it been documented that Accutane causes that condition, and at what dosage/duration?
    sorry dont have a source other than there are commercials on tv all the time for lawyers saying Accutane has been linked to Crohns and they will sue on your behalf...
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  7. I have just had a bad breakout recently that seemed to get worse no matter what i did. I started using a cream called Benzac AC. Its a cream that contains 10% benzoyl peroxide (this is the main ingrediant in proactive which only contains 1.5%) and cost $10. Ive been putting it on twice a day for three days and the achne is nearly gone! its cheap and effective.

  8. Low dose accutane over extended periods (months) seems fairly safe and the way to go, if you keep your liver values protected and checked.

    That 10% benzoyl peroxide is the only one I use. The thicker you apply it, the better. Even if it hardens a white crust overtop, it seems to work better that way. Any larger zits will immediately start to go down. If I'm at home working, etc, and I have some that are larger, I'll apply it very liberally and let it sit all day. I'll do the same at night and let it harder before I go to sleep, then wash it off in the morning. Works well.

  9. Listen to Middleageguy above, Zinc is where it is at. Cleared me up, once I finally figured out what was doing it. I am afraid to go off of Zinc now so I just maintain a dosage of 15mg every other day or so. But I took 15 mg of Optizinc by Jarrow twice a day, which also includes copper so that your zinc:copper levels do not get thrown off. Optizinc is supposedly better absorbed and less likely to get blocked by other minerals than other forms of zinc. Zinc has an innate relationship with vitamin A, you can have good serum vitamin A levels supposedly; but, if you do not have enough zinc than you cannot properly utilize your vitamin A. Zinc also has other important mechanisms in terms of immunity and also digestive health.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Low dose accutane over extended periods (months) seems fairly safe and the way to go, if you keep your liver values protected and checked.

    That 10% benzoyl peroxide is the only one I use. The thicker you apply it, the better. Even if it hardens a white crust overtop, it seems to work better that way. Any larger zits will immediately start to go down. If I'm at home working, etc, and I have some that are larger, I'll apply it very liberally and let it sit all day. I'll do the same at night and let it harder before I go to sleep, then wash it off in the morning. Works well.
    Good advice... also, I believe water intake it overlooked in a lot of these scenarios where so many of us (myself included in various situations) look for an herb, drug, or steroid to work the magic for us. Medicine has it's place without a doubt, but keeping stress levels in check, attaining proper hydration, and getting out into the summer sun can work some great magic.

    Also, Accutane is ridiculously hard to find online... I remember the good ole' days, haha.

  11. I wish I could find it online. There's only once place I know of and I don't like them much or the price.

    I go to my dermatologist, he prescribes a high dose and then I just low dose it. That way I have a lot extra to last me. Well that's what I did last time when I started TRT. I've only taken it twice in my life. It's a pain getting labs monthly that way though. I kept on liver supps and I was always midrange so all was good. I respond really well to accutane. My Dr was surprised back then, especially because of the amount I was taking. They normally dose by weight, and even his high dose was on the low end for my weight.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    Good advice... also, I believe water intake it overlooked in a lot of these scenarios where so many of us (myself included in various situations) look for an herb, drug, or steroid to work the magic for us. Medicine has it's place without a doubt, but keeping stress levels in check, attaining proper hydration, and getting out into the summer sun can work some great magic.

    Also, Accutane is ridiculously hard to find online... I remember the good ole' days, haha.
    You know what, im going to try get some more sun and drink more water. Maybee thats my problem.

  13. When u get some sun make sure you dont have any scabs or dry sin patches because you'll get some spotting. I'm currently dealing with some acne and am thinking about b5 supplementation with L-carnitine. I've read it used as a topical as well, any input on that?
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  14. Anyone in here ever get dermabrasion or some sort of treatment for old scars?

    When I started TRT, I got some bad cystic stuff on my back, zapped it with accutane and it's never come back, but it's left it's mark, faded but there. I want to fully remove it. I figure it happens a lot in the steroid world. How effective is this procedure and typical cost? I won't use bleaching creams, it's summer and I want to tan.

    btw, talking about just old red/dark pigmentation type marks, nothing raised or sunken.

  15. Update: Ordered some of NTBM's Need 2 Clear http://www.**********************/sto...anser-p80.html

    Also, I was able to source bulk Accutane powder to make my own capsules/liquid for self medication. Minimum order from the lab was quite large, so, depending on shelf life, I'll be set for years.

    Lastly, I will continue B5 treatment @ 10g/day, and also heard from a friend that Niacinimide works wonders when applied TOPICALLY to the site of breakouts across shoulders, chest, and even face. I don't know why B3 would be so efficacious against acne, but he swears by it and has experience using it recently to combat his cycle-induced body acne.

    I wonder if B5 would work the same way when applied topically, perhaps with Phlogel which I believe is the most effective transdermal carrier on the market? I continue to wish and wish that NTBM would make their carrier available as a standalone!!

  16. Quote Originally Posted by greekgeorge View Post
    SO a while ago I did hdrol, and dermacrine, during which I had my face clear up incredibly.
    I have cystic acne

    During the last two weeks of pct I started to break out its been 3.5 months since and it just keeps getting worse. I have been take 200mg Docycycline 2times a day. Just started tea tree oil soap and a olive oil/cocunut moisturizer soap. I have washed my face up to 15 times a day and as little as twice, and nether seem to make a difference.

    It really went crazy on x factor advanced

    When I take DAA I get more acne however only slightly, I dont feel any rise in test, no extra libido, agression nothing like others describe with DAA. The only non supplement I take is ghrp6, could that be related?

    all products with salylic acid (proactiv) make it worse. any suggestions?


    i'm also worried about my acne...pls help...........

  17. Quote Originally Posted by granicefer11 View Post
    i'm also worried about my acne...pls help...........
    B5 @ 10g/day divided in 2 doses
    Tanning if able 5x/week
    Need 2 Clear Acne Face Wash 1x/day
    Niacinimide Cream 1x/day
    Wal-Mart's Black Head Clearing Scrub 1x/day upon waking (let it sit on your face after scrubbing while you shower)
    Make sure to properly hydrate every day

    DONE!

  18. What works for me:

    diet-
    A good multi
    Zinc
    Fish/Flax oil

    Dr Bronners Castile peppermint soap for body wash
    Exfoliate Daily
    Moisturize Daily with a natural lotion

  19. ok, maybe i'm an idiot but every time i try to go to NTBM website it takes me to an advertising company??? I'm interested in getting the facewash...Good info on the b5 i've read about it on other sites but not as informative as it was in this thread.

  20. Acne is an issue that millions of people suffer from on a daily basis. Topical treatments are some of the most popular current treatments that are being used to today.Unfortunately, topical treatments do not work from the inside out and There are a few popular oral acne pills that are available by presciption as well. On top of that many of them come with very serious side effects.
    Acne-tame is a safe side effect free product that may help prevent acne. Acnetame combines Powerful oral ingredients to fight Acne from the inside out.



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  21. Another thought i had last night was it seems like most acne associated with aas is from DHT conversion. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong. But i'm curious if you took a DHT block as part of cycle if it would cut down on the amount of acne? Anyone have experiance in this?

  22. That's only a partial problem

    I get outbreaks even when DHT is low. Hormonal fluctuations cause big outbreaks. For most people, where AAS is involved... being on cycle is not the problem - sure some acne can occur, but nothing NEAR as bad as when it's time for PCT.... this is where the real nastiness happens.

    I'm on TRT and continually have troubles mainly where HCG is involved. If I don't always dose things exactly the same every week, and be totally on top of things, then I get outbreaks. Right now I've stopped test and am using HCG only.. and am getting outbreaks, but my total T is lower and DHT is not high.

    I'm going on another course of Accutane (not a very high dose) and my dermatologist actually recommended staying on a very low dose over time, like an ongoing treatment of 10mg accutane per day to keep it away. It's not harmful this way (much much less of a burden on the liver, etc) and it works. For people with ongoing troubles, low dose accutane is definitely the way when all else fails (which is the case for most hormonal acne, it's very stubborn)

  23. ^^ Interesting. I def agree the worst time for most is when they cycle off and begining pct. I wasn't even aware that they could still prescribe accutane any more with all the recent findings on long term damage it can cause.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by SizeUp View Post
    ^^ Interesting. I def agree the worst time for most is when they cycle off and begining pct. I wasn't even aware that they could still prescribe accutane any more with all the recent findings on long term damage it can cause.
    There is no proof about the ulcerative colitis. There's a possible link between it being a trigger for people who have it in the family, but it's inconclusive since it doesn't seem to occur for people who dont' have a history of it.

    Joints, depression, etc, are common with it. I take joint supps since the stuff dries you out, but never had depression on it. SAM-e is good for that anyhow.

  25. I remember when I had family members who used Accutane that said it was "almost toxic dose of vitamin A".
    I find it interesting because vitamin A supplementation has been brought up a few times in the 3 pages of discussion.
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