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  1. Quote Originally Posted by rojasdave View Post
    I work at 7AM and my last meal of the day is around 8PM. MY breaks at work vary and I want to try this diet, but I am not sure how to go about it. Wake up at 6, Take 10G bcaa and ALCAR with dexaprine and then i usually work from 7am to 4pm so should I not eat that whole time, then hit the gym around 430 and THEN have my first meal post workout around 630? Seems like ill have very little calorie intake, and how could I get my protein in? Is a shake in the morning or throughout the day okay?
    Eat 20% of daily calories at 1-2PM, shake or otherwise. I personally prefer whole food though, helps with hunger.
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  2. I'm working so hard at funding my BMR and rmr and counting calories and doing this and that, I hope it pays off
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  3. Hey just got this email. Thought it would apply:

    My mom sent me a text the other day about a study out of the
    University of Utah (She's always looking out for me!). Apparently,
    according to this study, people who fast one day a month are
    40 percent less likely to be diagnosed with clogged arteries than those
    who did not regularly fast.

    Sounds like great news, especially if you are like me and fast
    6 to 8 times per month.

    Unfortunately, after looking over the study, I did a google
    search to see what the newswires were reporting and found
    some very disheartening news bytes.

    According to an article I found on Yahoo News, when asked to
    comment on the study a doctor from the Mayo
    Clinic (who was not involved in the study), stated "Fasting
    resets the metabolic rate".

    Now I'm not sure what this particular Doc meant by "resets", and he
    was probably speaking about long term fasting,
    but the author of the article on Yahoo News added these
    words after Doc's quote "slowing it down to adjust to
    less food and forcing the body to store calories as soon as
    people resume eating".
    These words cannot possibly be from the Doctor. They just can't
    be. There is no way I can accept that a doctor being interviewed
    about research would make such an incorrect statement, especially
    since it was in reference to a 24 hour fast.

    This begs the question, why is the mainstream media so
    afraid to tell people to eat less? Why is it that when research
    on the benefit of brief periods of fasting comes out, people
    have to comment on the dangers of long term chronic fasting.
    Instead of just explaining that as little as one 24 hour fast
    per month can reduce your chances of being diagnosed with
    clogged arteries, they have to start digging to find something,
    (completely unrelated to the study), so they can throw some
    negative comments into the fray.

    If you've read Eat Stop Eat, you know that metabolism does
    not decrease during brief fasting. This has been found in lean and
    obese people, men and women, adults and children. The research
    is really very strong in this area! In fact, evidence suggests that
    your metabolism may even go UP during a fast!

    I know it will be an up hill battle, but my goal is to make
    the use of brief periods of fasting a respected and established
    method of weight control...because it is easy and because it
    works.

    RECOVERBRO



  4. ^^^Looks like second hand, non-sourced garbage to me.

    Find that study from Utah - that'd be worth discussing. MDs typically know jack about nutrition, so the opinion of one doc means nothing.
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  5. yah I signed up for e-mails from this. After I went to the lean gains site. Im looking inot this more later today. Just thought id share

    RECOVERBRO


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  6. that would be better known as spam for selling diet plans

  7. LOL. Yeah well Im not into there diet plans. Some info I receive IS useful.

    From what I was just reading. I guess Its a mormon practice.

    There was actually an article about it in the New York Times last month
    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0...-heart-health/

    RECOVERBRO



  8. Quote Originally Posted by JoHNnyNuTZ View Post
    LOL. Yeah well Im not into there diet plans. Some info I receive IS useful.

    From what I was just reading. I guess Its a mormon practice.

    There was actually an article about it in the New York Times last month
    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0...-heart-health/
    Lots of religions encourage occasional fasting, not just Mormons. People have this strange idea that changes to your body/metabolism are made in incredibly short time periods and it's just not true. Long term habits change your body for good or bad.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by JohnRock View Post
    Lots of religions encourage occasional fasting, not just Mormons. People have this strange idea that changes to your body/metabolism are made in incredibly short time periods and it's just not true. Long term habits change your body for good or bad.
    I should have corrected my reply. The study was done on mormons.

    But yeah I here ya. Long term change.

    RECOVERBRO



  10. Did they have to do it in special underwear?

  11. mormons do practice fasting. they fast on the first sunday of every month for the first 2 meals and the belief is that the money that would've been spent on those meals will go to help those that are less fortunate. so essentially they fast for 24 hours once a month with dinner the night before being the last meal until dinner the next night. they also fast in times of blessings (i.e. upcoming surgery, onset of severe medical conditions)

  12. Hey kleen thanks for the invite. I don't have a ton to add as I didn't read through the thread but Martins system of fasting is fantastic for most people. I only use it while dieting as I have throuble eating enough to bulk in the window. But when cutting it takes away hunger pain and its so much better to feel full a few times a day than not. So I eat 2 big meals when cutting.

    Martins info along with Alan aragon and jcd fitness all broke me of the eat clean BS. I love pancakes, fried noodles, ect and work then in my diet year around. Especially after workouts I kill 200+ carbs of pancakes or noodles and a shake.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by ZamaMan View Post
    Hey kleen thanks for the invite. I don't have a ton to add as I didn't read through the thread but Martins system of fasting is fantastic for most people. I only use it while dieting as I have throuble eating enough to bulk in the window. But when cutting it takes away hunger pain and its so much better to feel full a few times a day than not. So I eat 2 big meals when cutting.

    Martins info along with Alan aragon and jcd fitness all broke me of the eat clean BS. I love pancakes, fried noodles, ect and work then in my diet year around. Especially after workouts I kill 200+ carbs of pancakes or noodles and a shake.

    I agree with you 100%. I fell into the whole idea that you have to eat 6 small clean meals a day when cutting to see results, but IF and Lean Gains has shown that is entirely false. During a traditional cut, I'm hungry the entire day even after a meal, vs. feeling full after breaking my fast on IF and my body adjusts to the fasting period so I don't feel super hungry too. The leniency in the diet is great too. I've dropped 4% BF in a little over a month, and I've enjoyed my share of Pizza and burgers and the like!!

    A win win if you ask me!
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  14. Any idea on how the shift in ghrelin affects GH pulses? Is it better or worse for GH release?

    I was thinking of doing cjc-1295 DAC in the evenings (500mcg EOD) and Ipamorelin (150mcg ED) in the evenings and mornings to take advantage of the fasting times, and get a big GH boost. Thoughts?
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  15. I'm gonna throw this in on non training days maybe on training days too so i can gradually get myself to 16 hours. I love eating but i'm willing to do what it takes to be more efficient and get better results
    I hope everybody thinks i'm crazy, because you cannot be a sane person and go through the type of pain i am willing to put myself through to be where i want to be, Once I completely win the war between my mind and body, my reign will begin. ~Me

  16. Try Dexaprine from iForce. That knocked my appetite out like nothing else. Transform Burner is another great one for appetite control. ECA also works there too.

    Best of luck!
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  17. Honestly I'm finding the fasting period incredibly easy to get through - except Saturday, I got really nauseous. I won't pass any assessment with the diet so far, but one thing that's for sure is it's helping me lean out. I don't think it has anything to do with fasting as much as it does having all my meals at the end of the day. It allows me to feel full after eating less, so I can have a steeper deficit (on off days) than I usually do without much effort. I'm only somewhat concerned about eating anything in the A.M. the morning after working out (during recovery). I'll wait and see how things go.

  18. New article up at LeanGains.com -- Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Muscle Growth: Promising Potential!

    It's mainly a review of recent research regarding the effects of Omega-3s on overall health, body composition, leucine resistance, and muscle protein synthesis -- looks like it might be worth the cash to get a quality EPA/DHA supplement.

    Definitely worth a read you guys!

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Try Dexaprine from iForce. That knocked my appetite out like nothing else. Transform Burner is another great one for appetite control. ECA also works there too.

    Best of luck!
    Thanks! I actually didn't think about an appetite suppressor
    I hope everybody thinks i'm crazy, because you cannot be a sane person and go through the type of pain i am willing to put myself through to be where i want to be, Once I completely win the war between my mind and body, my reign will begin. ~Me

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Red Dog View Post
    New article up at LeanGains.com -- Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Muscle Growth: Promising Potential!

    It's mainly a review of recent research regarding the effects of Omega-3s on overall health, body composition, leucine resistance, and muscle protein synthesis -- looks like it might be worth the cash to get a quality EPA/DHA supplement.

    Definitely worth a read you guys!
    Thanks for posting that! A good read for sure!
    Recoverbro Elite
    "This is what we've been working on"

  21. Quote Originally Posted by thetinyguy View Post
    Thanks! I actually didn't think about an appetite suppressor
    Yeah the new iForce product is freaking ridiculous to be honest, never had anything that strong before. On an off day, I could see it pushing your fast up to 2-3 PM before you break it, giving more fat loss.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  22. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Yeah the new iForce product is freaking ridiculous to be honest, never had anything that strong before. On an off day, I could see it pushing your fast up to 2-3 PM before you break it, giving more fat loss.
    Not to mention the 3,3 and 3,5 T2 in it to keep metabolism stoked!

    However, I don't buy the exrta protein synthesis, that's a characteristic of T3, I havne't seen anything supporting the uncoupling proteins in T2 use...
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  23. How do you guys feel about using the I/F way of eating with PH's and/or AAS?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by houstontexas View Post
    How do you guys feel about using the I/F way of eating with PH's and/or AAS?
    I can't speak for injectibles or anything like that, but with PH's, I'd probably do a pulse.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by houstontexas View Post
    How do you guys feel about using the I/F way of eating with PH's and/or AAS?
    Good as long as you can get the amount of protein and calories in that you need. Personally, I have no problem busting my calorie target in the 8hrs, but that's just me. I think if you can do that, it would actually be more favorable IMO.

    Kleen is running the new Taurus Nutrition Progestin while using IF, so his experience will be telling. I don't know if anyone has tried it honestly...
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