Matt Hughes Wins
- 05-29-2006, 11:33 PM
- 05-29-2006, 11:50 PM
See, I don't think he'd get destroyed in a Pride openweight. I think folks tend to harp on Pride a little too much. Sure, they've got some great fighters. And sure, he'd have a very tough time against someone like Fedor and a few other guys, but I think he would be very competitive overall.
Like I said, I'd love to see it.
- 05-29-2006, 11:55 PM
05-30-2006, 12:25 AM
Oh, I gotta go with hendo on that one. Could go either way, it just seems hendo is a little better at everything then Hughes. Hughes has better ground n pound, but hendo is great at escaping. Could go either way I guess. Now on to Hughes being in Pride open weight, I just can't see who he could beat. Both Nogs, Fedor, Crocop, Barnett, Aleks, Kharitonov, Silva, Shogun, Werdum, it goes on and on, I just don't see him beating any of these guys. Hughes/Bustamante would be good.Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
05-30-2006, 09:09 AM
I think Henderson takes Hughes and I think Henderson is a better wrestler and striker. Henderson was an Olympic Greco Roman wrestler. His striking is a bit unorthodox but it is effective.
05-30-2006, 11:31 AM
Also, don't forget that Hughes walks around at about 190 and could easily be a middleweight. Against Henderdon, I don't know...neither are great strikers, but Henderdon does have KO power.
05-30-2006, 04:48 PM
05-30-2006, 10:08 PM
I love watching Henderson's fights. The only guy that has figured out how to submit the guy is Nogueira...and he did so twice. I'd like to see Henderson fight any of the guys mentioned above. And while I'm at it...for some reason I swear I remember recently hearing that Penn is going back down to Lightweight...anybody else hear this?Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
06-04-2006, 10:46 AM
06-04-2006, 12:16 PM
Wandy seems to have trouble with good takedowns so who the hell knows, I think Matt would have a fairly good chance.
I think Wandy tends to be slightly overrated. Shogun is better, IMO, but Wandy is probably still #2 in the world.
06-04-2006, 12:37 PM
Hughes would get killed, are you kidding? Arona had a lot of trouble taking Wandy down. Arona is bigger and better at everything then Hughes. I can't believe people think Hughes is that good, its as if the Hughes/Gracie fight is the first MMA match they've ever seen. Someone on here was saying how Hughes would do well in Open Weight Pride. Thats ridiculous, there are probably 20 guys in Pride that would manhandle him.Originally Posted by mountainx31
I would really appreciate it if people would get off Hughes' nuts. He's a great fighter at 170, would do decent at 185, but 205 and HW are out of his league. I'd really like to see him fight Franklin, I think Franklin would own him.
06-04-2006, 12:48 PM
06-04-2006, 01:16 PM
Yes, he would get KILLED. I mean, it wouldn't even be competitive, would it? And yes, he would get MANHANDLED in Pride like a ragdoll, right?Originally Posted by Alexander
Wow, that's pretty dramatic stuff.
You know, I bet Wandy would just blow on Hughes and he'd fall over. That's how tough Wandy is, man!
I love how people act like MMA is a precise science and they have all the answers. If there's one thing that we KNOW is true about MMA is that it's not a precise science, and just when you think you know what's going to happen, something else happens. One minute a fighter is caught in a submission and it looks like it's over, and in the blink of an eye, there's an escape and a complete reversal of the fight takes place.
And one thing that Royce Gracie taught us is that you can't look at two fighters and determine the outcome of a fight. One fighter may have a significant weight or strength advantage but the other fighter's skills are great enough to overcome the discrepancy.
I never said that Hughes would win a Pride OWGP. I never even said he'd make it to the finals. I simply said I thought he'd be pretty competitive, winning a fight or two, who knows. Is he the only one from the UFC who I think would be competitive, no, but the context of the conversation was Matt Hughes so naturally that's who I was talking about at the time.
And I never said Hughes would beat Wanderlei, I simply said I think he would have a fairly good chance, assuming he has a good gameplan and is able to execute it.
That's not Hughes nut-hugging, it's just recognizing the possibilities.
MMA is more than just two guys going into a ring and slugging it out. It's also a chess match with a LOT of variables, including strength, weight, takedowns, boxing, kicks, submissions, and so forth. More often than not, it's the guy who controls most of the variables that is going to win. We can guess who that will be but we won't know for sure until they actually go at it, and until then, we have to recognize that just about anything is possible.
06-04-2006, 02:13 PM
I really just want to see Hughes get his ass beat...a little attitude adjustment that's all. He's tough, no doubt, but I think he makes up for his lack of technique by brute strength.
Not that this is a horrible thing, but in short rounds like UFC this will work, but in longer round lengths (Pride) I think he would be more likely to gas out.
Not earth shattering. He is the UFC champ...can't take that away from him at all. I think the only point I'm going for is that Hughes isn't the next coming of Christ like everyone makes him out to be. He's great...but no legend. Well, not yet anyway.
06-04-2006, 02:15 PM
Originally Posted by Alexander
Yea, he would not stand a chance in openweight Pride! Fedor, Cro-cop, lights out baby
06-04-2006, 02:50 PM
Yeah it's pretty dramatic stuff! It's necessary to use words like 'manhandled' because that is the best description of what would happen. Of course, anything is possible, I might be able to beat Fedor, but it's not likely. I don't act like I have everything figured out, I just have a better grip on MMA then most. If you think Hughes would do good in Pride Open Weight then you most likely don't have a good grip or are biased. Vanderlei is better at everything then Hughes, plain and simple. Some fights its tough to tell who will win, one guy may be the superior grappler and the other the superior striker or cardio guy. In this case Vanderlei is the superior everything. Look at the current GP lineup: Yoshida, Crocop, Vanderlei, Fujita, Werdum, Nog, Hunt, Barnett. You really think Hughes would stand a chance against any of those guys? He's 30-80 pounds smaller then any of them and not better skilled then any of them. Weight matters bro. I guess he is your hero, and thats great but you have to be realistic. If beating Giant Silva is your idea of doing well in Pride, then yes he would do well in Pride. I really can't wait for GSP to beat Hughes so people will get off his nuts for a bit.Originally Posted by Sir Savage
06-04-2006, 03:11 PM
I know weight matters, but so do an infinite number of other variables. It's far from the only thing that matters.
And no, I disagree that Wanderlei is better at everything than Hughes. I don't think Wanderlei's wrestling comes close to Hughes. He is a much better striker than Hughes, though, and probably has better BJJ.
But just for the record, I do think Hughes would probably lose. How's that for Hughes nut-hugging?
And as for which of the guys Hughes has a chance of beating in that Pride lineup, well, Hunt for starters. Hunt has absolutely no ground game and had a lot of trouble against his last opponent who was a good grappler. And that homeboy's grappling was nothing compared to Hughes. It would be a bad matchup for Hunt.
06-04-2006, 04:03 PM
Pound 4 Pound Hughes has better wrestling then Wanderlei, but Wand would just overpower Hughes. No way does Hughes have a better ground game then T.K. And Hunt was tired, but never in any real trouble. T.K. outweighs Hughes by 40 pounds too. What I was insinuating by saying size matters, and he is not more skilled then any of them is that all else being equal size does matter. I clearly wasn't saying it was the only thing that matters, thats why after the comment I mentioned him not being any more skilled then any of the OWGP competitors. Hunt IMO would have an easy time with Hughes. Hughes can't take Hunt down and keep him their. I doubt he would be able to take him down at all, and if he did Hunt would just stand up. Hunt would knock him out standing pretty easily I think. You're right anything is possible, I just don't think it's realistic to think Hughes could beat many Pride guys. I think out of those 8, his best chance would be Yoshida, and I think he would get subbed by Yoshida. I mean I love Gomi, and as talented as he is he's just too small to have a chance at any of Pride's heavyweights. Do you think he'll beat GSP?
06-04-2006, 04:08 PM
IMO Hughes would'nt do well in Pride's 183 division let alone OW. I think Filho, Busta, Hendo, and a few others would handle him. I'd love to see Filho/Hughes, Filho is one strong little mofo.
06-04-2006, 06:03 PM
Do I think Hughes will beat GSP? Yep.
But out of anybody in the welterweight division, GSP has by far the best chance, now that Penn is probably out of the picture and Sherk has dropped to lightweight.
He'll definitely have his hands full, though, and who knows, GSP might pull it out.
06-04-2006, 06:17 PM
Wandy would totally own Hughes and beat the stuffing out of him.
Hughes may be a big WW but Wandy is a good explosive athlete 2 weight classes above Hughes. Wandy isn't exceptional at takedown defense like Liddell but he is very darn good. Henderson couldn't take Wandy down and Arona who is superb at takedowns hard a very hard time getting Wandy down.
06-06-2006, 03:36 PM
Hmmmm, I don't see Hughes beating Mark Hunt, or at least not easily.
Hunts takedown defense and plain ol' toughness and heavy hands/legs and of course the size differential I think would be too much for hughes.
But if Matt could establish top position and work a sub...ok.
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