According to MP.. Fadogia reduces test levels ?
- 01-07-2011, 09:49 AM
- 01-07-2011, 09:57 AM
I wouldn't believe anything MP says although very interesting post.
You should post this in iforce section and open a debate.
01-07-2011, 10:41 AM
I will look around and see if I can find a published study supporting the argument.Update On Fadogia Agrestis:
My manufacturer just got through with a 6 week study on Fadogia Agrestis. Although there seems to be some studies implying that this ingredient has been known to increase test levells 6x of a controlled group, this is actually a study referring to Rats.
The real facts are very discouraging and we have decided to pull this ingredient out of the Battle Fuel, based on the studies it showed to actually shut down the testis which is actually the opposite of what we want this product to do.
So sorry for this, my R&D guys are very good at what they do and this is part of the reason for us delaying the launch.
Thanks for your understanding and the current results of the Battle Fuel with out this ingredient is extremely more effective.
Muscle Pharm Rep
01-07-2011, 10:46 AM
jk man, I totally get being skeptical of supplement companies because there is a lot of BS that gets floated around. The fadogia was something we were looking into when we originally formulated Battle Fuel a few years ago and we found some studies that pointed to it actually having a negative effect on test levels. I believe this was way before Iforce was doing anything with the ingredient so I just want to clear up that it was not something we were trying to use as a marketing claim or to bash another company, it just didn't fit the bill for the product at that time.
Muscle Pharm Rep
01-07-2011, 01:26 PM
01-07-2011, 01:27 PM
01-07-2011, 01:43 PM
01-07-2011, 01:44 PM
01-07-2011, 02:14 PM
I just don't believe it lowers test, many people get great results from it, I got great results off of Tforce, more oily skin and acne start to pop up on my back and I never get any on my back unless I'm on a Test Booster.
Very interesting claims..
Core Nutritionals Representative
01-07-2011, 03:18 PM
Interested to see study as I have used the active in tforce as well.
Guess we'll see if I got placebro'd
01-07-2011, 03:42 PM
I believe what we are missing here is the free test to test ratio in which Fadogia increases free test, and from what I understand lowers overall test. However, the benefits of free test utilization outweighs the negative on overall test levels.
01-07-2011, 03:54 PM
01-07-2011, 04:23 PM
01-07-2011, 04:44 PM
01-07-2011, 05:12 PM
If I recall correctly guys the Fadogia caused some shutdown after use which is why we ditched it. We looked at the ingredient over a course of time, not just on the short term. Like I've said before also, we are not trying to knock the ingredient or any products based off of it, it just wasn't in the cards for us at the time.
Muscle Pharm Rep
01-07-2011, 05:15 PM
Simple good bros, because it highly stimulates LH, overtime if estrogen is not controlled, testosterone lowers, with an AI it will NOT lower testosterone. Do the math peeps
01-07-2011, 05:26 PM
01-07-2011, 05:29 PM
I will leave off saying this, Dr.Houser over at ******** obviously did bloods on fadogia, if he backs it up; its for a reason. Secondly, he recommends taking breaks because of the significant boosts in LH....
I seem to be on the money when I notice that some people lack practicality, that is all.
01-07-2011, 10:26 PM
01-08-2011, 09:38 AM
Muscle Pharm Rep
01-08-2011, 10:03 AM
I have only tried it once and it was Bioforge ProMax. It gave me a few zits which led me to believe it worked, but once I had bloodwork done, it proved to be wrong. My test dropped by roughly 40 pts. I will never use again...reguardless of company.
01-08-2011, 10:16 AM
01-08-2011, 03:18 PM
Although AR has found a human blood, here it is.
Finds a nice increase in total test, the user actually just finished taking aromasin after a sd cycle. The results are after that pct; pre and post FA dosing.
01-08-2011, 03:25 PM
I think it was like 1000mg a serving. I tried one serving daily the first month and did 2 servings for the next month. Neither delivered like the reviews. Complete waste of money, but I can only speak for that product and not others.
01-08-2011, 03:49 PM
01-09-2011, 12:15 AM
01-12-2011, 10:23 AM
Companies do not change products to make them less effective, but to make them BETTER - Muscle Pharm is no different. Their products all work and are highly effective, so if they have made changes to formulas, then you can be sure it is to enhance their effects and make them better overall. I have been a Muscle Pharm supporter since I used my first Muscle Pharm product - with several of their line-up staples in my supplement arsenal - and I will continue to do so.
02-02-2011, 11:27 PM
I am new to this forum, so please take that into account.
I ran 2 bottles of HCGenerate and noticed increase in strength, libido and general well being. I have been off of it for little over a week now and my libido is shot.
It might be just my body chemistry and your results maybe different.
I wish I could find OTC option to get me back to normal. I am leery of DAA, so only remaining option I am looking at is Erase.
02-03-2011, 02:14 AM
02-03-2011, 07:00 AM
Thanks Andrew. Are people noticing drop in libido when they come off it ? That's what I am experiencing right now and its pretty severe. I did not stack anything with HCGenerate and I am not on any supplements right now. I am looking to add another to erase to possibly get me back on track. I am staying away from DAA as I heard you lose your gains when you come off it.
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