Training and BJJ
- 03-19-2006, 03:48 PM
Training and BJJ
So I have just started BJJ and I love it
However I find that my weight and strength seem to put me at a disatvantage compared to the guys.
My lifting and diet routine right now are specifically tailored for sparring, and I still want to keep that as a number 1 priority, however I was wondering if there was an advantage to specifically training certain areas for BJJ?
Any advice would be great
- 03-19-2006, 04:12 PM
03-22-2006, 01:05 AM
You cant really train a "certain area" of BJJ.. you just have to stick with it an after a few years you will find yourself kicking dudes asses that are twice your weight. Just stick with it thats all I have to say ..you get what you put in.Originally Posted by karategirl
03-22-2006, 09:39 AM
I find that I am struggling with the lack of strength compared to the guys, I am probably the lightest person in the class by a good 70lbs.
I think part of this is technique though, when I get the technique 100% right, it seems really easy.
Just curious thats all, I have a pretty strict training schedule anyway, so I am at an advantage compared to some.
03-22-2006, 09:54 AM
There is no 'one area' that will make anyone good.
Work on positioning skills like takedowns, reversals and escapes since most people tend to work too much on subs exclusively. Being on the bottom is bad.
03-22-2006, 10:12 AM
Thanks, I know that I will never have the strength advantage, but I am way more felxible than the guys so I will try and use that against them.Originally Posted by MarcusG
Oh and my 12 inch neck is not helping at all, it seems like I am really easy to choke!
03-22-2006, 10:30 AM
All a beginner has starting out in BJJ is strength and its common at this stage to try to muscle in a technique and powering out an escape. And since you're not even close to having parity in strength, I won't be surprised if you have major problems in training.
If you think you're just stagnating by being just a throw pillow for bigger guys, I suggest a different class or a different school.
03-22-2006, 10:36 AM
Ahh, but the one thing that I do have is my innate stubbornessOriginally Posted by MarcusG
I love BJJ, and the guys that I work with are incredibly good with me.
Thats probably because they know I can whoop their butts in sparring
I think a grappling style will compliment my karate and is perhaps more useful as a self defence if (God forbid) I was ever attacked.
03-22-2006, 11:15 AM
Perfecting your technique will help immensely - your full body against a single joint takes some of the strenth disparity out of the equation. It is good to work on core strengthening execises and I've found that grip strength is an important factor (and often overlooked).Originally Posted by karategirl
03-22-2006, 07:51 PM
I would disagree with Marcus stating that you should avoid the bottom. You will be unable to avoid the bottom for some time because you are just beginning your training and other students are bigger and stronger.
You should work very hard on escaping-especially focus on hip movement, and guard work. You will be on the bottom and you may as well improve your skills from these positions.
03-22-2006, 08:03 PM
I have a question; Do you like it? I was concidering it. I was supposed to start jiu-jitsu last night but my ride was sick, So I start next Tuesday. I heard BJJ is more takedowns and grappling and will help me more for wrestling. Is this true?
03-22-2006, 08:58 PM
Originally Posted by meh
I didn't say to avoid training from the bottom.
My point is that being on the back is an inferior position and takedowns, reversals and escapes to get out from the bottom are important which is also what you are saying.
03-22-2006, 09:08 PM
karategirl bjj is all about technique not strenght. Even tho cats are way havier than you, if you have the better technique you will win. That's how it goes. I take bjj myself and make big cats tap all the time. Since you just started, try to go for the chokes, which in my opinion for a beginner is the easiest submission to perform.
Mason, bjj is mostly submissions, but it does have some very effective takedowns
03-22-2006, 10:50 PM
You just started. Currently I am a purple belt. I only understand the game a little bit.Originally Posted by karategirl
03-23-2006, 08:39 AM
I understand what you are saying. Your point about the bottom being bad could be confusing to new students because they willl be on the bottom alot in practice. This may or may not occur if in a fight or in a competition. The guard is exceptionally important if you are on your back.
Many traditional martial artists used to say that they didn't need any grappling because they could not be taken down-even though they never trained takedowns and defense against takedowns. In the same line of thinking, I didn't want her to get the impression that she shouldn't train on her back because it is an inferior position.
03-23-2006, 09:20 AM
Thanks for all of your advice guys.
Right now I am going to concentrate on technique and once I have become more confident I will probably post a ton more questions
Bottom or top, I suck right now
03-23-2006, 09:38 AM
I feel that relaxation and breathing to be key to maintaining proper form/technique. Your backgroung being Karate, which is a hard style art, would not really focus on this aspect of training. You may consider taking some Tai Chi classes if you have the spare time as it will teach you how to relax and meditate. I train in a softer style martial art (Tum Pai Kajukenbo) where tendon strength and internal energy take precedence over muscle strength and external energy. Let me tell you, when I am not relaxed and focused on keeping my air low the big guys just toss me around like a set of 12lb DB's. It is absolutely amazing how strong someone will think you are while using inner chi and tendons, even my scrawney little 170lbs. FWIW
03-23-2006, 11:11 AM
LOL that is so true.Originally Posted by bpmartyr
In my last class, my instructor was watching me performing a couple of techniques and when i had finished, he laughed at me as I had held my breath the whole time
Now that I am aware of it, I concentrate on my breathing much more and find it a lot easier.
03-23-2006, 12:53 PM
Pulling strength is huge and prolly more important than pressing strength. Your gonna get good at the guard position being smaller than everyone. Knock them off balance with your legs or wait for them to get off balance and you can sweep with ease.
It's gonna take time so don't get discouraged!
03-23-2006, 03:46 PM
03-23-2006, 03:50 PM
Sweet, I love it, although I get pretty bruised up, the floor at my school is not padded enough. Looks good the next day in work though, nobody comes near me as they think I am psycho.Originally Posted by Mason
I always come in with some type of injury from all the stuff that I do.
Love it though, let me know how you get on.
03-23-2006, 04:25 PM
03-25-2006, 10:32 AM
i am also thinking about starting, but want to get in better shape before i start... my cardio is pretty pathetic at the moment, damn smoking...
Anyhow, whenever i decide to get started, i will be training at Renzo Gracie's academy in NYC. Where does everyone else train?
03-25-2006, 11:19 PM
Practice shrimp crawling and other basic techniques you use on you're back. If you have good mobility on your back your guard will develop much quicker. You can practice these techniques while your at home watching TV. The more your muscles get used to basic BJJ movements on your back the more likely you will be able to get back to guard when someone mounts you. Practice the basics and your BJJ game will develop. Bye the way, do some jump roping to build your cardio. If you just do the above things and stay consistant at rolling you'll be at least "hanging" in no time.
03-28-2006, 09:25 PM
For fast strength gain, try isometrics. You can get incredibly strong without gaining much weight. With optimal stimulation, you can achieve maxiumum strength gain of about 5% a week.Originally Posted by karategirl
Yes it will complement your striking art.Originally Posted by karategirl
BJJ is an effective sport fighting art. But don't count on it to save you if you are attacked outside of the ring. Real world self defence is a function of many factors, with direct hand to hand fighting being the lowest priority. Don't be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Don't hang around the wrong crowd. Don't go down the dark alley alone. Keep your place locked, secured and lighted. Becareful with the people you go out with. etc etc etc.. Things that your parents, elders and teachers have always warned you about. Paying attention to those factors, goes a long way to ensure personal safety.
If you make yourself a target, then when you get assaulted, it will be when you are least expecting it and you would NOT be prepared. That is the way the criminal predators work. They choose the time and place that is most favourable to them and least favourable to you. They will be ready and you will not. Neither karate nor BJJ will help alot, when you are overcome by a surprise attack, and totally overwhelmed before you can do much. BJJ or karate is not going to do a lot if some pervert jumps you and clubbed you on the head.
03-28-2006, 10:52 PM
I don't think Isometrics are going to help you that much. The reality is you'll always be at a strength disadvantage even if the guy is your weight. I've had to roll with numerous women due to my lower weight and their strength just couldn't compare. Even one who was 6ft and 150 with a fair bit of muscle wasn't as strong as guys who were 143lbs.
But it has been my experience that women are more technically sound because of this strength disparity. They can't use brute strength so they have to rely more on proper form. Also women seem to have better endurance especially in the lower body.
I think part of the problem is the people you're rolling with. They have a distinct weight ansd strength advantage but they whould go easy on you as a result. But I'm sure you're rolling with other white belts so ego invariably gets in the way. It's not uncommon for them to injure one another as they prove their worth and showcase their alledged talents. My school makes whites roll with higher belts so they won't get out of hand else they know thier ass will be handed to them. It would always piss me off seeing a white belt trying a full force can opener/neck crank on a their partner especially women. Because of these incidences we have whites roll with higher belts ot keep them in line. Perhaps your school will consider this. You could address your concerns to the instructor and chances are if you roll with a higher level bjj practioner they'll be more accomodating and beneficial to your training.
03-28-2006, 11:08 PM
Totally overwhelmed meaning hit by a bat or shot by a gun because if some fool jumps my back and does not have any BJJ training. I will get his back real quick.Originally Posted by BioHazzard
03-28-2006, 11:10 PM
I have noticed that when I get a BJJ from my wife training is about the same afterwords. Maybe I'm a bit more relaxed.
03-28-2006, 11:28 PM
Thanks for the advice guys, I am not ever hoping to have to use any self defence skills but it is nice to just know that if I was in the wrong place at the wrong time then I would have at least a couple of back up plans.
I am rolling with other white belts right now, and I have not managed to roll with any of the more experienced ones yet, but I hope to soon.
I am really enjoying the classes and learning a lot, I have the shrimp down really well, I think thats due to both my flexibility and strength, but I still struggle with the sweeps. I know I have a lot to learn, and the classes are small enough that in an hour and a half class I actually get a lot done.
I will update as a go along.
03-29-2006, 12:11 AM
So, that's your argument against Isometrics?Originally Posted by ersatz
Isometrics is a key to getting insanely strong. It is a proven method. It is not the only key. But it is an extremely effective one. There is more to it than just isometrics. But let's just leave it at that.
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