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  1. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Wow, how low can we go with this diet...? I dropped more weight on vacation, did a lot of cardio and extended fast then ate like a pig and got leaner... I am now leaner than I have ever been I think which puts me in the neighborhood of 6% and there is no sign I can't go lower as I have not even started to do any kind of prep...
    Pictures Old-Fugger... Pictures!!! You show us Young-Bucks what Wisdom & Experience from age can do!

    They had these two Bulls sitting up on a hill looking at a bunch of cows and the younger Bull looked to the older Bull and said, "Hey, let's run down there and F@ck a cow!" The older Bull shook his head and said, "No... Let's walk down and F@ck them all!" ~Words of Wisdom~
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Pictures Old-Fugger... Pictures!!! You show us Young-Bucks what Wisdom & Experience from age can do!

    They had these two Bulls sitting up on a hill looking at a bunch of cows and the younger Bull looked to the older Bull and said, "Hey, let's run down there and F@ck a cow!" The older Bull shook his head and said, "No... Let's walk down and F@ck them all!" ~Words of Wisdom~
    Unfortunately I only started thinking like the old bull recently lol ... I should see if I can get the wife to do some pics.. they won't be pretty...
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  3. Flawed looks like you got great responses so far so I will wait to see if you post any more questions.

    Doug, that is fuggin awesome you animal. I agree wanna see pics!

    Here is the link to my new log. Come on everyone let's see how much farther I can take this recomp using the Intermittent Fasting and FINAFLEX 1-ANDRO.

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    Also for those of you who are curious about IF and a PH/DS, this was a mild progestin run here over the past 4 weeks with these results. Pretty impressive if you ask me.
    5/12/11 - 199 9.6% LBM 179.85, Fat 19.15
    5/28/11 - 200 8.4% LBM 183.28, Fat 16.72
    6/10/11 - 203 8% LBM 186.7, Fat 16.3
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Flawed looks like you got great responses so far so I will wait to see if you post any more questions.

    Doug, that is fuggin awesome you animal. I agree wanna see pics!

    Here is the link to my new log. Come on everyone let's see how much farther I can take this recomp using the Intermittent Fasting and FINAFLEX 1-ANDRO.

    KLEEN - Gets REDEFINE’D & grows to 6% w/ 1-Andro & PCT Revolution Black (Sponsored)

    Also for those of you who are curious about IF and a PH/DS, this was a mild progestin run here over the past 4 weeks with these results. Pretty impressive if you ask me.
    5/12/11 - 199 9.6% LBM 179.85, Fat 19.15
    5/28/11 - 200 8.4% LBM 183.28, Fat 16.72
    6/10/11 - 203 8% LBM 186.7, Fat 16.3

    DAMN, good work bro!

  5. Well damn....finally finished reading every page of this thread. Took a while but was well worth it. Think I have my LG plan laid out correctly...let me know what you guys think.

    Goal is to cut fat and retain muscle. My weight is about 190 at i'd say around 12%

    Overview
     16 Hour Fast = 9pm - 1pm
     8 Hour Feed = 1pm - 9pm
     Workout 3x Week = Mon/Wed/Fri
     Cardio 6x Week = Mon-Sat
     Workout Day Calories = 2800 Calories
     Rest Day Calories = 1800 Calories

    WO Days
     1pm - Pre-Workout Meal (20% Daily Calories = 570) = 10g Fat, 60g Carbs, 60g Protein
     3pm - Workout + Cardio
     5pm - Post-Workout Meal (60% Daily Calories = 1680) = 40g Fat, 200g Carbs, 130g Protein
     8pm - Final Meal = 20g Fat, 20g Carbs, 80g Protein
     Totals = 2830 Calories, 70g Fat, 280g Carbs, 270g Protein
     Notes
    o Eat some fruit with Pre- and Post-Workout Meals
    o Post-Workout Meal can include carb-dense treats such as low fat ice cream, cereal, etc..

    Rest Days
     1pm - Pre-Cardio Meal (35% Daily Calories = 660) = 20g Fat, 20g Carbs, 100g Protein
     3pm - Cardio
     4pm - Post-Cardio Meal = 20g Fat, 20g Carbs, 75g Protein
     8pm - Final Meal = 30g Fat, 20g Carbs, 75g Protein
     Totals = 1870 Calories, 70g Fat, 60g Carbs, 250g Protein
     Notes
    o Final Meal must contain slow digesting protein such as casein or meat with fiber and fat

  6. Quote Originally Posted by T50 View Post
    Well damn....finally finished reading every page of this thread. Took a while but was well worth it. Think I have my LG plan laid out correctly...let me know what you guys think.

    Goal is to cut fat and retain muscle. My weight is about 190 at i'd say around 12%

    Overview
     16 Hour Fast = 9pm - 1pm
     8 Hour Feed = 1pm - 9pm
     Workout 3x Week = Mon/Wed/Fri
     Cardio 6x Week = Mon-Sat
     Workout Day Calories = 2800 Calories
     Rest Day Calories = 1800 Calories

    WO Days
     1pm - Pre-Workout Meal (20% Daily Calories = 570) = 10g Fat, 60g Carbs, 60g Protein
     3pm - Workout + Cardio
     5pm - Post-Workout Meal (60% Daily Calories = 1680) = 40g Fat, 200g Carbs, 130g Protein
     8pm - Final Meal = 20g Fat, 20g Carbs, 80g Protein
     Totals = 2830 Calories, 70g Fat, 280g Carbs, 270g Protein
     Notes
    o Eat some fruit with Pre- and Post-Workout Meals
    o Post-Workout Meal can include carb-dense treats such as low fat ice cream, cereal, etc..

    Rest Days
     1pm - Pre-Cardio Meal (35% Daily Calories = 660) = 20g Fat, 20g Carbs, 100g Protein
     3pm - Cardio
     4pm - Post-Cardio Meal = 20g Fat, 20g Carbs, 75g Protein
     8pm - Final Meal = 30g Fat, 20g Carbs, 75g Protein
     Totals = 1870 Calories, 70g Fat, 60g Carbs, 250g Protein
     Notes
    o Final Meal must contain slow digesting protein such as casein or meat with fiber and fat
    Looks good to me man. Give it two weeks and decide if you want to add or remove calories depending on your specific metabolism but that is a great starting point.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Looks good to me man. Give it two weeks and decide if you want to add or remove calories depending on your specific metabolism but that is a great starting point.
    Thanks man, that's exactly what i'll do. What do you think for a workout routine? I need a new one and was thinking of maybeeeeee DC training? I've done it before with success but idk if it'll be over training on a cut/leangains. Any workout you recommend while on leangains?

  8. I think full body type workouts or circuits/supersets would work best if you're going for a cut. I think Kleen and others recommend the Warrior Workout in this case. Kleen has the lowdown though, so I'll stop from stealing his thunder!
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  9. anyone ever bulk on this? id have to put down round 3300 cals, jsut seems like most people use this to lean out but i wanna get bigger right now

  10. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    anyone ever bulk on this? id have to put down round 3300 cals, jsut seems like most people use this to lean out but i wanna get bigger right now
    Would also like to know since I'd like to try this out on cycle during a lean bulk also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    anyone ever bulk on this? id have to put down round 3300 cals, jsut seems like most people use this to lean out but i wanna get bigger right now
    Quote Originally Posted by T50 View Post
    Would also like to know since I'd like to try this out on cycle during a lean bulk also.
    From what I read on the main site for this a while back, he does it all the time for everything. His reasoning is that he can bulk without putting on fat because he wasn't a fan of the standard bulking/cutting with such drastic changes and the negative sides that accompanied both (e.g. too much fat gain in a bulk, too much muscle lost in a cut).

    I'm not sure if anyone on here has used it for this, but the creator uses it as a lifestyle change for all goals.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    From what I read on the main site for this a while back, he does it all the time for everything. His reasoning is that he can bulk without putting on fat because he wasn't a fan of the standard bulking/cutting with such drastic changes and the negative sides that accompanied both (e.g. too much fat gain in a bulk, too much muscle lost in a cut).

    I'm not sure if anyone on here has used it for this, but the creator uses it as a lifestyle change for all goals.
    Yup, this is correct. LG/IF is an everyday protocol or dietary lifestyle that one can tweak based on specific goals (e.g. fat loss, lean mass gain). The process is always the same (typically the 16/8 fast/feed protocol) but the total calorie content varies.

  13. So are there any other preset values such as the -20%/+20% from maintenance guidelines? I just thought up these and think they would work.

    Recomp: -20%/+20%
    Estimated Cutting: -30%/+10% (What I will be trying initially for my cut)
    Estimated Lean Bulking: -5%/+30%

  14. Quote Originally Posted by T50 View Post
    So are there any other preset values such as the -20%/+20% from maintenance guidelines? I just thought up these and think they would work.

    Recomp: -20%/+20%
    Estimated Cutting: -30%/+10% (What I will be trying initially for my cut)
    Estimated Lean Bulking: -5%/+30%
    I would play with the numbers a bit then create the percentages when you know what works best for you. These percentages are individual and will vary slightly from person to person.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I would play with the numbers a bit then create the percentages when you know what works best for you. These percentages are individual and will vary slightly from person to person.
    Definitely true!

  16. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I would play with the numbers a bit then create the percentages when you know what works best for you. These percentages are individual and will vary slightly from person to person.
    For sure, was just thinking about those as starting points.

  17. I train very early in the morning fasted. I take in about 3 eggs and some fruit afterwards. My feed hours are from 1-9. I am truly not following LG because of my small feeding in the morning post workout. is this ok?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I would play with the numbers a bit then create the percentages when you know what works best for you. These percentages are individual and will vary slightly from person to person.
    Agree 100%. I've had to do a lot of adjusting and will probably have to adjust more to find exactly what works best for me and my current goal
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by jontrainer View Post
    I train very early in the morning fasted. I take in about 3 eggs and some fruit afterwards. My feed hours are from 1-9. I am truly not following LG because of my small feeding in the morning post workout. is this ok?
    I think you might be foregoing some of the physiological benefits of fasting for 16 hours by eating that small meal post-workout. If you could switch that out for some BCAAs and make 1PM your first true meal you would be good to go.

    There's definitely nothing "wrong" with what you're doing, but as you said, it's not exactly LG. Everyone is different though -- you might want to give the switch a try and see if it's for you or not!

  20. Better without breaking fast, I've tried both now. Just use bcaa/eaa until 1pm.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Red Dog View Post
    I think you might be foregoing some of the physiological benefits of fasting for 16 hours by eating that small meal post-workout. If you could switch that out for some BCAAs and make 1PM your first true meal you would be good to go.

    There's definitely nothing "wrong" with what you're doing, but as you said, it's not exactly LG. Everyone is different though -- you might want to give the switch a try and see if it's for you or not!
    Thank for responding guys. I will def do this as it would be my preference. Can't wait to do this thing right!!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by T50 View Post
    For sure, was just thinking about those as starting points.
    Yah sounds good to me, the finishing points will be more interesting though, let us know what you come up with.... I will be keeping track once I am in lean bulk as well...

  23. Quote Originally Posted by jontrainer View Post
    Thank for responding guys. I will def do this as it would be my preference. Can't wait to do this thing right!!
    There is a noticeable difference in results IMO.

    I've taken to using HumaPro by ALRI and Gear by NTBM both pre and post workout (1 scoop HumaPro, 4 caps Gear both pre/post) to keep muscle protein synthesis active and stave off catabolism. While for acute anabolism only 24hr protein consumption REALLY matters, I like to think the BCAA/EAA gives me a little bit extra for growth while keeping lipolysis up.
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  25. I decided f it! Starting my first day today. Stopped eating at around 10 last night and will be fasting till approximately 1230 today. Already had roughly ten G's of xtend. Thanks for the answers guys!

    Today is a workout day for me, my Cal's are maybe a little low at 2400 but my macros are at 227g protein, 223g Carb, and 55g fat

    Not quite sure what I'm going to do yet for my cardio days. But ultimately my goal is cutting

    Do I have a good start?

  26. Surprisingly I'm not dying of hunger. bcaa must be helping

  27. How much do you weigh? Body fat % can't really say anything without knowing those.
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  28. 205 and guessing 16-17%

  29. Quote Originally Posted by FlawedGrunt View Post
    I decided f it! Starting my first day today. Stopped eating at around 10 last night and will be fasting till approximately 1230 today. Already had roughly ten G's of xtend. Thanks for the answers guys!

    Today is a workout day for me, my Cal's are maybe a little low at 2400 but my macros are at 227g protein, 223g Carb, and 55g fat

    Not quite sure what I'm going to do yet for my cardio days. But ultimately my goal is cutting

    Do I have a good start?
    See if you can keep fasting until 2PM so that it's 16hrs of fasting. A more regular cadence people seem to fall into is 12PM-8PM for feeding, the rest is fasting. It works best if you eat something with staying power at 8PM (protein and fat, preferably casein, something like XF UP2.0 for example with whole food/fiber).

    Calories are hard to say not knowing what your resting metabolic rate is and how much exercise you do. If you're goal is cutting, you can be lower on your off/cardio days by 20% below maintenance. Workout days shoot for 20% over, but again cutting you might want to drop that or keep it at maintenance.

    Personal preference, I'd increase protein and reduce carbs. I drop weight a lot better when I restrict carbs. Also, protein will help you feel fuller, longer.

    As you keep doing it, adjust calories until you're getting the desired results. At 16-17% bf you should be able to keep calories around maintenance or below maintenance 20-30% IMO.
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    See if you can keep fasting until 2PM so that it's 16hrs of fasting. A more regular cadence people seem to fall into is 12PM-8PM for feeding, the rest is fasting. It works best if you eat something with staying power at 8PM (protein and fat, preferably casein, something like XF UP2.0 for example with whole food/fiber).

    Calories are hard to say not knowing what your resting metabolic rate is and how much exercise you do. If you're goal is cutting, you can be lower on your off/cardio days by 20% below maintenance. Workout days shoot for 20% over, but again cutting you might want to drop that or keep it at maintenance.

    Personal preference, I'd increase protein and reduce carbs. I drop weight a lot better when I restrict carbs. Also, protein will help you feel fuller, longer.

    As you keep doing it, adjust calories until you're getting the desired results. At 16-17% bf you should be able to keep calories around maintenance or below maintenance 20-30% IMO.
    I am still way new at this, but based on what I have been reading and what I see others doing with e****lent results, this looks spot on to me, Kleen seems to be our resident Lean Gains & Intermiten Fasting Guru, in for what he has to say!
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