The Lean Gains / IF learning and Discussion Log

[tyga tyga]

Just passed, took 2nd in novice lw (176 1/4 & under)

Rebound time for some serious LBM, then transition to a recomp til prep (28 weeks from now)

Im using 19/5 fast/window for preping for a show mid october.. good or bad idea? Im making some nice progress.. i juat FEEL flat.

[EasyEJL]

So, what you're saying is on something AAS related, a large influx of calories on build days works wonders for lean mass? Or the other way around

I'm definitely gaining WAY more mass and its lean on the same calories with a decent dosing of AAS vs the same eating and no AAS. It was going from staying more or less at maintenance weight to gaining 2+lbs a week with same intake. The great part is at this point i'm up 10lbs with noticeably tighter sleeves + shirt at the chest, and not a noticeable change at the waist. feeling heavy at over 220 though, I guess i'm getting old

What percentage over maintenance are you on weight vs non weight days? Are you 16/8

eh the % vary, i'm not that anal about it. mostly try to enjoy life, which IF is great for. Probably right now i'm at -10 on burn days and +40 build days, at the start of the changeover I was maintaining at around -20 burn days + 10 build and started with gaining about 2lbs in the first week on the anabolics.

usually its 16/8 or 17/7, but occasionally i'm having a blowout day and its more like 12/12. Only have that once every 2-3 weeks. I figure stressing over any detail too much ends up with more muscle loss and less fat gain due to cortisol than i'm likely to get from whatever minute detail being perfect

[EasyEJL]

Im using 19/5 fast/window for preping for a show mid october.. good or bad idea? Im making some nice progress.. i juat FEEL flat.

there doesn't seem to be any evidence that a longer fast helps significantly more. Thats not to say it doesn't, just there isn't any evidence that it does.

[Rucksdaddy]

Just passed, took 2nd in novice lw (176 1/4 & under)

Rebound time for some serious LBM, then transition to a recomp til prep (28 weeks from now)

Congratulations. Nice to see that IF worked for you. I started it back up and I feel fantastic on it.

Do you do the 16/8?

APPNUT

[Distilled Water]

I'm definitely gaining WAY more mass and its lean on the same calories with a decent dosing of AAS vs the same eating and no AAS. It was going from staying more or less at maintenance weight to gaining 2+lbs a week with same intake. The great part is at this point i'm up 10lbs with noticeably tighter sleeves + shirt at the chest, and not a noticeable change at the waist. feeling heavy at over 220 though, I guess i'm getting old
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Oh ok, gotcha. That's good to know for future plans.

Im using 19/5 fast/window for preping for a show mid october.. good or bad idea? Im making some nice progress.. i juat FEEL flat.

Good luck man, I am new to IF. If its working I'd stick with it. Maybe change to a regular diet 2 weeks out for depletion & workout purposes.

Congratulations. Nice to see that IF worked for you. I started it back up and I feel fantastic on it.

Do you do the 16/8?

APPNUT

I'm just starting IF. Used a 6 meal approach for my prep but I will be doing the 16/8 for this 28 week period. If it treats me well, I'll try it with my next prep also.

[jewgold]

Don't know if this has been discussed cause its kind of shi**y

But when I Eat my first meal to break my fast I end up having a pretty big sized bowel movement 30ish minutes later.....I feel like all the food that was in my body got sent away to make room for the new food...

[mkretz]

[QUOTE=EasyEJL;3569093]I'm definitely gaining WAY more mass and its lean on the same calories with a decent dosing of AAS vs the same eating and no AAS. It was going from staying more or less at maintenance weight to gaining 2+lbs a week with same intake. The great part is at this point i'm up 10lbs with noticeably tighter sleeves + shirt at the chest, and not a noticeable change at the waist. feeling heavy at over 220 though, I guess i'm getting old [QUOTE]

its almost like the aas let your body take advantage of all the calories coming in at once......

[Ninjo]

its almost like the aas let your body take advantage of all the calories coming in at once......

This makes me wonder how combining IF with an SD pulse (workout days) would work...been doing IF for a few months now and considering this in the fall. I've never done SD though....thoughts?

[carpee]

This makes me wonder how combining IF with an SD pulse (workout days) would work...been doing IF for a few months now and considering this in the fall. I've never done SD though....thoughts?

I'd follow that log

you'd recomp like a mofo

[dallasboy22]

This makes me wonder how combining IF with an SD pulse (workout days) would work...been doing IF for a few months now and considering this in the fall. I've never done SD though....thoughts?

Sounds interesting. What dose and how long?

[HokiePride]

Its amazing how this eating lifestyle counters everything we have been told for 30 years.

No doubt!

[Ninjo]

Sounds interesting. What dose and how long?

Was thinking six weeks at 10mg pre and 10mg post...don't know that i'd want to go any higher as it would be my first time using SD

[carpee]

i would just do 6 weeks at 5-10mg every day instead of pulsing.

I felt amazing even at 5 mg

[Ninjo]

i would just do 6 weeks at 5-10mg every day instead of pulsing.

I felt amazing even at 5 mg

What kind of gains did u make on 5mg/day? How much did u keep post-cycle?

[carpee]

What kind of gains did u make on 5mg/day? How much did u keep post-cycle?

I ran a low dosed sd to epi bridge.

I felt great on sd at 5 and 10 mg, and kept it all post cycle.

sd- 5/5/10/10
epi- 30//40/40/40 *

I believe that was my layout. I was recomping. I would like recomp on sd at 6 weeks low dosed

[LizKing531]

Sounds interesting. What dose and how long?

beat me to it - this does sound intriguing

[Distilled Water]

Don't think it's been covered, Intra workout shakes? 2 meals pre workout, does this pose any problems?

[tyga tyga]

Don't think it's been covered, Intra workout shakes? 2 meals pre workout, does this pose any problems?

Nope. If you workout between meals i think you eat two meals ( of 20-25% RDI) then eat the rest post workout. ... guess that didnt really anwser your question about the intra drinks... O_o

[huggy77]

Don't think it's been covered, Intra workout shakes? 2 meals pre workout, does this pose any problems?

I think it depends on the trainee... Lots of peeps train fasted, others snag a meal before training.... I grab a shake and serving of oatmeal about 2 hours before i train. I might try training fasted next week on shoulder day just for ****s and giggles though.....

[Ninjo]

I never thought I could train fasted until I got on IF but now I'm loving it! Been using Wendler's 5/3/1 strength program and am finding the combo of a 16/8 IF protocol and 5/3/1 is working great for me.