alright so i have a question out there for anyone who has tried these products..i am an all natural lifter 20 years old never used gear (steroids or PH) but i was giving some thought to running HCGenerate + phytoserms-347...i know some of you might say oh you're 20 you won't benefit at all but the more i read the more i see young people 20-25 years old using these products..i'm also cutting currently so i would really love to use these for when i start bulking again in the summer through fall..so if anyone has anything to say about these two things being run together please give me some info