- 06-28-2010, 04:43 PM
Not saying Werdrum planned it that way, but if he did - it was executed perfectly. As soon as he wrapped his calf around his head, I knew it was a wrap... Not many guys can get out of a triangle that deep without passing the f out.
- 06-28-2010, 05:10 PM
06-28-2010, 05:50 PM
06-28-2010, 06:45 PM
06-28-2010, 06:51 PM
The unfortunate issue is that, despite all the promulgation from bloggers, "MMA writers" - the uninformed stench they are - and fans alike, Fedor's loss gives us no definitive indication as to how we ought to consider him now, or in his prime.
Had the win been a protracted battle where Fedor showed perseverance, but was clearly and consistently beaten by a more technically proficient and conditioned opponent, in all facets of the game, we would have some clear indication of his current status. It would show that, indeed, his record has been tremendously inflated over the past few years viz., fighting sub-par opponents.
(And for the record, his opponents has been sub-par - it pains me to say that, being a massive Fedor fan - and the "former UFC champions" argument is moot: Mark Coleman is an exemplar of how little being a former UFC champion means, and Fedor's loss is an exemplar of how opponents must be considered according to their statuses at the time of battle. Things change quite quickly!)
But due to the speed of Werdum's win, we are left with considerably more questions - well, we should be honest here: excuses to make on Fedor's behalf - than we are answers. "Was it conditioning? Overconfidence? Has time caught up with Fedor?"
06-28-2010, 06:56 PM
Taken from the post fight interview...no trash talking and to the point,
"Emelianenko, who was said to have been consoling his sullen team members backstage afterward, was characteristically calm following the defeat, smiling to the press as he answered questions.
“It happens that I was made kind of an idol,” said Emelianenko. “Everybody loses. That happens. I’m an ordinary human being, as is all of us and if it is God’s will, the next fight I will win.”
06-28-2010, 08:34 PM
06-28-2010, 08:46 PM
06-28-2010, 08:58 PM
06-28-2010, 09:00 PM
Anyone ever curious what Fedor would do at light heavyweight...?
Gotta respect the fact that he operates at ~20% BF against guys that are significantly larger and stronger than he is.
06-28-2010, 09:16 PM
I think he's getting too old to switch weight....it would have been interesting to see though....but from the get go based on his destruction of opponents he's obviously a natural born fighter with great discipline yet his appearance has always been deceiving....actually I'm pretty sure push ups and running is all he does for fitness outside of fighting....it's more attitude than skill to be a great fighter (that goes back to a primal thing...like joe rogan says...the "alpha male"....lol) and fedor has always had a lot.....that's just my opinion.
06-28-2010, 09:21 PM
Yeah, he works almost exclusively with body weight exercises... push-ups, pull-ups, dips, etc...
Gotta wonder if he ever puts any thought into his diet though... I mean his cardio and speed are on point - but he obviously eats for energy and replenishment, but really has no other criteria it seems.
I'm sure some nuthugger will jump on this and say that he's perfect in every way... but I digress - that much extra weight does nothing beneficial for him.
06-28-2010, 10:01 PM
Yeah I wonder?...you'd think it would make him that much better...but would it?...the way he is now is what has always made him Fedor...and it has served him well...he's certainly been the exception to the rule when it comes to appearance...and he'll be back...and he will win!!...but I hope he chooses the right time to retire....because you can only go but so far....even Michael Jordan could only hold the reins for so long.
06-29-2010, 10:38 AM
was that intended to be a smart comment? i saw a lot of emotion in that moment, he was almost fascinated with the outcome having never faced defeat. you also never see someone tap just once, they make sure their arm doesnt get snapped. fedor was just in such disbelief.
06-29-2010, 11:02 AM
06-29-2010, 12:28 PM
rodja and timberlakers are the only ones in this thread i give credit to.... seeing as they both do mma. But i think you all are looking to far into it. He knows he screwed up and he wants a rematch. In my opinion im sure fedor was thinking it would be a stand up match.. but who really knows what was going on in his head.. He'll fight again, did he get too confident... i'd say yes... he got caught in a triangle and and armbar... imo it happens very easily (the reason I say this is b/c when I roll at lutter's gym im always looking for an arm bar, so im assuming its safe to say Werdum was scared and reacted with his last defense... the triangle, then the arm bar). Fedor is still the last czar and is still probably the most feared fear heavyweight along with Lesnar... (In no way am I comparing Lesnar to Fedor).
06-29-2010, 12:33 PM
I doubt Werdum was scared - probably the complete opposite, considering where the fight was taking place. The moment he saw Fedor recklessly diving into his guard, he was most likely completely absent of fear. If anything, he was most confident at that moment: Fedor's skin was dry, he was throwing looping punches into a closed guard, and he did not avoid the risk of the first attempt.
06-29-2010, 01:01 PM
06-29-2010, 01:31 PM
I have to agree with Mullet. There's no way Werdrum was scared with Fedor in his guard throwing looping headshots. I thought I saw a little trepidation during the initial flurry and fall, but after that he seemed very calm and collected.
06-29-2010, 01:47 PM
I mean, if I were Werdum - thank the tuxedo shirt-wearing baby Jesus I am not, as he looks like some terrible sea creature - I would have been elated when Fedor setup my game-plan for me.
06-29-2010, 02:00 PM
06-29-2010, 03:24 PM
I have to say, I was not stunned he lost, but how he did it. In my thoughts I always believed Fedor would lose to a guy of a similar ilk to Brock (much bigger and stronger with excellent wrestling) who would just control him and pummel him on the ground. I still say Fedor is the HW GOAT, but I do not believe he is #1 anymore I think the game has changed a great deal and heavyweights now are far more skilled and so friggin big, that the matchups for Fedor would be very difficult
06-29-2010, 03:34 PM
One thing this definitely does do... is make the UFC appear exceptionally business savy (yet again)...
A fighter looking to co-promote sets a dangerous precident in the sport. UFC saying thanks, but no thanks, to Fedor last year was the right move.
06-29-2010, 05:34 PM
Well, if you guys havnt seen it yet, its official. Sherdogs rankings came out and Brocks #1. So even if Fedor goes 10-0 until he retires, he will probably never regain the top ranking unless he goes to the UFC. We can only hope.
BTW, if anybody doesnt know how much of a douche Tito is, check out his comments about this fight. Among the arrogance he says Fedor is "Not even a top heavyweight" and Werdum is "young and up and coming". Werdum and Fedor are 10 months apart in age.
06-29-2010, 05:37 PM
06-29-2010, 05:45 PM
The recent business history for the UFC, on appearances alone, have looked phenomenal:
1. Refusing to pay Dan Henderson his asking price, who then promptly lost to Jake Shields.
2. Refusing to acquiesce to M1-Global's unusually ridiculous demands, and refusing to recognize Fedor as the #1 HW - who then, of course, promptly lost.
3. Not only did Fedor lose, but he lost to an embarrassingly small audience on Showtime, more than probably demonstrating that, at this point, Fedor was not the U.S., draw we expected him to be.
If they weren't so painfully inept, and so very abject to making the correct decisions, I would almost feel for StrikeFARCE. They gambled on what they felt were two of the UFC's best (potential) assets, who both lost rather quickly after acquiring them!
The UFC, on the other hand, now gains an edge with subsequent negotiations, based on what the perception of these two events will ultimately be. Dana White can simply say to a manager, "Look what occurred to the last two defectors or those who decided not to sign." As well, after Saturday, Zuffa can lay claim to not only the inarguable best fighter in every division, but, also the vast majority of the top contenders.
While I may be off, here, the only fighters who "need" to fight in the UFC at this point are:
2. Eddie Alvarez
3. Mo Lawal
5. Jake Shields (soon to be, at any rate).
6. Nick Diaz
Other than that, there are none who "need" to be fighting in the UFC - and by that, I mean that they are already fully developed fighters who ought to be fighting premiere competition. At some point, I would like to see prospects such as Del Resario, Cormier, Woodley, Askren and the like move over, but at this point, they should develop more.
P.S., I love Bellator.
06-29-2010, 05:48 PM
I really think Ben Askren has a HUGE future in MMA. He destroyed Hornbuckle and made him look like an amateur.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
06-29-2010, 06:08 PM
Mullet, you're saying your list of 1-6 should fight in the UFC because they need stronger competition?
UFC / ZUFFA has made some great decisions... Seems like a string of 10 years with very few mistakes. I've had the opportunity to speak to them quite a bit over the past 2 months - really down to Earth guys with some big plans. I'm going to take a tour of their TV studio in early September - pretty stoked for that.
06-29-2010, 06:25 PM
I bet Golberg and Rogan mention it in the first 5 minutes on Saturday.
06-29-2010, 07:49 PM