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  1. Lunch (fast break at 12PM)

    10-12 oz grilled chicken breast
    3 cups lettuce/spinach mix (salad)
    1/2 cup soy nuts (salad)
    1 cup brocolli (salad)
    1/2 cup carrots (salad)
    2 tbsp Newmans Fat Free Low Cal Dressing
    2 tbsp bacon bits (salad)
    1 medium apple
    4 tbsp Naturally More Peanut Butter
    1 slice Layne Norton Cheesecake
    1 scoop Macro Greens
    1L water


    Snack (4PM)
    3 hard boiled eggs, whole
    3 egg whites
    Cholula hot sauce
    1L water

    Dinner (6PM)
    6-10 oz chicken/fish/beef
    1 cup green beans (or other veggie)
    1 slice Layne Norton Cheesecake
    1L water

    Dessert (tastes like a Shamrock Shake!) (just before 8PM)
    1 scoop myofusion
    1 scoop oximega greens
    1L water
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  2. thanks Milas!.. and when do you train .. early AM im guessing?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Red Dog View Post
    Not a bad idea at all, but it would hit you in the wallet pretty hard.

    Assuming 8 awake hours of fasting and 10g BCAA per serving, that's at least 50g each day (10g at 0:2:4:6:8 hour mark after waking) without adding any extra surrounding cardio or intraWO.

    1000g BCAA = MIN $40 (Bulk NP) = 20 days MAX (@50g per day)

    So at that rate, 1 month = ~$60 spent on BCAA. It would be sweet, but pretty expensive.

    BCAAs can get expensive depending on how much you are taking in. I take in usually 30g a day. 10g pre workout, 10g post and 10g 2 hours later which is 2 hours before breaking the fast.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by acwingfoot View Post
    thanks Milas!.. and when do you train .. early AM im guessing?
    Yep, in the gym by 6AM. 1-1.5 hrs weights, 10-30 minutes cardio, BCAA intra. Head to the office, and get a liter of water with more BCAA.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    BCAAs can get expensive depending on how much you are taking in. I take in usually 30g a day. 10g pre workout, 10g post and 10g 2 hours later which is 2 hours before breaking the fast.
    Or you could buy bulk BCAA for $20 a kilo, but you'd have to be smart about your powders. That or give your muscles a feast.

    Personally though, I like Xtend, BC+EAA and Purple Wraath. At some point maybe I'll do bulk and crystal light, but I've got a stash to burn through first.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Or you could buy bulk BCAA for $20 a kilo, but you'd have to be smart about your powders. That or give your muscles a feast.

    Personally though, I like Xtend, BC+EAA and Purple Wraath. At some point maybe I'll do bulk and crystal light, but I've got a stash to burn through first.
    Ive been using modern bcaa, or other bcaa product around workouts(with additional bulk), and bulk/crystal light the rest of the day.

  7. great thread idea here

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Or you could buy bulk BCAA for $20 a kilo, but you'd have to be smart about your powders. That or give your muscles a feast.

    Personally though, I like Xtend, BC+EAA and Purple Wraath. At some point maybe I'll do bulk and crystal light, but I've got a stash to burn through first.
    I have thought about going the bulk and crystal light route, as its definitely cheaper. But I love the taste and convenience of xtend so that's what I am using at least for now. Purple wraath is something I want to try too, but is more expensive than xtend
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  9. Bulk is the way to go. I get my BCAA and creatine in bulk form that way I can get exactly the amount I want. I mix a scoop of BCAA into my pre-workout drink, and a scoop of each in some 0 calorie sports drink for during my workouts.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Red Dog View Post
    That's totally fine and they are damn expensive, although I feel like there have been studies that indicate amino acids prior to weight training is superior in promoting protein synthesis and glycogen uptake in muscle cells post-workout.
    Leucine is not so expensive... As already referred here about Datbtrue, please check there some studies!

    Why don't take only leucine intraworkout? You still can take advantages of that increase in glycogen uptake and protein synthesis with only leucine intra WO.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Sik View Post
    Leucine is not so expensive... As already referred here about Datbtrue, please check there some studies!

    Why don't take only leucine intraworkout? You still can take advantages of that increase in glycogen uptake and protein synthesis with only leucine intra WO.
    Oh I understand the usefulness of leucine; I have quite a bit of bulk leucine to use actually!

    In my post I was just responding to your comment about BCAA being a "waste of money" by showing that there are documented benefits of consuming amino acids before a workout -- that's all.

    But yes, I hear that leucine also works well by itself and is considerably cheaper.

  12. The question is that IMO, not works well itself, WORKS Better!!

    Just my opinion, maybe some don't agree. Nevertheless, there are a lot of different options nowadays! Bulk rules

  13. Wow this thread has really exploded since I subbed! Great to see so much interest and open-mindedness with this diet.

    I have to go back and read to catch up but looks like a great discussion going on here about amino consumption

    This is my fasting mix and I usually have 3 of them before breaking my fast
    7g EAA
    7g BCAA
    6g Glutamine
    2g Taurine
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  14. Today is the my first day on IF. I actually got more sleep than I normally do last night, but I still feel very out of it in this fasted state. I feel like I am not thinking as clearly or as quickly as I usually am plus I just have that overwhelmingly tired feeling. I know I read somewhere that you may experience more energy etc in the fasted state so I am curious as to why I feel so tired. Does my body just have to adjust first since it is used to having food by now? Something like switching to a CKD diet or something. Initial lethargy followed by my body adapting to its new routine. Thanks.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Wow this thread has really exploded since I subbed! Great to see so much interest and open-mindedness with this diet.

    I have to go back and read to catch up but looks like a great discussion going on here about amino consumption

    This is my fasting mix and I usually have 3 of them before breaking my fast
    7g EAA
    7g BCAA
    6g Glutamine
    2g Taurine
    Mine is the same ingredients but 50% BCAA 25% EAA's, 15 Gluatamine and 10 Taurine... I got this off of Kabuki when he was doing his modified warrior diet... Chris has an intereting sounding mixture, can't remember what it is...
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by houstontexas View Post
    Today is the my first day on IF. I actually got more sleep than I normally do last night, but I still feel very out of it in this fasted state. I feel like I am not thinking as clearly or as quickly as I usually am plus I just have that overwhelmingly tired feeling. I know I read somewhere that you may experience more energy etc in the fasted state so I am curious as to why I feel so tired. Does my body just have to adjust first since it is used to having food by now? Something like switching to a CKD diet or something. Initial lethargy followed by my body adapting to its new routine. Thanks.
    There is an adjustment period just stick with it...
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by houstontexas View Post
    Today is the my first day on IF. I actually got more sleep than I normally do last night, but I still feel very out of it in this fasted state. I feel like I am not thinking as clearly or as quickly as I usually am plus I just have that overwhelmingly tired feeling. I know I read somewhere that you may experience more energy etc in the fasted state so I am curious as to why I feel so tired. Does my body just have to adjust first since it is used to having food by now? Something like switching to a CKD diet or something. Initial lethargy followed by my body adapting to its new routine. Thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    There is an adjustment period just stick with it...
    Yeah, I agree that it takes some bodies a bit to switch over. The nice side is that if you take stimulants, they're even more effective/potent!
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Yeah, I agree that it takes some bodies a bit to switch over. The nice side is that if you take stimulants, they're even more effective/potent!
    I'm pretty energiized on this regime.. It's a good opportunity to give my adrenals a rest. Now when i do take stims they will work like they used to.
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  19. I'm [email protected]#[email protected]# well dying here watching the clock waiting for noon.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I'm [email protected]#[email protected]# well dying here watching the clock waiting for noon.
    I'm with you! I took a Dexaprine to help curb appetite, and just had to eat a fiber cracker (only 12 calories, 5g fiber). Nearly puked on the first swallow!
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  21. I hate clock watching well other than at work.

  22. I'm not even fasting, and I'm dying here in between my every 2ish hours meal!

  23. Search on google for grehlin.

    It will take same time for your body adapt for your new eating schedule. Since it is adapted, it is very normal you will only feel hungry near the normal hour you eat.

    Since when you are fasted there is more catecholamines, any type of stim will be a lot more potent.

    Normally i start my day with a big cup of coffee. Then i have 4-5 hours of work without any hungry, but near 12 i became with the feeling i have to so, this is my window starting.

    Make sure to not UNDEReat doing intermittent fasting lyfestyle. I easily come to undereating and then the results sucks! So keep an eye on your calories/macros.

    cheers

  24. Yeah, when I attempted paleo I underate the first few days and ended up where I started eating close to half a jar of peanut or almond butter a day just to make calories

  25. There are very good choices for fasting! Even if you can start with higher calories, dependent by person.

    A big lunch that is full of veggies and a lot of fat and protein.

    the thing becomes someone who have to eat a 2k dinner:

    - 400g ~1lb of lean meat/fish (around 100g protein ~400kcal)
    - 250g of brown rice (around 200g of carbs ~800kcal)

    And after looking this huge dish and we think? "it is still missing more then 500kcal to fill the budget lol"

    So it is easy to undereat, even on feeding window!!
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