Bulk D-Aspartic Acid
- 03-09-2010, 01:41 PM
- 03-09-2010, 03:24 PM
- 03-09-2010, 03:52 PM
I'd like to know about this too. Some research indicated that this increases prolactin? There's a thread around if you search for it.
03-10-2010, 07:59 AM
03-10-2010, 08:28 AM
G.E.T., AX, and Muscle Warfare have just come out with different products with DAA. None of them come even close to the 3g dosage. Muscle Warfare has NMDA (N-Methyl-D-Aspartic Acid) which is supposed to be much stronger. The whole point of supplementing DAA is the conversion TO NMDA.
Anyway, I have the Muscle Warfare Product NMDA (which has DAA, NMDA and a couple of serms and cofactors) and a bulk DAA product in capsule called DAA Pure on the way. So in a week or two I'll be trying whichever comes first and comparing the two.
Muscle Warfare is doing in house testing on MMA fighters in their gym and are seeing nearly instant increases in Test, Gh, and Dhea levels. Their documentation impresses me. I don't expect Clinical Controlled Trials--that would make a our supplements $150 a bottle. But doing simple, in house testing is something most companies are not doing. Claiming a test boost is one thing, actually demonstrating it is another.
I'll be coming off Natadrol to try DAA. I doubt this stuff could touch how incredibly well, even unbelievably well Natadrol works for me.
I wonder if this means more D amino acid supplements are in our future?
03-10-2010, 11:06 AM
03-10-2010, 11:40 AM
what "co factors" to regulate the prolactin since this is plain DAA
edit: Did a quick search and came up with this bit of info from 2 seperate posts -
"vitex and definitely vitamin b6 p5p"
"Vitex is used to normalize excessive Prolactin levels. Women use it because it helps deal with a lot of female issues, among which can include excessive Prolactin levels and infertility. There is no reason why men cannot use it if they are simply looking to decrease Prolactin levels."
03-10-2010, 08:01 PM
03-10-2010, 08:11 PM
03-10-2010, 10:32 PM
I dont think this should be taken as a stand alone, L-dopa(Powerfull) for prolactin/Test/HGH and anti estrogen( PP Sustain or IBE 6 bromo) would be great. The studies show this stuff raises Test rapidly and to high levels, so precautions should be taken.
It also raises IGF-1 and HGH, so adding HGHup should make for one hell of a stack.
Also, this converts through a methyl donor process into NDMA, so you might want to look into adding something that increases this conversion. Muscle Warfare has really addressesd a lot of these issues but bulk would allow you to play with a lot of different stacks.
03-10-2010, 10:45 PM
03-10-2010, 11:01 PM
EST is releasing a D-aspartic acid product. its the new Propadrol , it has the same AI component the 3-ohat like methyl mass and it has 3 grams of a prop blend of D-aspartic and NMDA, plus some 7,8 benzo or 7methoxy cant remember which one
03-10-2010, 11:05 PM
03-10-2010, 11:08 PM
TMG trimethylglycine yeilds 3 ( hence tri ) donors. Its an excelent methyl donor. 100 grams powder is less than 7 bucks at beyond a century. It helps lower homocystine as a added bonus. Animal studies show increase meat production with less fat in farm animals. not bad for the price. taste is tolerable as well
03-10-2010, 11:52 PM
The above mentioned methyl donors all work well but you can also look at DMAE or SAMe.
DAA has also been reported to improve mood, so stacking it with SAMe would be an interesting combo.
One thing about the studies, they were ran at 3 grams, so it is very possible that a lower dose could produce similar increases as the 3 gram dose. I believe Muscle Warfare said they found it to be just as potent at lower doses.
Patrick Arnold said on another board that he knows guys running up to 8 grams a day with no sides.
Dont know if I would go that far considering your body has a limit on how much it can convert DAA into NMDA and of course you would be increasing any possible sides.
I would play with dosing, start maybe at 1 gram and increase as needed. In fact, now that it is in bulk, I may just have to give it a try.
My Stack: DAA, Powerfull, PP Sustain/PP Form, SAMe,TMG. Maybe through in HGHup for its HGH increasing effects and Olive Oil, its cheap and its supplies the fats needed to build test.
03-11-2010, 12:32 AM
doing my own thang!
03-11-2010, 11:50 AM
03-11-2010, 12:00 PM
Subbed Going to come back and read up on this.
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03-11-2010, 12:08 PM
03-11-2010, 12:10 PM
Okay, I was just making sure. I mean, $70 is quite steep for something of this nature without proven test-runs.
03-11-2010, 12:19 PM
75mg DAA and 25mg NMDA. And with methyl donors s.a.m.e. and TMG.
I know that's a low dose on DAA but they claim that NMDA is 100x as potent as DAA at activating the NMDA receptor (100x means that 25mg NMDA would be equal to 2.5g of DAA). Who knows, you can only experiment. Maybe start off with 1g of DAA? It is supposed to kick in quickly...
If you look at the prop blend for Anabolic Xtreme Hard FX:
Proprietary Matrix 473mg
D-Aspartic acid, Trigonella foenum-graecum seed extract (standardized to 50% Fenuside Saponins), Coleus forskohlii extract (standardized to 20% Forskolin), 7-Methoxyflavone .
At 4 caps a day it obviously doesn't come close to 3g of DAA. Funny how they reference the study showing Test increase but they don't replicate the dosage!
03-11-2010, 12:30 PM
Indeed, what about the article in MD that talks about nmda permanently frying receptors or causing nerve ending to disappear or something of that nature?
03-11-2010, 12:33 PM
Drinking (booze) reportedly causes brain cell damage but I'm informed its only the weaker cells
So how safe is this DAA stuff ?
03-11-2010, 12:36 PM
Nobody knows man. There are no good reviews or logs on it yet. I am going to start my own log on Monday or Tuesday; whenever the stuff arrives.
03-11-2010, 12:39 PM
Yeah, I've read of people using SARM's too, (no stack intended) and they start to see yellow and blue when they've been on too long.
please post a link for your log when avail
03-11-2010, 12:40 PM
03-11-2010, 12:41 PM
03-11-2010, 03:09 PM
03-11-2010, 03:20 PM
Not to confuse this but when and if the final review gets done if its positive or negative really might be mute because an overall result based upon a statistical size of one and not using any baseline group at the same time. Not to mention what effects may or may not occur many years afterwards.
But after all it is just an amino acid, right
03-11-2010, 05:33 PM
Just ordered 160 grams
NMDA looks fantastic actually, but I'm going to run the bulk for a month and run NMDA after to see if I feel any change.
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03-13-2010, 08:18 AM
I received an order from Muscle Warfare. Now I am confused the label says it has 35 mg of the "NMDA Amino Acid Hormonal Amplifying Matrix" --that of course consists of D-Aspartic acid, NMDA, Trimethyl Glycine and SAMe. If the label holds true then Muscle Warfare is the biggest RIP-OFF $70.00 FOR A FEW MILLIGRAMS OF supposedly active ingredients.
03-13-2010, 09:12 AM
03-13-2010, 10:58 AM
I dove in and got 400 grams, I normally would wait it out but I'm 10 weeks out and it's go time!!
Should be in next week, anybody who wants to follow along can see the results in my current log Getting Primed for the stage CEO Style with some other nice goodies ... either way there will be carnage!!
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03-13-2010, 11:01 AM
Well I took the plunge and picked up 400 grams of D-Aspartic acid at NP, will run 4 grams a day see what happens. It's a risk as it's pretty untested but I want to see if this stuff can help me out.
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03-13-2010, 11:36 AM
Me too. Just came in yesterday. It is VERY underdosed. VERY VERY underdosed. If I had seen a label before ordering I WOULD NOT have ordered the product. On the phone the lady said the recommended dose is 2-3 caps a day (of a 90 count bottle). So now I have the bottle and it says to take 2-3 caps TWO TO THREE x a day! At 9 caps a day this will last 10 days....
Lesson learned, do not order until you can see the actual label.....
I did get my DAA Pure (120 750mg D-aspartic acid) caps two days ago. I've worked out only once and had an impressive workout but obviously I need more time to evaluate. I went with the full 3g dosage.
Yea, I am pissed about this Muscle Warfare NMDA. The profile itself looks good, but the dosages are miniscule. As usual, bulk is the way to go.
03-13-2010, 12:18 PM
03-13-2010, 12:58 PM
03-13-2010, 02:06 PM
FYI, Muscle Warfare appears to be owned by Fizogen/SDI Labs/Legal Steriods.com.
If you like those products, fine, but just be sure you know who you're doing business with.
03-13-2010, 02:37 PM
03-13-2010, 02:43 PM
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