Royce Gracie back in the UFC
- 01-19-2006, 11:09 AM
- 01-19-2006, 11:11 AM
- 01-19-2006, 11:41 AM
01-19-2006, 11:54 AM
01-19-2006, 12:20 PM
I disagree. UFC has always like big smack-talking sluggers who put on exciting matches despite all the talk about bring the sport into mainstream.Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
Baroni and Riggs get plenty of chances at title shots while UFC did alot to keep the title away from Lindland and finally fired him. It might interest you to know that for a time UFC had problems with Couture who was kept out from 97-2000. And Randy had to walk thru some really tough guys to get to the top. Apparently one soft-spoken balding champ is more than enough.
Franklin and Arlovski are primarily strikers which is what UFC and SpikeTV prefers.
01-19-2006, 12:29 PM
Royce is past his prime for sure. He got dominated and would've lost a fairly close decision against a 145 featherweight Tokoro 3 weeks ago at K-1 bye. Tokoro had barely 1 week notice to replace Aikiyama who was supposed to fight Royce. Luckily Royce had special rules (no judges) and a 30lb weight advantage so the fight was a automatic draw.Originally Posted by drunk
On the other hand Hughes has had alot of trouble with subs.
Sure Royce had no problems taking people down in the old days of UFC when there were tons of really clueless 'fighters'. Royce started the myth that being on the bottom is actually advantageous.
01-19-2006, 05:17 PM
I have not seen the Tokoro fight yet, but if you say he got dominated I guess he did. I guess it depends which Royce shows up, If its the Royce that dominated Yoshida, then it should be a great fight. Does anyone think Hughes is gonna keep it standing? I think they'll tie up, it'll go to the ground(hughes on top obviously) and stay their. Should be a great fight. Not necessarily judging by this fight, but the UFC seems to be stepping it up again. I can't wait for GSP vs Penn. I'd really like to see BJ get punished.
01-21-2006, 11:33 PM
striking - hughes
wrestling - hughes
submissions - royce
strength - hughes
cardio - ??
takedowns - hughes
on paper, hughes should win this fight, but you never know. he has had problems with jiu-jitsu fighters in the past. but bj and charuto are better jiu-jitsu artists than royce especially bj.
01-21-2006, 11:35 PM
01-22-2006, 07:04 AM
01-22-2006, 09:02 AM
Let the games begin Maybe we could have a board sponsored thread on who will win and at what time the match will end. Maybe the clown can set up a prize for this contest in the contest section . Something like "can you guess the winner, round, and final time....the winner gets an AM shirt".....I don't know.....I just pounded some coffee and had to type something...
01-22-2006, 12:34 PM
Oh your crazy. No way Charuto and BJ are better jiu-jitsu players then Royce. They are both really good MMA fighters, and have better stand-up and takedowns then Royce, but Royce's jiu-jitsu is top notch. I hate to harp on the Yoshida match, but it proves a lot. You really think Charuto or BJ could've handled Yoshida like that. Did you watch BJ vs. Renzo? Renzo has just as good jiu-jitsu as BJ, and Royce's jiu-jitsu is much better then Renzo's. Besides BJ's wins over Hughes(would'nt happen again) and Gomi(would love to see that rematch) he has'nt showed me much. I mean 150 pound lil evil whooped on him. Wow, I'm done hating on BJ, can't wait for GSP to destroy him.Originally Posted by tiqdude808
01-22-2006, 05:22 PM
I feel Royce is going have alot of trouble with Hughes and he is way past his prime. Royce is probably going to try to pull guard and buttflop which isn't going to help him with the judges.
01-23-2006, 03:31 PM
good argument, but my main point is that Hughes brings more to the table than Royce and I think Hughes will be able to nullify his jiu-jitsu skills because Hughes is superior in all other aspects of the game. I see Hughes controlling this fight.Originally Posted by Alexander
01-23-2006, 11:49 PM
01-24-2006, 12:06 AM
01-24-2006, 12:09 AM
You're probably right about him controlling the fight, but there is a decent chance that during that ground control Royce could slip a sub in.Originally Posted by tiqdude808
01-24-2006, 08:22 AM
Originally Posted by Alexander
Only if they don't stand them up too fast....the new rules are definitely in Hughes' favor.
01-25-2006, 12:19 AM
You're probably right about him controlling the fight, but there is a decent chance that during that ground control Royce could slip a sub in.
Yup. If Hughes isnt careful he could end up tapping. Hopefully he improved since getting choked out by BJ and winning a very close (imo controversial) decision against Charuto. But Matt is Champ for a reason and has prolly improved his sub-defense. Wouldnt it be funny if Matt taps Royce? I mean like if Royce gets caught in a choke and goes to sleep. Royce would never tap, anyone who seen him fight and knows what he is about, knows that he rather die than tap. Unlikely that he will be in that kind of situation though.
01-25-2006, 01:32 AM
One thing I learned about Royce watching him in the early days of the UFC: never underestimate him. He's always got a chance.
Matt Hughes is incredibly strong, much stronger than Royce, but Royce is the master technician. It's going to be strength versus technique. Matt will probably try to overpower Royce, and Royce, in turn, will probably bide his time and wait for Matt to make a mistake.
If Royce can counter Matt's strength, it'll go his way. If not, Matt is going to take it.
02-16-2006, 12:18 PM
Hughes Should Stick To His Ground And Pound Game,, If He Tries To Work Something Else On The Ground He Will Be Tapping
02-17-2006, 12:32 AM
Even though Royce is outmatched in strength and age,don't ever count out a bjj black belt. I have been training bjj and mma for the past 5 years. I am pretty decent at bjj and weigh a pretty lean 220. I have also had my ass handed to me by really experienced bjj guys that weigh 160. At other times I have tapped out state champ level wrestlers pretty quickly. I myself have trained with some brazilian black belts and I can tell you that they don't believe in giving up or tapping out. I do believe that gracie would need to keep it on the ground if he wants a chance. But then again you would think by now that the gracies would invest some more time training standup. I myself see alot of local fighters that have better all around skill than anyone from 5 years ago. All mixed martial artists are vulnerable in one aspect of their game. Even though hughes is a better "all around" fighter he may be very vulnerable to Royces level of bjj. About all mma fighters know bjj and how to defend against most of the basic techniques but Royce is on a different level than your typical "cross trained" mma fighter. But then again Matt Hughes wrestling is on a different level than most "cross trained" fighters. In my experience I would much rather fight a strong wrestler than a skinny bjj world class black belt (they are just too squirmy and full of tricks). Well guys i have definately ranted more than normal JMO.. Peace.
02-17-2006, 10:33 AM
02-17-2006, 02:00 PM
Hughes Got Lucky Against Newton,, He Was Passing Out Already,, But Newton Wasnt Ready For The Drop,,
02-17-2006, 02:37 PM
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if Royce is doing very little, if any, training in other areas.
I can definitely see him coming into this fight with the mindset "I dominated with pure BJJ back in the day and I can do it again now." In other words, he may to try to prove the "superiority" of the art his family developed.
02-19-2006, 12:43 PM
Absolutely not. Royce was an MMA competitor from the beginning. I don't recall Royce being really great at pure BJJ. Wallid proved that he was better when he choked Royce unconcious.Originally Posted by Sir Savage
02-19-2006, 05:34 PM
Wallis shoked Royce unconcious,, i wonder if he would have the guts to call out Rickson to a bjj match,, haha
02-19-2006, 07:27 PM
Matt Hughes has always proved everyone wrong. He comes into every fight ready. However this time he will have his hands full. My best friend trained with Royce a year ago and he said the guy hasnt lost a step. He sparred with him after training and he said the guy kicked everyones ass. So this fight should go the distance
02-19-2006, 08:07 PM
Big Bump to that Jarhead... Hughes is in his prime right now, Royce is a legend and his skills are without a doubt the best, but I don't think that he will be able to keep up with Hughes at all. The sport has changed a lot and I think that Hughes will be in control of the fight. I can definitly seeing it end by Hughes slamming him then submitting him. I just don't think that Royce can get into this fight as much as Hughes will be. Just my opinion though..cuz all it takes is a quick shot out of no where = ]Originally Posted by jarhead
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