Which is the reason why it was pulled from battle fuel(great product).
I was wondering if one of the reps can link to such study ?
Thank you,
G.Q
I was wondering if one of the reps can link to such study ?
Thank you,
G.Q
Here is the explaination from Brad, the owner of our company, about the removal of Fadogia:Which is the reason why it was pulled from battle fuel(great product).
I was wondering if one of the reps can link to such study ?
Thank you,
G.Q
I will look around and see if I can find a published study supporting the argument.Update On Fadogia Agrestis:
My manufacturer just got through with a 6 week study on Fadogia Agrestis. Although there seems to be some studies implying that this ingredient has been known to increase test levells 6x of a controlled group, this is actually a study referring to Rats.
The real facts are very discouraging and we have decided to pull this ingredient out of the Battle Fuel, based on the studies it showed to actually shut down the testis which is actually the opposite of what we want this product to do.
So sorry for this, my R&D guys are very good at what they do and this is part of the reason for us delaying the launch.
Thanks for your understanding and the current results of the Battle Fuel with out this ingredient is extremely more effective.
Why you hating bro?I wouldn't believe anything MP says although very interesting post.
You should post this in iforce section and open a debate.
Hey watch it .. I used to work for them .. HahaaI wouldn't believe anything MP says although very interesting post.
You should post this in iforce section and open a debate.
Thanks miller .. Looking forward to itHere is the explaination from Brad, the owner of our company, about the removal of Fadogia:
I will look around and see if I can find a published study supporting the argument.
I just never seen anything convincing from that ingredient so I'm very skeptical about it.Why you hating bro?
jk man, I totally get being skeptical of supplement companies because there is a lot of BS that gets floated around. The fadogia was something we were looking into when we originally formulated Battle Fuel a few years ago and we found some studies that pointed to it actually having a negative effect on test levels. I believe this was way before Iforce was doing anything with the ingredient so I just want to clear up that it was not something we were trying to use as a marketing claim or to bash another company, it just didn't fit the bill for the product at that time.
I hate that about this board, its an open post for discussion your post in no way hurts their damn sales if the product really works. If anything they should be able to convince you to try it and become a believer. :28:Hey watch it .. I used to work for them .. Hahaa
Yea it will def raise hell if I post it there .. I'd prolly get negged by the reps haha
hmmm great point, while pist I missed that now I want some from Iforce lolI believe what we are missing here is the free test to test ratio in which Fadogia increases free test, and from what I understand lowers overall test. However, the benefits of free test utilization outweighs the negative on overall test levels.
That statement was released over 2 years ago on MP's forumHere is the explaination from Brad, the owner of our company, about the removal of Fadogia:
I will look around and see if I can find a published study supporting the argument.
How many of tforce were you dosing ?I just don't believe it lowers test, many people get great results from it, I got great results off of Tforce, more oily skin and acne start to pop up on my back and I never get any on my back unless I'm on a Test Booster.
Very interesting claims..
At first I was dosing 1.5g a day then went up to 2.5g and I found 2.5g worked better.How many of tforce were you dosing ?
When you search around you get hit or miss on this ingrident .. I would love to see the logs/bloodwork on this .. Hopefully some1 will do it.
Yea claims are off the charts lol
It was a study done by our manufacturer at the time when we were developing Battle Fuel, I am not sure if it ever was published. Once again we were not attacking the ingredient, or trying to say anything negative about any products that were/are using it, we just found it wasn't in the cards for us at that time and we released the information on a thread in our own forums. I know many people that like the ingredient and had positive results from it, our main concerns was with a shutdown affect or possible desensitization in the testes from use of the product. I know there is a published study out there that showed negative effects with long term usage at high levels in rats but in terms of how most people use it I don't think that study really has enough prevalence to link to here.If MP fails to deliver a study, bs will be called.
I have only tried it once and it was Bioforge ProMax. It gave me a few zits which led me to believe it worked, but once I had bloodwork done, it proved to be wrong. My test dropped by roughly 40 pts. I will never use again...reguardless of company.
I think we've all seen it. Still in for your company's human test.It was a study done by our manufacturer at the time when we were developing Battle Fuel, I am not sure if it ever was published. Once again we were not attacking the ingredient, or trying to say anything negative about any products that were/are using it, we just found it wasn't in the cards for us at that time and we released the information on a thread in our own forums. I know many people that like the ingredient and had positive results from it, our main concerns was with a shutdown affect or possible desensitization in the testes from use of the product. I know there is a published study out there that showed negative effects with long term usage at high levels in rats but in terms of how most people use it I don't think that study really has enough prevalence to link to here.
Great postIt was a study done by our manufacturer at the time when we were developing Battle Fuel, I am not sure if it ever was published. Once again we were not attacking the ingredient, or trying to say anything negative about any products that were/are using it, we just found it wasn't in the cards for us at that time and we released the information on a thread in our own forums. I know many people that like the ingredient and had positive results from it, our main concerns was with a shutdown affect or possible desensitization in the testes from use of the product. I know there is a published study out there that showed negative effects with long term usage at high levels in rats but in terms of how most people use it I don't think that study really has enough prevalence to link to here.
Nice. I just think it's odd that it would decrease test. If you look on Nutraplanet, every test booster with FA in it has really good reviews.I think we've all seen it. Still in for your company's human test.
Although AR has found a human blood, here it is.
Finds a nice increase in total test, the user actually just finished taking aromasin after a sd cycle. The results are after that pct; pre and post FA dosing.
:goodpost:It was a study done by our manufacturer at the time when we were developing Battle Fuel, I am not sure if it ever was published. Once again we were not attacking the ingredient, or trying to say anything negative about any products that were/are using it, we just found it wasn't in the cards for us at that time and we released the information on a thread in our own forums. I know many people that like the ingredient and had positive results from it, our main concerns was with a shutdown affect or possible desensitization in the testes from use of the product. I know there is a published study out there that showed negative effects with long term usage at high levels in rats but in terms of how most people use it I don't think that study really has enough prevalence to link to here.
Welcome to the forum, but please do make sure that you post in the relevant threads in the relevant subforum for your feedback and queries - this is the Muscle Pharm subforum, the thread is about Battle Fuel, and there is no DAA in the product.I am new to this forum, so please take that into account.
I ran 2 bottles of HCGenerate and noticed increase in strength, libido and general well being. I have been off of it for little over a week now and my libido is shot.
It might be just my body chemistry and your results maybe different.
I wish I could find OTC option to get me back to normal. I am leery of DAA, so only remaining option I am looking at is Erase.
Got.No, it wasn't published it was just done by our manufacturers. Sorry Guys.
Ya I tend to think Fadogia works great, I never noticed anything too crazy but everytime I use it, I feel an increase in libido and feel a bit better in the gym as well.Here's more from the full study, looks like it's similar to hcg, great for keeping test production up but not something you'd want to stay on indefinitely.
http://www.needtobuildmuscle.net/blog/2011/07/11/fadogia-agrestis/