Royce Gracie back in the UFC
- 01-18-2006, 12:11 AM
- 01-18-2006, 10:58 AM
01-18-2006, 12:09 PM
Rickson will never fight any of the top guys now...I don't even think he's fought anyone good in the last few years.
Was his last MMA Fight against Takada?!
I think it's more that Royce never improved his standup. You can't be successful in MMA without knowing everything, standup (kickboxing), grappling (submissions, escapes). Renzo is more of a complete fighter than Royce.Thats not because he isn't good....its because they have such different styles....I have seen Sakuraba trashed in fights too.
Silva obviously has Sakuraba's number...also, I think Sak's prime is over. (he's still one of my favs though)
Very much looking forward to Penn/St. Pierre
01-18-2006, 01:12 PM
What stinks about this fight is that it's another novelty match that further delays GSP and Penn getting a shot at the welterweight belt.
yup i'm pretty sure its due to the fact they made hughes one of their stars by putting him on the TUF 2 show and want to make sure he stays at the top at least for a while. thats why hes gonna prolly end up fighting riggs, royce, and karo (all guys they dont expect him to have much problem with) before fighting either of the two guys all the hardcore fans know theres a great chance of him losing to (gsp and penn). my prediction is hughes by decision over royce. hughes definitely isnt 100% submission proof though. hallman subbed him twice in like 20 seconds but i'll give it to hughes that was a while ago hes improved since. however other submission guys he's had trouble with recently charuto (i still think charuto beat hughes in that fight) and bj penn (where bj tapped hughes out in the first round). of course bj penn is a lot more well rounded then royce though and thats the difference maker.
01-18-2006, 04:34 PM
01-18-2006, 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
Arlovski will mop the floor with Sylvia....I just don't see that being that great of a fight.
I want to see GSP AND BJ get a shot at Hughes.....I think that either one of them could beat Hughes and all of those fights will be good ones. At that level of competition, you just never know what will happen. They all possess the ability to win IMO.
01-18-2006, 09:20 PM
01-18-2006, 10:08 PM
I don't know Hughes had a lot of trouble with Verissimo's jiu-jitsu(should've lost the decision), and Royce has even better jiu-jitsu then Verissimo. Have you guys seen Royce vs. Yoshida 2? I mean Royce pretty much handled Yoshida(albeit Yoshida was not at his best) and he's a 220 pound Judo GOLD MEDALIST. Royce may get tossed around a bit, but I think he'll come out on top. Don't forget that Hughes' weakness is his sub defense, can anyone say Dennis Hallman.
01-19-2006, 10:51 AM
Damn, I am starting to like him more and more. The guys has got heart thats for sure.Taken from UG Forum
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OK, lets put this to rest right now. You want to know my rationale for taking this fight. Because I like challanges, and this will be a challange. People on here sit around and talk a lot of sh*t, Akebono is a chump and anyone with a blue belt level can beat him, really - 320 over my weight, and I submitted him in 2min 13 sec, untill you have tryed that do not talk. The guys I beat in the UFC any blue belt can beat them, well next time you see Ken or Kimo or Dan Severn or Patt Smith, I suggest you bring that up to them, and hope you have your blue belt on, its not going to help you.
I like challanges, and this is a challange that is why I took the fight, I am taking a pay cut to fight this one, and also fighting under standard UFC rules, I can't even wear gi pants.
01-19-2006, 11:07 AM
He must of spent alot of time mastering the ancient art of **** talking. However, he apparently missed the day they covered the sweet science of spelling.
01-19-2006, 11:09 AM
01-19-2006, 11:11 AM
01-19-2006, 11:41 AM
01-19-2006, 11:54 AM
01-19-2006, 12:20 PM
I disagree. UFC has always like big smack-talking sluggers who put on exciting matches despite all the talk about bring the sport into mainstream.Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
Baroni and Riggs get plenty of chances at title shots while UFC did alot to keep the title away from Lindland and finally fired him. It might interest you to know that for a time UFC had problems with Couture who was kept out from 97-2000. And Randy had to walk thru some really tough guys to get to the top. Apparently one soft-spoken balding champ is more than enough.
Franklin and Arlovski are primarily strikers which is what UFC and SpikeTV prefers.
01-19-2006, 12:29 PM
Royce is past his prime for sure. He got dominated and would've lost a fairly close decision against a 145 featherweight Tokoro 3 weeks ago at K-1 bye. Tokoro had barely 1 week notice to replace Aikiyama who was supposed to fight Royce. Luckily Royce had special rules (no judges) and a 30lb weight advantage so the fight was a automatic draw.Originally Posted by drunk
On the other hand Hughes has had alot of trouble with subs.
Sure Royce had no problems taking people down in the old days of UFC when there were tons of really clueless 'fighters'. Royce started the myth that being on the bottom is actually advantageous.
01-19-2006, 05:17 PM
I have not seen the Tokoro fight yet, but if you say he got dominated I guess he did. I guess it depends which Royce shows up, If its the Royce that dominated Yoshida, then it should be a great fight. Does anyone think Hughes is gonna keep it standing? I think they'll tie up, it'll go to the ground(hughes on top obviously) and stay their. Should be a great fight. Not necessarily judging by this fight, but the UFC seems to be stepping it up again. I can't wait for GSP vs Penn. I'd really like to see BJ get punished.
01-21-2006, 11:33 PM
striking - hughes
wrestling - hughes
submissions - royce
strength - hughes
cardio - ??
takedowns - hughes
on paper, hughes should win this fight, but you never know. he has had problems with jiu-jitsu fighters in the past. but bj and charuto are better jiu-jitsu artists than royce especially bj.
01-21-2006, 11:35 PM
01-22-2006, 07:04 AM
01-22-2006, 09:02 AM
Let the games begin Maybe we could have a board sponsored thread on who will win and at what time the match will end. Maybe the clown can set up a prize for this contest in the contest section . Something like "can you guess the winner, round, and final time....the winner gets an AM shirt".....I don't know.....I just pounded some coffee and had to type something...
01-22-2006, 12:34 PM
Oh your crazy. No way Charuto and BJ are better jiu-jitsu players then Royce. They are both really good MMA fighters, and have better stand-up and takedowns then Royce, but Royce's jiu-jitsu is top notch. I hate to harp on the Yoshida match, but it proves a lot. You really think Charuto or BJ could've handled Yoshida like that. Did you watch BJ vs. Renzo? Renzo has just as good jiu-jitsu as BJ, and Royce's jiu-jitsu is much better then Renzo's. Besides BJ's wins over Hughes(would'nt happen again) and Gomi(would love to see that rematch) he has'nt showed me much. I mean 150 pound lil evil whooped on him. Wow, I'm done hating on BJ, can't wait for GSP to destroy him.Originally Posted by tiqdude808
01-22-2006, 05:22 PM
I feel Royce is going have alot of trouble with Hughes and he is way past his prime. Royce is probably going to try to pull guard and buttflop which isn't going to help him with the judges.
01-23-2006, 03:31 PM
good argument, but my main point is that Hughes brings more to the table than Royce and I think Hughes will be able to nullify his jiu-jitsu skills because Hughes is superior in all other aspects of the game. I see Hughes controlling this fight.Originally Posted by Alexander
01-23-2006, 11:49 PM
01-24-2006, 12:06 AM
01-24-2006, 12:09 AM
You're probably right about him controlling the fight, but there is a decent chance that during that ground control Royce could slip a sub in.Originally Posted by tiqdude808
01-24-2006, 08:22 AM
Originally Posted by Alexander
Only if they don't stand them up too fast....the new rules are definitely in Hughes' favor.
01-25-2006, 12:19 AM
You're probably right about him controlling the fight, but there is a decent chance that during that ground control Royce could slip a sub in.
Yup. If Hughes isnt careful he could end up tapping. Hopefully he improved since getting choked out by BJ and winning a very close (imo controversial) decision against Charuto. But Matt is Champ for a reason and has prolly improved his sub-defense. Wouldnt it be funny if Matt taps Royce? I mean like if Royce gets caught in a choke and goes to sleep. Royce would never tap, anyone who seen him fight and knows what he is about, knows that he rather die than tap. Unlikely that he will be in that kind of situation though.
01-25-2006, 01:32 AM
One thing I learned about Royce watching him in the early days of the UFC: never underestimate him. He's always got a chance.
Matt Hughes is incredibly strong, much stronger than Royce, but Royce is the master technician. It's going to be strength versus technique. Matt will probably try to overpower Royce, and Royce, in turn, will probably bide his time and wait for Matt to make a mistake.
If Royce can counter Matt's strength, it'll go his way. If not, Matt is going to take it.
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