how can I boost my LH levels?

[mkretz]

I have very low LH levels which is also causing very low T levels. I have heard of taking Tribulus but that this can also increase estrogen levels.

Are tehre any natural ways?

What if I took tribulus with a product liek inhibit E to keep the estrogen down?

 

[bikeswimlive]

I believe Primordial's Toco 8 is supposed to work well for this.

 

[Rosie Chee]

I have very low LH levels which is also causing very low T levels. I have heard of taking Tribulus but that this can also increase estrogen levels.

Are tehre any natural ways?

What if I took tribulus with a product liek inhibit E to keep the estrogen down?

Adam is correct - Toco-8 sensitizes the testes to the effects of Lutelizing Hormone and Follicle Stimulating Hormone, which can help with increasing Testosterone.

However, you need to INcrease your Lutelizing Hormone as well - Lutelizing Hormone releasers include:
* HCG
* Forskolin at 50 mg/day of 100% extract (or equivalent lower dosage with lower extract) increases cAMP better than anything else available, thereby increasing lutelizing hormone secretion.
* Resveratrol is a decent choice at 750 mg/day of the 100% extract for increasing cAMP, which in turn increases Lutelizing Hormone secretion

Studies over Tribulus are conflicted and the research points more towards it having little effect on Lutelizing Hormone and Testosterone levels, so I would go with something else.

~Rosie~

 

[rulk22]

Good to know about the forskolin and resveratrol. I could use this info, thanks Rosie.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

I'm surprised you guys didn't mention DAA. It raises LH levels a lot.

 

[Rosie Chee]

Good to know about the forskolin and resveratrol. I could use this info, thanks Rosie.

No worries

 

[mkretz]

thans alot rosie....i see u all over these boards always giving out great advice i appreciate it, thanks alot ....reps

im just worried cuz they wanna put me on TRT cuz my LH levels are so low which is making my T almost nonexistent and i jsut dont wanna do it i dont want to become infirtile and i just want to do it naturally if i can...i mean, im only 20

 

[Rosie Chee]

thans alot rosie....i see u all over these boards always giving out great advice i appreciate it, thanks alot ....reps

im just worried cuz they wanna put me on TRT cuz my LH levels are so low which is making my T almost nonexistent and i jsut dont wanna do it i dont want to become infirtile and i just want to do it naturally if i can...i mean, im only 20

You're welcome - I'm only here to help out

Re the TRT, that is something you and your medical professionals will have to discuss (everyone knows that I am the last person likely to take the advice of a doctor and are of the opinion that more often than not they have no idea what they're talking about, regardless of their so called degrees and status) to make sure you know ALL about it, the ins and outs, pros and cons. If you don't have to do it, then for sure, I say no, and you can always try natural methods first before resorting to such drastic measures as TRT. Sounds like you need to do a lot more research and try a few things.

~Rosie~

 

[mkretz]

anythign u would recommend?

 

[nhinkley]

I'd take DAA with a natural AI.

 

[mkretz]

what woudl be a natural AI.........i have novadex xt, but ive heard bad things coming from that, what about inhibit E i also have that layin around

 

[Rosie Chee]

anythign u would recommend?

Try something that contains Forskolin and/or Resveratrol.

A product that contains both Forskolin and resveratrol and covers all your bases re increasing cAMP levels, Lutelizing Hormone levels, total and free Testosterone is FREE TEST - this is actually the product I would recommend if you were going to just just ONE.

Some information on FREE TEST:

free and total testosterone output:

* Contains a natural suicide inhibitor of aromatase, and will improve the Testosterone : Estrogen (T:E) profile while concurrently increasing testosterone levels
* Increases NO/cGMP levels, which leads to increases in lutenizing hormone (LH) and greater endogenous testosterone production.
* Increases testicular Acetyl L-Carnitine (ALCAR) levels. High testicular ALCAR levels are conducive to heightened spermatogenesis.
* Lowers levels of cytokines IL-6, IL-1, and TNF-alpha- cytokines, which inhibit endogenous testosterone production by reducing levels of LH.
* Lowers cortisol levels and heightens Testosterone : Cortisol (T:C) ratio via competitive inhibition processes.
* Increases cAMP levels, which also increase LH levels.
* Influences/Increases androgen receptor (AR) binding via altering receptor electro-negativity.

what woudl be a natural AI.........i have novadex xt, but ive heard bad things coming from that, what about inhibit E i also have that layin around

* 6,7 benzoflavone might be a good choice, as it antagonizes the estrogen receptor and can normalize the testosterone:estrogen ratio.
* Icariin at 250 mg/day of 100% extract (or equivalent lower dosage with lower extract) is a strong flavone that acts as both a SERM and a selective androgen receptor modulator (SARM) and antagonizes estrogen receptor, so in this case 500 mg of the 50%, 1,250/day of the 20%, etc. Icariin also inhibits PDE-5 and increases cGMP and therefore NOS and nitric oxide, allowing for increased lutelizing hormone secretion as well.
* ALCAR or L-Carnitine at 2-4 grams per day will work wonders to get things up and running.

~Rosie~

 

[mkretz]

wow thats alot of info, thanks alot, now can u give me some moeny to get this stuff? lol

 

[mkretz]

Is teh Icariin the same as horn goa weed or shoudl i get a sererate product?

 

[STPlover]

I dont see how taking forskin will help with any thing .. lol

 

[Rosie Chee]

wow thats alot of info, thanks alot, now can u give me some moeny to get this stuff? lol

No worries

Is teh Icariin the same as horn goa weed or shoudl i get a sererate product?

Epimedium which contains Icariin extract comes from Horny Goat Weed, so yes, they're "the same".

I dont see how taking forskin will help with any thing .. lol

As mentioned above: Forskolin at 50 mg/day of 100% extract (or equivalent lower dosage with lower extract) increases cAMP better than anything else available, thereby increasing lutelizing hormone secretion.

~Rosie~

 

[codered5]

Hey, I had a similar situation....I am 24 and had LH levels of 2.3 with total T of 360 and my urologist wanted to put me on TRT....I refused and he was a cool guy so we talked about options - long story short I went on hCG for 2 months, have been off it currently for 6 months and my LH is now 5...and that is after 3.5 years of struggling with low T. Now I will also add that I was adamant that my low T was caused by supplement use and I do not mean steroids, I was overusing energy powders. They do not know why this works for some people (hCG actually suppresses LH further while you are on it) but there are some people who can be "restarted" from using a drug like this. However, I will add that it is likely important that I was young (like you) and that I was convinced that my T problems stemmed from supplement use. I do not know your specific situation but I agree, if there is a natural way, try to find it.

One more thing to add - eventually you will figure this out, if this ends up being a long journey for you, that going on TRT is by far the lesser of two evils (if there is no other option)...using TRT to help you feel happy and horny (haha) will leave you sleeping better at the end of the day rather than live with yourself if you can't naturally produce enough T.

 

[jgassen15]

These guys all have great suggestions, but if this isn't an isolated incidient due to toxicity, late-puberty, diet, or something like that, these things will increase your LH some, even to the point it is noticeable (at least in the libido department), but none of these things are something you would take forever. If you have some kind of pituitary pathology (which makes the most sense to me) once you discontinue any of these products your luetinizing hormone will drop back down. And if you truly have nearly non-existent Testosterone, none of these products will put you back into normal range consistently and long-term. I would highly, highly suggest continuing to consider and research TRT as it is really the only long-term solution. It sounds scary now, but you will feel infinitely better than you do having low T. I know it's a b*tch, but testosterone is an incredibly important hormone in the body and central nervous system and hey, there are guys creaming to get on TRT when they are older, I know that doesn't mean much now, but you'll be glad you corrected the problem in the future.

 

[jgassen15]

I've heard of people trying both Clomid and/or HCG therapy before taking the plunge to TRT. Both things should be discussed with your doc, and if you don't have a good one, make sure you find one. Also, just noticing you were talking about inhibit-e. If you dont' have adequate levels of Testosterone, you could be estrogen dominant, but since testosterone is converted to estrogen via aromatase, taking an AI isn't going to just pump you back up to regular testosterone levels. Now if you do try a product like DAA or something, you will most likely experience a noticeable increase in estrogen (bloat, possibly gyno, etc.) so taking an AI with that would be advised.

 

[mkretz]

Hey, I had a similar situation....I am 24 and had LH levels of 2.3 with total T of 360 and my urologist wanted to put me on TRT....I refused and he was a cool guy so we talked about options - long story short I went on hCG for 2 months, have been off it currently for 6 months and my LH is now 5...and that is after 3.5 years of struggling with low T. Now I will also add that I was adamant that my low T was caused by supplement use and I do not mean steroids, I was overusing energy powders. They do not know why this works for some people (hCG actually suppresses LH further while you are on it) but there are some people who can be "restarted" from using a drug like this. However, I will add that it is likely important that I was young (like you) and that I was convinced that my T problems stemmed from supplement use. I do not know your specific situation but I agree, if there is a natural way, try to find it.

One more thing to add - eventually you will figure this out, if this ends up being a long journey for you, that going on TRT is by far the lesser of two evils (if there is no other option)...using TRT to help you feel happy and horny (haha) will leave you sleeping better at the end of the day rather than live with yourself if you can't naturally produce enough T.

So are u saying that u had low lh because of alot of energy drinks and such, cuz I do take a lot of preworkouts....could that be a reason?

 

[codered5]

So are u saying that u had low lh because of alot of energy drinks and such, cuz I do take a lot of preworkouts....could that be a reason?

It could be a contributing factor, but everyone is different. I was using the pre workout energy powders, maximum dosage, sometimes more than once per day....I started having panic attacks, insomnia, heart palpitations and anxiety...so I stopped taking it and I never regained sexual function after that. About 2.5 years later I find out that my T was low. I had used to be the guy who could do it 5 times a day and at 21 that was all of a sudden gone..it was literally like a light switch was just flicked off. Like I said, I am MUCH better now the natural way, so if you have any of those symptoms please stop using those stupid supplements.

 

[mkretz]

ok so when u say ur better the natural way, what have u done/do you do?

 

[codered5]

ok so when u say ur better the natural way, what have u done/do you do?

I had my doctor give me hCG...he was not even familiar with the drug and I convinced him to research it.. he actually found out he had a couple of close friends who use it and sure enough the next week he was prescribing it to me. I took 400 iU E3D for 3 weeks, then he bumped it up to 500iU E3D for 3 weeks. I was not a strong responder, so he wanted to up my dosage to 600 iU but thanks to this board I knew that was not really a great idea and I was already having nipple pain from the estrogen conversion. I did 250 iU EOD for a final two weeks and then got off the hCG. No one knows why it works for some people, but my LH more than doubled a month off of the hCG and it has held steady for 6 months now. Natural testosterone production has gone up about 60 points as well....I am now trying to lose all the excess weight that I gained and going back to intense weight lifting to further my gains, which will hopefully help me even more. Matrix has been kind enough to point out some other issues with my blood work as well, such as low Vitamin D, which is directly related to low testosterone....I am trying to fill in the voids in my bloodwork with natural diet and vitamins.

 

[mkretz]

hmmm......well i knwo my vi D is good, i brought up HCG to the doc and he jstu said thats too expensive....... and i am only 21 i dont relaly ahve any money as is it, so he gave me androgel i do 5 g a day what u thinka bout that?

 

[delsolrob]

wow, some amazing information in this thread!

yeah, I love toco 8 and resveratrol! the transdermal delivery sysem used by SA really does the trick with resveratrol though!

 

[Rosie Chee]

wow, some amazing information in this thread!

yeah, I love toco 8 and resveratrol! the transdermal delivery sysem used by SA really does the trick with resveratrol though!

There is a lot to be sure

OP, did you ever end up trying/using anything? If yes, how did that work out for you?

~Rosie~

 

[mkretz]

i brought up HCG to my doc and he jsut shrugged it off, not srue y, maybe cuz its expaensive, but he put me on 5g daily of androgel...... been doin that for bout a week and a half now, nothing to speak of yet, i jsut hope this wasnt a bad choice.


Are there any ways to maximize the benefits of androgel and/or reduce negative effects that anyone knows of. Thanks

 

[codered5]

Is this a specialist doc or a GP? If this is a GP, I feel like you need out of that, although idk now that you have already started androgel. My GP was gonna give me androgel before trying ANYTHING else, so I told him to f*** off and I went to a urologist who came recommended bc he had dealt with hormones before. And yes, I called the GP back after my LH levels reset and pretty much told him he had no business dealing with anybody's hormones. If this is a good doctor, they would care about the fact that you want to do it the natural way. Sounds bad to me, but in my situation I was doing anything in my power to stay natural.

 

[mkretz]

he is an endocrinologist..............so can u tell me exactly what u did to get ur LH levels up.... cuz i woudl rather do it naturally as well because i jsut dont want the side effects

 

[codered5]

Mostly already mentioned above...but here is literally everything I did step by step

400 iU hCG E3D for 3 weeks
500 iU hCG E3D for 3 weeks
250 iU hCG EOD for 2 weeks
Went off hCG and had two months until I needed to test my blood levels
Began taking the following:
Fish Oil 3g a day
Men's multivitamin
50g of zinc at night before bed (I was taking this during the hCG as well to fight estrogen)
Continued my workouts, which were mostly cardio based for the first month
The last month before my blood tests, I decided to get into lifting again due to advice I had seen on here regarding an anabolic state.
Only did about 4-5 strength training workouts before the blood tests, my first real weight workouts in like a year or two....sure enough, when my blood tests came back, LH had gone from 2.3 pre hCG to 5.0.
Things aren't perfect, but much better, I have a natural amount of energy and don't feel tired much, I am actually making some strength gains in the gym, my erections are not 100% back to normal but quality is good, libido is still down a little, however, which is why the erections aren't 100%...sometimes I just don't have the desire but do it anyway for my girl....In my case, I also have the fortune (or misfortune depending on what way you look at it) of having some extra weight...so I am losing the weight now and I am assuming things will improve even more once I get down to my "perfect" weight

 

[mkretz]

only problem really is that i just dont have the moeny for hcg ive heard its quite expensive

 

[codered5]

It is probably comparable or less than androgel I am guessing. I only had to order two shipments for what I went through, I think each one was about $107.00. I think the second time it was cheaper too bc of some health care changes that have put a price ceiling on some drugs.....Idk if your situation is comparable to mine bc you have already started androgel, but let me tell you, $200 is nothing for getting your hormones back, I was blessed in every sense of the word.

By the way, I just want to reiterate for everyone who reads this thread, I was shut down by a Pre workout energy supplement so please be careful with how you use those, do not abuse them.

 

[mkretz]

thats another thign im interested in because i do take a good amt of pre workouts and have for a while......do u mind mentioning what pre workout it was? and maybe how much u used and how often?

 

[codered5]

It was NO-Xplode and I stacked it with Nitrix...I was taking the maximum 3 scoop dosage, sometimes twice daily...got to the point I felt I needed it all the time, started having anxiety, panic attacks, tremors, insomnia, etc. It was one of three things...it was either I was pumping way too much caffeine in my body, I had the old formulation that had aspartame in it and had some adrenal problems because of it, or it was tainted with something hormonal (while I was on it I experienced raging bacne and was hornier than I could ever imagine). And like I said...one day, light switch off. Just my best guesses at possibilities but I am 98% sure that this is what did it.

 

[mkretz]

does apartame have an effect on that stuff cuz i drink a decent amt of diet soda

 

[codered5]

It's possible, it's happened before to others...like I said, everyone is different, you would usually have to be having quite a few, however.

 

[ntornado]

It was NO-Xplode and I stacked it with Nitrix...I was taking the maximum 3 scoop dosage, sometimes twice daily...got to the point I felt I needed it all the time, started having anxiety, panic attacks, tremors, insomnia, etc. It was one of three things...it was either I was pumping way too much caffeine in my body, I had the old formulation that had aspartame in it and had some adrenal problems because of it, or it was tainted with something hormonal (while I was on it I experienced raging bacne and was hornier than I could ever imagine). And like I said...one day, light switch off. Just my best guesses at possibilities but I am 98% sure that this is what did it.

Man that is crazy. I wonder how many other people had the same problem by using those supps or have a problem now and don't even know it yet.

 

[mkretz]

im def gonna have to cut out aspartame....:-(

 

[laurahill]

Some generic medicines are increases the LH level.LH is the hormone that produce testosterone.generic medicines like viagra,silagra,kamagra etc are boost the LH and increase testosterone level.This medicines also helpful for restoring the normal testosterone levels in men.

 

[ambulldog]

Some generic medicines are increases the LH level.LH is the hormone that produce testosterone.generic medicines like viagra,silagra,kamagra etc are boost the LH and increase testosterone level.This medicines also helpful for restoring the normal testosterone levels in men.

please tell me you are joking with this post? please edit it yourself and just leave it blank. where could you have possibly read this? the only thing they increase well the main thing is MAN STIFFNESS