[Mulletsoldier]

Haha, I went to public school and dropped out from grades 10-12.

=P

[Jayhawkk]

Way to boost my ego Mullet, lol.

[Mulletsoldier]

Seriously, I think it was the drugs which gave me a push in the right direction intellectually. There has always been a fair amount of study devoted to perception expansion through altered states of consciousness. I mean, the Saskatchewan Group, Aldus Huxley and others did some interesting qualitative, substantive research on LSD's effects in research settings. I definitely believe certain expanses of the subconscious can only be 'unlocked', so to speak, through psychoactive substances.

One thing I truly wish was that modern society embraced these types of substances more openly. There is very little evidence that the sub-culture related to psychoactive drugs contributes in any real way to secondary illicit activity; and, even less of a correlation to violent crimes. Don't get me wrong, I am all far harsher penalties for addictive, physically-harmful substances such as Meth, Coke/Crack, Heroin (and other barbituates), but the actual compound LSD (once fully synthesized) has no physiological effects (once synthesized in parentheses because Ergot poisoning can cause adverse physical reactions).

I feel that these kinds of experiences de-alienate man from his natural settings, and even from one another. We have framed our realities in such a way that we have bastardized ourself from nature and framed our interaction as a fragmented action-reaction circuit, that all interaction must have a 'purpose'. These are values which have engrained, and to a degree perpetuated, our certain 'consumer-driven' lifestyle. This kind of lifestyle is the cause for a myriad of issues which are too numerous to list here.

Point being, I am not sure why I am ranting about LSD.

[Jayhawkk]

You are freaking out.... maaan.

[Mulletsoldier]

LOL!

The snosberries taste like snosberries.

[bpmartyr]

Nice post BJ. You too Mullet. Jay ... not so much. jk

[Jayhawkk]

lmao! Butthead

[MashedPotato]

Originally Posted by bpmartyr

Nice post BJ. You too Mullet. Jay ... not so much. jk

This conversation is rather riveting, please do carry on dear fellows

[In Hulk]

Bloodline of the Holy Grail by Sir Laurence Gardner = Utter ownage

Why is it that when people make a conscious decision to change their life and take steps to achieve their goals, they attribute their success to God? Are they afraid of being responsible for their own life? Is it that far fetched to believe that man is capable of altering his reality?

In Mark 11:24, Jesus Christ said, “What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.” He was referring to creating reality, manifesting thoughts and ideas, the power of the mind and the power that man posesses.

Anyway, the whole thing bothers me. Religions just seem like massive cults of followers unwilling to entertain arguments that challenge or test their blind faith. Not to mention that Christians are by far some of the most unchristian people you will ever meet. A whole base supposedly devout followers of a hippy pacifist, who support wars and violence, and vehemently oppose government assistance programs to the impoverished. How hilarious is that?

Anyway, in short, the bible was written by men, not god. The end.

[Heat Miser]

Originally Posted by In Hulk

Bloodline of the Holy Grail by Sir Laurence Gardner = Utter ownage

Why is it that when people make a conscious decision to change their life and take steps to achieve their goals, they attribute their success to God? Are they afraid of being responsible for their own life? Is it that far fetched to believe that man is capable of altering his reality?

In Mark 11:24, Jesus Christ said, “What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.” He was referring to creating reality, manifesting thoughts and ideas, the power of the mind and the power that man posesses.

Anyway, the whole thing bothers me. Religions just seem like massive cults of followers unwilling to entertain arguments that challenge or test their blind faith. Not to mention that Christians are by far some of the most unchristian people you will ever meet. A whole base supposedly devout followers of a hippy pacifist, who support wars and violence, and vehemently oppose government assistance programs to the impoverished. How hilarious is that?

Anyway, in short, the bible was written by men, not god. The end.

KJV - Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall have [them].

RSV - Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

YLT - Because of this I say to you, all whatever -- praying -- ye do ask, believe that ye receive, and it shall be to you.

NAS - "Therefore I say to you, all things for which you pray and ask, believe that you have received them, and they shall be [granted] you.

You possess nothing that wasn't granted to you. You may believe you willed something into being but the very will you possess was granted to you.

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by In Hulk

Bloodline of the Holy Grail by Sir Laurence Gardner = Utter ownage

Why is it that when people make a conscious decision to change their life and take steps to achieve their goals, they attribute their success to God? Are they afraid of being responsible for their own life? Is it that far fetched to believe that man is capable of altering his reality?

In Mark 11:24, Jesus Christ said, “What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.” He was referring to creating reality, manifesting thoughts and ideas, the power of the mind and the power that man posesses.

Anyway, the whole thing bothers me. Religions just seem like massive cults of followers unwilling to entertain arguments that challenge or test their blind faith. Not to mention that Christians are by far some of the most unchristian people you will ever meet. A whole base supposedly devout followers of a hippy pacifist, who support wars and violence, and vehemently oppose government assistance programs to the impoverished. How hilarious is that?

Anyway, in short, the bible was written by men, not god. The end.

Well, on a methodological note, Christian values are innately antithetical to 'hippie' culture. As stated, their predisposition to promote the underlying ideals of the economic system of the time is what has made them so pervasive. From the inception of the hierarchal ministry structure of Christianity, and its adoption by the Roman Empire as the sanctioned religion, its values have consistently encourage and conflated themselves with economic models.

Christianity represents the 'best defense' from a
pastoral-materialist world view. The majority of religions/idealogues to that point had expressed man as a positive self-determination of an objective 'Nature'. Therefore, exchange with 'Nature' was seen as necessarily reciprocal for the alienation of man from the objective 'Nature' was an alienation oif man from himself. By positing the triad incorporeal God-Head as the creator of existence, and thereby creator of man, 'Nature' is not given the same credence in Christian theology and institution. Thereby also positing Man as the subjective representation, in conscious form, of the objective value of 'God'. This allows for both exploitation of Nature and its justification (God's way).

Aside from that, I don't find any advantage in generalizing Christians. We all adhere to certain ideologies and normative values, but I think it unfair to 'lump' individuals under collective categories. I have met many Christians, B-Fidday included, who are open to the historicity of their faith, and its basis in a material reality.

[kwyckemynd00]

Mormons believe that Jesus was a created being: the elder brother of Lucifer (otherwise known as Satan, or the Devil).

Just had to address this. While I'm pretty much a semi-spiritual agnostic these days, it still bugs me how many misconceptions there are about mormon people that are propagated as absolute fact.

The above statement is totally false. The church addressed this publicly on their website lately (after an issue with Mike Hukabee inquiring about that / being offensive toward Mit Romney).

If you'd like an answer to this question, in short its "the term brother was used as people use brother to address each other in church, but Jesus is most definitely not literally Lucifers "brother"".

A better explanation can be found below.
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/r...ther_satan.htm

[kwyckemynd00]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

Seriously, I think it was the drugs which gave me a push in the right direction intellectually. There has always been a fair amount of study devoted to perception expansion through altered states of consciousness. I mean, the Saskatchewan Group, Aldus Huxley and others did some interesting qualitative, substantive research on LSD's effects in research settings. I definitely believe certain expanses of the subconscious can only be 'unlocked', so to speak, through psychoactive substances.

...blah blah blah...

Point being, I am not sure why I am ranting about LSD.

This makes perfect sense; now I understand you better. I have a friend who was just blabbing to me about how great LSD was the other day. He kept blabbing about how if it weren't for LSD he wouldn't be where he is today. He's a looney nut-bag, just like you. But if he weren't so weird, I probably wouldn't enjoy his company as much.

Only major difference between he and you is that he believes LSD is doing the lords work when people use it responsibly.

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

This makes perfect sense; now I understand you better. I have a friend who was just blabbing to me about how great LSD was the other day. He kept blabbing about how if it weren't for LSD he wouldn't be where he is today. He's a looney nut-bag, just like you. But if he weren't so weird, I probably wouldn't enjoy his company as much.

Only major difference between he and you is that he believes LSD is doing the lords work when people use it responsibly.

You're fat and ugly? Well, mostly fat.

Hah, no for real I'm not sure how to respond to that.

If I hadn't just gotten a 170 I might be offended. But I did, so I'm not, and we're okay, Tubbie!