Paleo Diet

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Gamma View Post
    I think the rationale has something to do with the fact that protein is not stored by the body if it's not needed, and only about 4 oz a day are needed.

    So the rest of the protein has to be broken down for energy or for storage as fat, and that liberates the nitrogen which comes off as uric acid, which can cause gout and isn't generally good for you.

    There were other reasons too, metabolic ones, but I can't recall them at the moment.
    yes in a sedetary individual there is only a very small difference in protein thats broken down versus how much is re-synthesized. therefore the daily requirement for someone who doesnt exercise is very low. however for the active individual, protein breaks down at a much higher rate and to avoid a negative nitrogen balance (catabolism) we consume essential amino acids (protein). i mean this is a modified version of the paleo diet, for athletes. you can find more information on this at nutrition & metabolism journal, few good articles on there.

    nuts dont contain any omega 3 and all omega 6. for optimal health we require a 1:1 ratio of om3 to om6. in paleo diets nuts are usually consumed in moderation. grassfed beef contains 1:1, fish is usually loaded with om3.

    the doctor is on the right track, eliminating grains/sugars/dairy. for someone who doesnt exercise, 4 oz of meat is probably ok..with some fruit and a good amount of fat he can probably get to 2000 calories, which is enough for a non active person.


  2. I agree that the body maintains a certain level of protein for inclusion into the Amino Acid pool. In general, IIRC the average recommendation for protein replenishment for AA pool turnover is around 60-70gr/day for the average person. Not much, but it would be hard to reach that level with just 4oz of meat a day(say roughly 20-25gr). You would have to make sure that your other food selections where fairly well nourished with protein sources as well.

    As has been said, the active person with higher levels of stress and exercise would need a little more protein to offset catabolic and chemical reactions triggered by physical activity. Nice to hear your doc speaking about the diet in a logical sense though.
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  3. check out www.marksdailyapple.com, guy wrote a book about this and has a very active website. all kinds of stuff like recipes, vibrams, sprint workouts, enough paleo-friendly biochemistry to fill up a few books.

  4. Excellent!! Saved to favorites to read later....
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  5. Funny, but serious question. Is that why cavemen had ugly teeth, from lack of calcium? where does the calcium come from in this diet??
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by plenny View Post
    Funny, but serious question. Is that why cavemen had ugly teeth, from lack of calcium? where does the calcium come from in this diet??
    Broccoli, can salmon, leafy vegtables(kale has more calcium per oz then milk), Almonds(and a large assortment of other nuts) all have abundant amounts of calcium. No lack of it on the diet.....
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by plenny View Post
    Funny, but serious question. Is that why cavemen had ugly teeth, from lack of calcium? where does the calcium come from in this diet??
    No one knows what caveman teeth looked like. Those are just arts and drawings and stereotypical pictures. If they did have rotten teeth though, I'm sure it was due to lack of a toothbrush.

    Eggs, green beans, and broccoli all have sufficient amounts of calcium in them though.
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  8. this has peaked my interest, i did some reading on the paleo diet today and looks pretty simple to implement. i think i'm gonna give this a shot also.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by bigsexy74 View Post
    this has peaked my interest, i did some reading on the paleo diet today and looks pretty simple to implement. i think i'm gonna give this a shot also.
    Looking forward to hearing/seeing your progress on it bigsexy.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  10. those teeth were also used to chew a variety of rough wild berries/twigs, gnaw on bones. they didnt have a way to brush, besides eating vegetables that help keep your teeth clean. finally, teeth are somewhat vulnerable by design, enamel deteriorates over time leaving the tooth to rot.

    also, paleo diet is a little difficult in the first week. because of the rapid carb depletion you will feel what people call "low carb flu". body is just switching to oxidize more fats for energy. plus without grains there is no big fluctuation in blood sugar. make sure to cut grains entirely, it will ease the process.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    those teeth were also used to chew a variety of rough wild berries/twigs, gnaw on bones. they didnt have a way to brush, besides eating vegetables that help keep your teeth clean. finally, teeth are somewhat vulnerable by design, enamel deteriorates over time leaving the tooth to rot.

    also, paleo diet is a little difficult in the first week. because of the rapid carb depletion you will feel what people call "low carb flu". body is just switching to oxidize more fats for energy. plus without grains there is no big fluctuation in blood sugar. make sure to cut grains entirely, it will ease the process.
    The first 10 days or so are awful. I always feel lethargic and drag big time.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  12. i plan on cutting out all grains at once but wouldn't the carbs from the fruit(albeit not as many carbs) help the carb depletion? the menu plan i have laid out has fruit for 3 out the 6 meals and veggies in the last 3.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by bigsexy74 View Post
    i plan on cutting out all grains at once but wouldn't the carbs from the fruit(albeit not as many carbs) help the carb depletion? the menu plan i have laid out has fruit for 3 out the 6 meals and veggies in the last 3.
    Somewhat, but there's still a precipitous drop in carb consumption.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  14. i will be sitting at around 125g of carbs for the day. Too many or too little? I cannot find anything really definitive.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    those teeth were also used to chew a variety of rough wild berries/twigs, gnaw on bones. they didnt have a way to brush, besides eating vegetables that help keep your teeth clean. finally, teeth are somewhat vulnerable by design, enamel deteriorates over time leaving the tooth to rot.

    also, paleo diet is a little difficult in the first week. because of the rapid carb depletion you will feel what people call "low carb flu". body is just switching to oxidize more fats for energy. plus without grains there is no big fluctuation in blood sugar. make sure to cut grains entirely, it will ease the process.
    that is good to know. i am stocking up on food for my cut, and i have no problem cutting grains meat is always my favorite part of a meal, and i love fruits and veggies but i love cheese lol.. that will be a weak spot for me. lol
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by bigsexy74 View Post
    i will be sitting at around 125g of carbs for the day. Too many or too little? I cannot find anything really definitive.
    no thats good. the guy ive been reading (www.marksdailyapple.com) has a graph where he shows 150-180 as lean tissue maintenance. as long as they are not grains or processed sugars, carbs are alright.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by SouthernCharm View Post
    that is good to know. i am stocking up on food for my cut, and i have no problem cutting grains meat is always my favorite part of a meal, and i love fruits and veggies but i love cheese lol.. that will be a weak spot for me. lol
    yea cheese is not paleo, its actually the most acidic thing you can eat. its probably the food i miss the most. i used to devour muenster cheese. it was probably because i was always blazed too..hm so herb is not paleo?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    yea cheese is not paleo, its actually the most acidic thing you can eat. its probably the food i miss the most. i used to devour muenster cheese. it was probably because i was always blazed too..hm so herb is not paleo?
    I think it is, actually.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  19. hahaha true, i just always tend to want non paleo food if i burn

  20. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    hahaha true, i just always tend to want non paleo food if i burn
    Haha. One of the dudes I train with actually likes to eat broccoli and almonds while high.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    no thats good. the guy ive been reading (www.marksdailyapple.com) has a graph where he shows 150-180 as lean tissue maintenance. as long as they are not grains or processed sugars, carbs are alright.
    Seems he preaches a slight modification of paleo. The whole butter and bacon allowance throws me off from the other things I've read from Wolf and Cordain.
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  22. wow really surprised to see a paleo interest here. I first learned about it though a strength coach and then when I looked it up I found alot of references to it on crossfit sites. I bought the cordain book on paleo diet but yet to read it. Glad to hear about it again, I need to go dust that book off and give it a look though. Last time I was at barnes and noble I was looking though some raw foods and vegan cookbooks. I dont really subscribe to any of them but think to add some of their beliefs throughout your diet wouldnt be a bad idea. Not everymeal has to be cooked and not every meal contain animal products right..
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  23. i think the rule of thumb for vegetables for example is that they must be able to be eaten raw, but it doesnt have to be raw. so things like legumes (beans,etc) should be avoided.

    thats my understanding anyway.. but ive got a couple of questions so ill bump it. im strapped for cash or id be buying some books...


    - do you freeze fruit? I bought a lot and dont think ill eat it in a couple of days lol
    - what oils do you use? ive seen mixed reviews on peanut oils, but see that coconut and palm are used? am i correct there??

    theres a local produce grocery in my town and they sell locally grown and raised meats and produce and i was wondering if ground beef is ok, i mean like 93/7 lean beef for example

    and tubers are to be avoided unless its consumed around a workout right??
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    yea cheese is not paleo, its actually the most acidic thing you can eat. its probably the food i miss the most. i used to devour muenster cheese. it was probably because i was always blazed too..hm so herb is not paleo?
    well see ive decided to go no herb for the time im on paleo, and saving it for when im on keto cuz i know myself, if i get the munchies and wanna eat some cheese im GONNA lol


    so yeah i feel your pain.

    muenster, pepper jack... provolone... MMMMMMM


    FAWK! today is my first day of paleo lets not talk about cheese anymore
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by SouthernCharm View Post
    i think the rule of thumb for vegetables for example is that they must be able to be eaten raw, but it doesnt have to be raw. so things like legumes (beans,etc) should be avoided.

    thats my understanding anyway.. but ive got a couple of questions so ill bump it. im strapped for cash or id be buying some books...


    - do you freeze fruit? I bought a lot and dont think ill eat it in a couple of days lol
    - what oils do you use? ive seen mixed reviews on peanut oils, but see that coconut and palm are used? am i correct there??

    theres a local produce grocery in my town and they sell locally grown and raised meats and produce and i was wondering if ground beef is ok, i mean like 93/7 lean beef for example

    and tubers are to be avoided unless its consumed around a workout right??

    dont worry about freezing fruit, it will keep for a while in the fridge even if it starts looking a lil beat up. as long as its not moldy or weird color you are good.

    i use primarily coconut oil to eat and butter to cook with. anything with a good saturated fat profile is basically what you want. only vegetable oil allowed is olive oil, its polyunsaturated but has a ton of good qualities.

    ground beef is different anywhere you go. conventional ground beef isnt very applealing, mostly whole animal carcasses ground up. who knows whats in there and who knows how safe is the meat. if you go to Whole Foods, they have grass fed ground beef for like 6$ which is different, they take their grass fed chuck and other trimmings and ground that all up. big difference there.

    tubers are okay at different times of the day, unles you are low carbing. there isnt many issues with them and theyll help to keep your glycogen full.
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