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Ok, I get the majority of my protein from Whey powders. I have meat in my daily lunch and also cottage cheese as a snack. Is it bad for fat loss or overrall diet if I get the majortiy of my protein from powder?
Protein powder is a supplement. Therefore, it should just be a supplemental protein source. Get 80%+ of your protein from whole foods.Ok, I get the majority of my protein from Whey powders. I have meat in my daily lunch and also cottage cheese as a snack. Is it bad for fat loss or overrall diet if I get the majortiy of my protein from powder?
ohh, yes you can.. i beat my meat all the time.... before i cook it, that is!you cant beat meat.. no pun intended.
I have a monopoly on the Wanderlei nut-hugging here.On a cut right now, 50% from meat(tuna, chicken and beef) and 50% from WPI............not a big deal.
I'm about to buy 25lbs of ATW WPI @ $155, which is one helluva a deal, I'm trying to save money and other than tuna(only low fat protein, others are cornish hens and beef patties) the WPI is the only other source that's easy to ingest.I have a monopoly on the Wanderlei nut-hugging here.
Also, WPI digests quickly and leads to acidosis which can cause a negative nitrogen balance. Not ideal for a cut; mix it with casein or egg powder for a longer supply of AAs.
You could also add in calcium carbonate, potassium gluconate, or glutamine.I'm about to buy 25lbs of ATW WPI @ $155, which is one helluva a deal, I'm trying to save money and other than tuna(only low fat protein, others are cornish hens and beef patties) the WPI is the only other source that's easy to ingest.
Can't the acidity be offset by drinking lime juice and sodium bicarbonate?
Where are you getting meat that it's cheaper than powder? I use powder because it's slightly cheaper than beef/chicken and I don't know where you'd get meat that cheap unless you huntUse isolate post workout if you can, other than that most will advise you to stick to solid foods as much as possible.
If you're getting a majority of your protein from powder I'd say you're being inefficient in more than one way. Is it the end of world if you do so? No, but it's expensive and unnecessary.
Do you think anyone would actually volunteer for a study where all they consumed was protein shakes for 8-12 weeks? The reality is that what you're looking for would be nearly impossible to design and have a decent sample size.Guys, there have been a LOT of vague answers here based simply on what you do as opposed to the factual science of it. Got it, meat has more nutrients, oils, etc. But my question is, can anyone link me to any "scientific data" that shows eating meat increases muscle growth more/faster than the equivalent amount of protein taken via WPI. I don't want to hear any anecdotal data about what you do and how it helps, Im just curious if there's a link to a scientific study that compares the two - that is all that matters.
Congrats on the ultra necro bump.Guys, there have been a LOT of vague answers here based simply on what you do as opposed to the factual science of it. Got it, meat has more nutrients, oils, etc. But my question is, can anyone link me to any "scientific data" that shows eating meat increases muscle growth more/faster than the equivalent amount of protein taken via WPI. I don't want to hear any anecdotal data about what you do and how it helps, Im just curious if there's a link to a scientific study that compares the two - that is all that matters.
There is literally no person in the world that would volunteer for this kind of study. How would you account for the energy difference from the fats within the flesh? Do you honestly expect someone to be in a constant state of ketosis for 50 days?Yes, there are 7 billion people in the world. Many signing up for stranger more invasive studies with less important results - so, no it's not far fetched by any means. It's a very simple study. Feed 50 people pure protein shakes for a month. And feed the other 50 only sources of food protein (no vegetables, carbs or any other food that would interfere with the results) just meats/eggs, etc. Take accurate muscle mass measurements before during and after, place them on identical workout regimens using body weight percentage to account for how much weight they use. See who gains more. And there's your study.
It sounds easy on paper but you do understand how the body works right? There are many other things that your entire system needs besides protein. To get down to the technicality of it all the body breaks protein down whey or meat into branch chain amino acids to create the building blocks for more muscles, but needs many other essentials to run and be healthy. When the body does not have these other essentials it will find them. And where will it find them? Bum da da dum! Your muscles! And why does it go to your muscles aka your meat because it is rich in nutrients. If you look at the back of some powders you will see sometimes that the company has included other vitamins and essential minerals which are naturally found in some meats, and why do they do that? So your body can better repair it self and hopefully create... You guessed it more muscle. So they dont have to do a study because the answer is simple, if a person only consumes whey you go catabolic due to the lack of other nutrients.Yes, there are 7 billion people in the world. Many signing up for stranger more invasive studies with less important results - so, no it's not far fetched by any means. It's a very simple study. Feed 50 people pure protein shakes for a month. And feed the other 50 only sources of food protein (no vegetables, carbs or any other food that would interfere with the results) just meats/eggs, etc. Take accurate muscle mass measurements before during and after, place them on identical workout regimens using body weight percentage to account for how much weight they use. See who gains more. And there's your study.
Yes, it's called Atkins
Atkins encourages high amounts of vegetables. Again, how would you make up for the energy balance from the fats within, for example, whole eggs in the protein shake only group? What do you propose doing to account for the inevitable GI distress from no fiber?Yes, it's called Atkins
I didn't say eggs in protein shakes; I said that there would be a large caloric difference in 30g of protein from whole eggs vs 30g protein from WPI. You can eat over a pound of broccoli per day and not exceed 20g of carbs.First of all, no eggs in protein shakes, Im talking about pure whey isolate only. And n, for a month, there would be no vegetables. Atkins doesn't encourage vegetables, you can have a tinnnnny amount of green lettuce before you breach your 20 carbs a day rule. But many people skip veggies all together, and you would have to for this.
Did you read the link that I posted at the begining of this thread?Re: fiber - maybe each participant would be allowed some beneful (fiber mix drink) - youd obviously have to work out the fine details, but on the macro, there's no problem with this study for a month.
20g of Carbs in one stock of brocolli, regardless, veggies are not required in Atkins. And I know there would be a large caloric difference between eggs and WPI same with steak and WPI - that's what the study is about, to see if that actually effects the rate/size of muscle growth. We're measuring only muscle mass, not overall mass, so if you gain fat, it's irrelevant. It's absurd to call a simple study like the impossible to design. You need to read the complexity of most modern studies, this is child's play comparatively. And I know nobody is encouraging only WPI, but that is because everyone blindly thinks they MUST use it only as a supplement instead of a primarily because they hear enough people saying it - but there's no study (that I've seen) - and if there is, great, I have no horse in the race. Just curious about the results, and I don't take information from anecdotal sources and heresay.I didn't say eggs in protein shakes; I said that there would be a large caloric difference in 30g of protein from whole eggs vs 30g protein from WPI. You can eat over a pound of broccoli per day and not exceed 20g of carbs.Your idea is far from practical and you have to realize that what you want is impossible to design in a study. There are a myriad of variables that you'd have to account for and the adherence rate would be so low that it would negate the results. Nobody is encouraging only using WPI as their sole protein source as that makes no sense. A huge part of the reason for protein shakes is practicality in that it is difficult for most to consume the protein they need from just whole foods.
Yes, I read it, and all well and good, but I'd like to see a study that proves it. Right now it's just words.Did you read the link that I posted at the begining of this thread?
Let me try this again: what would you propose to make up for the caloric difference? You can't make comparisons amongst groups with different caloric consumption.20g of Carbs in one stock of brocolli, regardless, veggies are not required in Atkins. And I know there would be a large caloric difference between eggs and WPI same with steak and WPI - that's what the study is about, to see if that actually effects the rate/size of muscle growth. We're measuring only muscle mass, not overall mass, so if you gain fat, it's irrelevant. It's absurd to call a simple study like the impossible to design. You need to read the complexity of most modern studies, this is child's play comparatively. And I know nobody is encouraging only WPI, but that is because everyone blindly thinks they MUST use it only as a supplement instead of a primarily because they hear enough people saying it - but there's no study (that I've seen) - and if there is, great, I have no horse in the race. Just curious about the results, and I don't take information from anecdotal sources and heresay.
Yes, you can. If calories in the meat are increasing muscle mass moreso than the WPI alone - then there's your answer, meat is more effective. However if the calories are only adding to the fat/overall mass as compared to WPI, then it's not relevant.Let me try this again: what would you propose to make up for the caloric difference? You can't make comparisons amongst groups with different caloric consumption.
Yeah....if you have one group consuming more calories than the other group, then the study design is completely flawed and irrelevant. You would need to have equal caloric intakes for the results to be valid.Yes, you can. If calories in the meat are increasing muscle mass moreso than the WPI alone - then there's your answer, meat is more effective. However if the calories are only adding to the fat/overall mass as compared to WPI, then it's not relevant.
A study that shows meat breaks down slower then whey protein?...Yes, I read it, and all well and good, but I'd like to see a study that proves it. Right now it's just words.
What are you basing this on? You gave me no reason why it would be invalid, you just said it would be.Yeah....if you have one group consuming more calories than the other group, then the study design is completely flawed and irrelevant. You would need to have equal caloric intakes for the results to be valid.
Did I miss something in this article? Let me know which part of this article was making your point - not sure what you're referring to. And who said anything about a study showing meat breaking down slower than WPI, I know it does, what is your point?A study that shows meat breaks down slower then whey protein?...read thisIf your still arguing your point I’m going to take you for a troll who just wants to argue for the sake of arguing
Study design 101: you have to make caloric intakes equal. Otherwise, you can't determine whether or not the caloric difference or the supplement is making the difference. For someone wanting scientific validation, you are severely lacking knowledge on how to properly design a study.What are you basing this on? You gave me no reason why it would be invalid, you just said it would be.
Sorry, you're misinformed. When the point of the study is to test whether caloric intake as well as other macronutrients found in meats actually helps contribute to muscle growth/size vs WPI and its low caloric value, then there is no need for this. That's like saying I want to test a weight loss study testing high calorie diet vs a low calorie diet...but the calories need to be the same. Flawed logic.Study design 101: you have to make caloric intakes equal. Otherwise, you can't determine whether or not the caloric difference or the supplement is making the difference. For someone wanting scientific validation, you are severely lacking knowledge on how to properly design a study.
are you Glawry reincarnate?Did I miss something in this article? Let me know which part of this article was making your point - not sure what you're referring to. And who said anything about a study showing meat breaking down slower than WPI, I know it does, what is your point?
Are you able to respond to my questions without adhominem?are you Glawry reincarnate?
I give up with you.Sorry, you're misinformed. When the point of the study is to test whether caloric intake as well as other macronutrients found in meats actually helps contribute to muscle growth/size vs WPI and its low caloric value, then there is no need for this. That's like saying I want to test a weight loss study testing high calorie diet vs a low calorie diet...but the calories need to be the same. Flawed logic.
Ill take that as a yesAre you able to respond to my questions without adhominem?
You're allowed to give up. Doesn't mean a legitimate answer has been given.I give up with you.
Crew, you sent me an article that in no way discussed being able to fully substitute WPI for meat with the same result, and yet you sent it saying this answers everything and if I question that Im a troll. You can't just send irrelevant things and expect people to clap.Ill take that as a yes
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