The Lean Gains / IF learning and Discussion Log

[JudgementDay]

This LeanGain diet looks really interesting, just started Day 1 on it today If anyone wants to come check out my log just send me a pm and I'll link it to ya.

[Blacktail]

lol. actually its italian/french, but yeah hes tough.

you'd be surprised at the energy level you have during the fast.

Naw I've tried it. Doesn't cut it for me. I like the idea but I am far stronger/faster and am able to work harder when I eat in the mornings. It works ok on off days for me though. I am planning on a career change so I am going to try it whilst doing a less demanding job. Glad its working for your bro though. Reminds me of my bro in law although his refeed after fasted working is a 6 pack and a potato or two lol.....Irish 7 course meal.

[Folkmetalhead]

Has anyone done IF while on cycle? Would be nice to see results..

[soontobbeast]

Naw I've tried it. Doesn't cut it for me. I like the idea but I am far stronger/faster and am able to work harder when I eat in the mornings. It works ok on off days for me though. I am planning on a career change so I am going to try it whilst doing a less demanding job. Glad its working for your bro though. Reminds me of my bro in law although his refeed after fasted working is a 6 pack and a potato or two lol.....Irish 7 course meal.

i literally have more energy while im fasted.

for example i just jogged two miles straight. i felt amazing afterwards. not winded at all. i just walked to my car like nothing happened lol. didnt have to take any deep breaths or anything

thats completely unprecedented for me....since i smoked herb for like 4 years and cigs for a year just recently lol.

[EasyEJL]

ugh, I ended eating a bit early yesterday (total window was from 1-7) and i'm dying right now of hunger. Still gotta make it till 11 at least yuck

[soontobbeast]

ugh, I ended eating a bit early yesterday (total window was from 1-7) and i'm dying right now of hunger. Still gotta make it till 11 at least yuck

i hear ya. im starting to get hungry.....its 8 30 and i gotta make it till 5pm wtf!

that run musta burned through all my glycogen.


thats why i NEVER DO cardio during the fed state......and almost never do heavy cardio in the morning.....but im still super happy about my run. even if im gonna be in pain for several hours lol

[JohnRock]

Your body DOES adjust to training fasted. Most of it is mental. It just takes a little time. I just burnt 775 calories flipping a tractor tire, doing box jumps, swinging my sledge hammer and all kinds of other crap for 35 minutes this morning and now I'm enjoying some delicious nonfat sherbet ice cream. Take THAT, dieters!

[SouthernLord]

To you guys struggling with hunger....

How much water are you consuming? When I feel hungry a big glass of water usually blunts the feeling.

Diet soda works well too.

[EasyEJL]

Ive gone through almost a quart of coffee plus 16 oz or so of water this morning (over the last 2 hours) and i'm dying. But whatever, I can live with it, I just hate it and like to complain. I never really understood it when people can't stop themselves from eating due to hunger, or when bulking they can't manage to eat more because they aren't hungry. Eating is a job, it only gets to be for pleasure occasionally.

[DreamWeaver]

To you guys struggling with hunger....

How much water are you consuming? When I feel hungry a big glass of water usually blunts the feeling.

Diet soda works well too.

Right now around 4 litres ed, more when it starts heating up... I always have a litre on hand...

[MrKleen73]

Has anyone done IF while on cycle? Would be nice to see results..

Plenty of people, ZamaMan who is not in this thread has done it a few times. I am going to be running a beta log for a progestin here very soon. However honestly all you need to know is if something works well naturally it will be amplified even better on cycle. It is the other way around that things fall apart. By that I mean you can't eat the way you can get away with on cycle when not on without adding some fat. However being on cycle is just going to increase the muscle gained, and fat lost. This is a more efficient way of eating for most people, which automatically increases the success rate. However it does not completely change the rules. Maintenance is still maintenance, eating for bulk is still increasing cals, cutting is still cutting cals and recomp is still eating an average of your maintenance through out the week.

ugh, I ended eating a bit early yesterday (total window was from 1-7) and i'm dying right now of hunger. Still gotta make it till 11 at least yuck

SUCK IT UP!!!! LOL No really the closer you keep your times the better of you are regarding when the ghrelin is released around the times of your feedings. Also eating sugary things makes you feel hungrier the next day. So as much as you enjoyed the ice cream last night you have to pay for it today with additional hunger.

I do still get my hunger pains every once in a while but now I know it is only going to be a few minutes and it is gone. Just don't focus on the hunger. Find something else to do and before you know it you won't be hungry anymore.

i hear ya. im starting to get hungry.....its 8 30 and i gotta make it till 5pm wtf!

that run musta burned through all my glycogen.


thats why i NEVER DO cardio during the fed state......and almost never do heavy cardio in the morning.....but im still super happy about my run. even if im gonna be in pain for several hours lol

I doubt you will be in pain unless you focus on the hunger. Just like I mentioned above just find something to do. Also try drinking a large glass of water, or chewing some gum. The chewing motion does something to satiate the hunger. I am not exactly sure what the machanism is behind this but it definitely helps. Also keep some broccoli or celery around for when it gets too bad. Basically water vitamins and fiber. However will fill that hole in your gut up temporarily.

Your body DOES adjust to training fasted. Most of it is mental. It just takes a little time. I just burnt 775 calories flipping a tractor tire, doing box jumps, swinging my sledge hammer and all kinds of other crap for 35 minutes this morning and now I'm enjoying some delicious nonfat sherbet ice cream. Take THAT, dieters!

HAHA Love it. Nice workout too!

Ive gone through almost a quart of coffee plus 16 oz or so of water this morning (over the last 2 hours) and i'm dying. But whatever, I can live with it, I just hate it and like to complain. I never really understood it when people can't stop themselves from eating due to hunger, or when bulking they can't manage to eat more because they aren't hungry. Eating is a job, it only gets to be for pleasure occasionally.

Sometime the coffee can make you feel hungrier, especially if you use artificial sweeteners. They still have an effect on insulin levels. Also 16 oz of water in two hours is that all? Get with the program man! Just fuggin with ya.

Right now around 4 litres ed, more when it starts heating up... I always have a litre on hand...

Yeah I try to get in no less than a gallon a day. Speaking of it is about time for me to get myself some more water.

[RickRock13]

Ive gone through almost a quart of coffee plus 16 oz or so of water this morning (over the last 2 hours) and i'm dying. But whatever, I can live with it, I just hate it and like to complain. I never really understood it when people can't stop themselves from eating due to hunger, or when bulking they can't manage to eat more because they aren't hungry. Eating is a job, it only gets to be for pleasure occasionally.

Eating is definetely a job. Our bodies like to eat at maintenance level it seems, and for the most part we all here are trying to change our bodies and not maintain it, so its always either feeling so stuffed from all the food we are eating or feeling a little starved all the time that we must get used to. IF has made it a little easier I believe, but its still a job that needs to fill your macro and calorie requirements for that day

[MrKleen73]

Eating is definetely a job. Our bodies like to eat at maintenance level it seems, and for the most part we all here are trying to change our bodies and not maintain it, so its always either feeling so stuffed from all the food we are eating or feeling a little starved all the time that we must get used to. IF has made it a little easier I believe, but its still a job that needs to fill your macro and calorie requirements for that day

Unfortunately for me I don't typically have to feel stuffed to gain weight. I gain VERY EASILY! Mine is always a fight to recomp or cut...

[DreamWeaver]

Unfortunately for me I don't typically have to feel stuffed to gain weight. I gain VERY EASILY! Mine is always a fight to recomp or cut...

Ditto... I just love the fact that I have a gorge comming on after my workout, and what this diet lets me get away with.

[MrKleen73]

Ditto... I just love the fact that I have a gorge comming on after my workout, and what this diet lets me get away with.

No doubt I just consumed almost 1500 in one meal which is unheard of granted this time around it was all clean but it is really nice to have options.

[Folkmetalhead]

Looks like im starting IF tomorrow, this will be atleast 60 day ride.. I aint counting fishoil in btw, which i get atleast 10g daily.

Diet will be like this on training days:
Before wo:
15g of BCAA
After wo:
400g lean meat
3dl whole grain pasta
400g tomato sauce
Whole grain baguette (About 175-200g)
"Snack":
1kg quark
500g pineapple
Last meal:
400g cottage cheese
15g of EVOO
45g of dark cacao
3100kcals, 280p, 290h and 85f

On offdays:
Fastbreak:
5 eggs
200g not so lean meat
400g sweet potato
"Snack":
500g quark
Last meal:
400g of cottage cheese
15g of EVOO
1800kcals, 190p, 100h, 65f.

Training will be 4-day split Legs+Rear Delts/Chest&Tri&Calves/Back&Bis/Delts&Calves..

I will also add PLP challenge from t-nation (Chad Waterbury) which is 10x some push-up, pull-up and lunge variation daily while you add 1 more rep everyday. I have heard so much good stuff from this and seen result from my buddy and i guess i don't have nothing to lose so.. I'll be doing elevated push-ups, chins and forward lunges for this.

So any suggestions considering diet? Oh and i will be changing foods from time to time, but macros will be staying about same..

[MrKleen73]

Looks pretty good to me man. Very close to my numbers actually.

[Milas]

What is quark?

[Folkmetalhead]

Stuff made from milk.. Something like sour cream, but taste and texture is different.
100g of it has 57kcals, 9.8 p, 4.1h and 0.2f (Differs little bit by who makes it).

[believer]

I seem to, sadly, be an exception to this. I found LG about 2 months back and went on, strict, for 1 month. Lost weight, sure, but it was mostly muscle. Can't figure this out since my calorie target was 3000 every day. Quickly re-gained what I had lost when I went to a more traditional diet approach. Too bad. I was hoping this would get me leaner for summer.

Congratulations to DW and Kleen. Glad it works so well for you.