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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    He did just that to Big Nog - twice. This loss was, in my opinion, a combination of overconfidence and complacency on Fedor's part.
    Exactly... He had a little flurry where he landed a glancing punch to the breadbasket... one to the head... Werdrum wasn't nearly as dazed as Fedor thought... Fedor attacked with full abandon, and fell straight into Werdrum's guard.

    Not saying Werdrum planned it that way, but if he did - it was executed perfectly. As soon as he wrapped his calf around his head, I knew it was a wrap... Not many guys can get out of a triangle that deep without passing the f out.


  2. lol i love how he gave it just one solemn tap
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Bionic View Post
    You all will think I'm b.s.'ing if I said that called this to my friends an hour before the fight. I've been feeling it since this fight was announced. I'm glad that now people will, hopefully, shut up about him being the best P4P and whatnot but also sad because I wanted to see Overeem smash him before coming to the UFC.

    EDIT: Behold! A pale horse! Is that Pestilence?
    While I can't agree that Overeem would "smash" him , you are def not alone in picking Werdum . I was able to win back part of the money I lost on the Arlovski/Fedor fight . I can't get into the whole P4P arguement because it is based on "what if they were all the same weight class" mentalilty and the truth is that they arent and never will be so I don't sweat the imaginary .Still think he is one of the best fighters ever but he was bested on Sat . Mad props to Fabricio for manning up and meeting the challenge .

  4. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    lol i love how he gave it just one solemn tap
    Funny how you could read the full gambit of human emotion from his single tap...

  5. The unfortunate issue is that, despite all the promulgation from bloggers, "MMA writers" - the uninformed stench they are - and fans alike, Fedor's loss gives us no definitive indication as to how we ought to consider him now, or in his prime.

    Had the win been a protracted battle where Fedor showed perseverance, but was clearly and consistently beaten by a more technically proficient and conditioned opponent, in all facets of the game, we would have some clear indication of his current status. It would show that, indeed, his record has been tremendously inflated over the past few years viz., fighting sub-par opponents.

    (And for the record, his opponents has been sub-par - it pains me to say that, being a massive Fedor fan - and the "former UFC champions" argument is moot: Mark Coleman is an exemplar of how little being a former UFC champion means, and Fedor's loss is an exemplar of how opponents must be considered according to their statuses at the time of battle. Things change quite quickly!)

    But due to the speed of Werdum's win, we are left with considerably more questions - well, we should be honest here: excuses to make on Fedor's behalf - than we are answers. "Was it conditioning? Overconfidence? Has time caught up with Fedor?"
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  6. Taken from the post fight interview...no trash talking and to the point,

    "Emelianenko, who was said to have been consoling his sullen team members backstage afterward, was characteristically calm following the defeat, smiling to the press as he answered questions.

    “It happens that I was made kind of an idol,” said Emelianenko. “Everybody loses. That happens. I’m an ordinary human being, as is all of us and if it is God’s will, the next fight I will win.”

    http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Fed...-Mistake-25350

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Cordeen View Post
    Taken from the post fight interview...no trash talking and to the point,

    "Emelianenko, who was said to have been consoling his sullen team members backstage afterward, was characteristically calm following the defeat, smiling to the press as he answered questions.

    “It happens that I was made kind of an idol,” said Emelianenko. “Everybody loses. That happens. I’m an ordinary human being, as is all of us and if it is God’s will, the next fight I will win.”

    http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Fed...-Mistake-25350
    And that is why he is and always will be a great ambassador for the sport . Such class it's unreal for the world we live in . Bottom line is that he was bested in this match . Werdum didn't beat an over-the-hill Fedor or a Fedor who let his training slip , he beat the greatest and I gotta give credit where it's due . Fedor is still awesome and has got a lot of fights to go if he wants .

  8. Quote Originally Posted by sonofsteven View Post
    And that is why he is and always will be a great ambassador for the sport . Such class it's unreal for the world we live in . Bottom line is that he was bested in this match . Werdum didn't beat an over-the-hill Fedor or a Fedor who let his training slip , he beat the greatest and I gotta give credit where it's due . Fedor is still awesome and has got a lot of fights to go if he wants .
    I agree...he sets the example of how a true fighter should be.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Cordeen View Post
    Taken from the post fight interview...no trash talking and to the point,

    "Emelianenko, who was said to have been consoling his sullen team members backstage afterward, was characteristically calm following the defeat, smiling to the press as he answered questions.

    “It happens that I was made kind of an idol,” said Emelianenko. “Everybody loses. That happens. I’m an ordinary human being, as is all of us and if it is God’s will, the next fight I will win.”

    http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Fed...-Mistake-25350
    Classy.

  10. Anyone ever curious what Fedor would do at light heavyweight...?

    Gotta respect the fact that he operates at ~20% BF against guys that are significantly larger and stronger than he is.

  11. I think he's getting too old to switch weight....it would have been interesting to see though....but from the get go based on his destruction of opponents he's obviously a natural born fighter with great discipline yet his appearance has always been deceiving....actually I'm pretty sure push ups and running is all he does for fitness outside of fighting....it's more attitude than skill to be a great fighter (that goes back to a primal thing...like joe rogan says...the "alpha male"....lol) and fedor has always had a lot.....that's just my opinion.

  12. Yeah, he works almost exclusively with body weight exercises... push-ups, pull-ups, dips, etc...

    Gotta wonder if he ever puts any thought into his diet though... I mean his cardio and speed are on point - but he obviously eats for energy and replenishment, but really has no other criteria it seems.

    I'm sure some nuthugger will jump on this and say that he's perfect in every way... but I digress - that much extra weight does nothing beneficial for him.

  13. Yeah I wonder?...you'd think it would make him that much better...but would it?...the way he is now is what has always made him Fedor...and it has served him well...he's certainly been the exception to the rule when it comes to appearance...and he'll be back...and he will win!!...but I hope he chooses the right time to retire....because you can only go but so far....even Michael Jordan could only hold the reins for so long.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    Funny how you could read the full gambit of human emotion from his single tap...

    was that intended to be a smart comment? i saw a lot of emotion in that moment, he was almost fascinated with the outcome having never faced defeat. you also never see someone tap just once, they make sure their arm doesnt get snapped. fedor was just in such disbelief.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    was that intended to be a smart comment? i saw a lot of emotion in that moment, he was almost fascinated with the outcome having never faced defeat. you also never see someone tap just once, they make sure their arm doesnt get snapped. fedor was just in such disbelief.
    No no... quite the opposite. Seriously could read so much from that tap - dissapointment, disbelief, sadness, reluctance, etc...

    Pain wasn't one of them though.

  16. rodja and timberlakers are the only ones in this thread i give credit to.... seeing as they both do mma. But i think you all are looking to far into it. He knows he screwed up and he wants a rematch. In my opinion im sure fedor was thinking it would be a stand up match.. but who really knows what was going on in his head.. He'll fight again, did he get too confident... i'd say yes... he got caught in a triangle and and armbar... imo it happens very easily (the reason I say this is b/c when I roll at lutter's gym im always looking for an arm bar, so im assuming its safe to say Werdum was scared and reacted with his last defense... the triangle, then the arm bar). Fedor is still the last czar and is still probably the most feared fear heavyweight along with Lesnar... (In no way am I comparing Lesnar to Fedor).

  17. I doubt Werdum was scared - probably the complete opposite, considering where the fight was taking place. The moment he saw Fedor recklessly diving into his guard, he was most likely completely absent of fear. If anything, he was most confident at that moment: Fedor's skin was dry, he was throwing looping punches into a closed guard, and he did not avoid the risk of the first attempt.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    I doubt Werdum was scared - probably the complete opposite, considering where the fight was taking place. The moment he saw Fedor recklessly diving into his guard, he was most likely completely absent of fear. If anything, he was most confident at that moment: Fedor's skin was dry, he was throwing looping punches into a closed guard, and he did not avoid the risk of the first attempt.
    Whoa there Mullet....apparently if you dont "do mma" you have no credibility on this topic. (wtf?)

    All kidding aside, I agree. Any fear he had was gone once the fight went to the mat.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by crowpass View Post
    rodja and timberlakers are the only ones in this thread i give credit to.... seeing as they both do mma. But i think you all are looking to far into it. He knows he screwed up and he wants a rematch. In my opinion im sure fedor was thinking it would be a stand up match.. but who really knows what was going on in his head.. He'll fight again, did he get too confident... i'd say yes... he got caught in a triangle and and armbar... imo it happens very easily (the reason I say this is b/c when I roll at lutter's gym im always looking for an arm bar, so im assuming its safe to say Werdum was scared and reacted with his last defense... the triangle, then the arm bar). Fedor is still the last czar and is still probably the most feared fear heavyweight along with Lesnar... (In no way am I comparing Lesnar to Fedor).
    There's quite a few credible guys in here... You don't necessarily need to fight to have a solid opinion on the matter.

    I have to agree with Mullet. There's no way Werdrum was scared with Fedor in his guard throwing looping headshots. I thought I saw a little trepidation during the initial flurry and fall, but after that he seemed very calm and collected.

  20. I mean, if I were Werdum - thank the tuxedo shirt-wearing baby Jesus I am not, as he looks like some terrible sea creature - I would have been elated when Fedor setup my game-plan for me.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    Does anybody think there will be a controversy with the "tap?" I mean it was a single tap and usually it has to be taps in session. One could even make the argument it wasnt even really a tap, that he was merely putting his hand on Werdum's thigh. I can just see the hardcore Fedor fans saying things like that.

    My friend was crushed after watching it. It was like a kid finding out Santa Claus isnt real. It was a little scary and funny at the same time. I mean Im a Fedor fan and wanted him to win. It shocked me but my world isnt coming to an end lol. I do know that Strikeforce got a little less interesting last night.

    But man I did like seeing Cung Le destroy Scott Smith. Plus Cyborg destroyed that girl it was sad to watch after a while. 7 minutes of pure ass kicking.
    Yeah everyone loses eventually...the mark comes from those that rebound.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    There's quite a few credible guys in here... You don't necessarily need to fight to have a solid opinion on the matter.

    I have to agree with Mullet. There's no way Werdrum was scared with Fedor in his guard throwing looping headshots. I thought I saw a little trepidation during the initial flurry and fall, but after that he seemed very calm and collected.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    I mean, if I were Werdum - thank the tuxedo shirt-wearing baby Jesus I am not, as he looks like some terrible sea creature - I would have been elated when Fedor setup my game-plan for me.
    COuldnt agree more. This was the perfect scenario (ending) for Werdum. A dry Fedor, bascially jumps into his guard and lays himself in for an easy sub.

    I have to say, I was not stunned he lost, but how he did it. In my thoughts I always believed Fedor would lose to a guy of a similar ilk to Brock (much bigger and stronger with excellent wrestling) who would just control him and pummel him on the ground. I still say Fedor is the HW GOAT, but I do not believe he is #1 anymore I think the game has changed a great deal and heavyweights now are far more skilled and so friggin big, that the matchups for Fedor would be very difficult

  23. One thing this definitely does do... is make the UFC appear exceptionally business savy (yet again)...

    A fighter looking to co-promote sets a dangerous precident in the sport. UFC saying thanks, but no thanks, to Fedor last year was the right move.

  24. Well, if you guys havnt seen it yet, its official. Sherdogs rankings came out and Brocks #1. So even if Fedor goes 10-0 until he retires, he will probably never regain the top ranking unless he goes to the UFC. We can only hope.


    BTW, if anybody doesnt know how much of a douche Tito is, check out his comments about this fight. Among the arrogance he says Fedor is "Not even a top heavyweight" and Werdum is "young and up and coming". Werdum and Fedor are 10 months apart in age.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Vtaper View Post
    Well, if you guys havnt seen it yet, its official. Sherdogs rankings came out and Brocks #1. So even if Fedor goes 10-0 until he retires, he will probably never regain the top ranking unless he goes to the UFC. We can only hope.


    BTW, if anybody doesnt know how much of a douche Tito is, check out his comments about this fight. Among the arrogance he says Fedor is "Not even a top heavyweight" and Werdum is "young and up and coming". Werdum and Fedor are 10 months apart in age.
    1. Tito is a douche. In fact, he's been nominated for biggest douche in the universe.

    2. Rankings really don't mean jack and Sherdog's level of respect is very, very low.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  26. The recent business history for the UFC, on appearances alone, have looked phenomenal:

    1. Refusing to pay Dan Henderson his asking price, who then promptly lost to Jake Shields.

    2. Refusing to acquiesce to M1-Global's unusually ridiculous demands, and refusing to recognize Fedor as the #1 HW - who then, of course, promptly lost.

    3. Not only did Fedor lose, but he lost to an embarrassingly small audience on Showtime, more than probably demonstrating that, at this point, Fedor was not the U.S., draw we expected him to be.

    If they weren't so painfully inept, and so very abject to making the correct decisions, I would almost feel for StrikeFARCE. They gambled on what they felt were two of the UFC's best (potential) assets, who both lost rather quickly after acquiring them!

    The UFC, on the other hand, now gains an edge with subsequent negotiations, based on what the perception of these two events will ultimately be. Dana White can simply say to a manager, "Look what occurred to the last two defectors or those who decided not to sign." As well, after Saturday, Zuffa can lay claim to not only the inarguable best fighter in every division, but, also the vast majority of the top contenders.

    While I may be off, here, the only fighters who "need" to fight in the UFC at this point are:

    1. Melendez
    2. Eddie Alvarez
    3. Mo Lawal
    4. übereem
    5. Jake Shields (soon to be, at any rate).
    6. Nick Diaz

    Other than that, there are none who "need" to be fighting in the UFC - and by that, I mean that they are already fully developed fighters who ought to be fighting premiere competition. At some point, I would like to see prospects such as Del Resario, Cormier, Woodley, Askren and the like move over, but at this point, they should develop more.

    P.S., I love Bellator.

  27. I really think Ben Askren has a HUGE future in MMA. He destroyed Hornbuckle and made him look like an amateur.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  28. Mullet, you're saying your list of 1-6 should fight in the UFC because they need stronger competition?

    UFC / ZUFFA has made some great decisions... Seems like a string of 10 years with very few mistakes. I've had the opportunity to speak to them quite a bit over the past 2 months - really down to Earth guys with some big plans. I'm going to take a tour of their TV studio in early September - pretty stoked for that.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Rankings really don't mean jack and Sherdog's level of respect is very, very low.
    I know rankings dont mean much.....especially on Sherdog aka the bb.com of mma sites. I was just thinking how the UFC is going to capatilize on it even if no other reputable site ranks Brock #1. Lesnars profitability comes from attracting new fans. Now to that demographic, the past means nothing.

    I bet Golberg and Rogan mention it in the first 5 minutes on Saturday.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    Mullet, you're saying your list of 1-6 should fight in the UFC because they need stronger competition?
    Essentially, yes. But more to the point: they "need" to fight in the UFC to be considered totally legitimate in their respective divisions, IMO.
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