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  1. I think it might actually be good that he lost. It takes away all the freaking mystique surrounding him. Maybe his Russian Mob handlers at M1-Global will let him fight in the UFC now.

    It was definitely a shocker though.


  2. fedor was going to finish him. his hands in person looked so fast. it was a fluke.
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  3. this fight broke my heart. fell into a triangle like a newb...im certain the strategy was to keep it on the feet and KO werdum. you cant recklessly GnP a world class jits artist

  4. I personally think he felt like Werdum was rocked more than he actually was, and that if he rushed he could get the stop right then. A shame, indeed. But props to Werdum, he will now be known as the guy that beat Fedor, quite the feat.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    this fight broke my heart. fell into a triangle like a newb...im certain the strategy was to keep it on the feet and KO werdum. you cant recklessly GnP a world class jits artist
    He did just that to Big Nog - twice. This loss was, in my opinion, a combination of overconfidence and complacency on Fedor's part.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    He did just that to Big Nog - twice. This loss was, in my opinion, a combination of overconfidence and complacency on Fedor's part.
    Exactly... He had a little flurry where he landed a glancing punch to the breadbasket... one to the head... Werdrum wasn't nearly as dazed as Fedor thought... Fedor attacked with full abandon, and fell straight into Werdrum's guard.

    Not saying Werdrum planned it that way, but if he did - it was executed perfectly. As soon as he wrapped his calf around his head, I knew it was a wrap... Not many guys can get out of a triangle that deep without passing the f out.

  7. lol i love how he gave it just one solemn tap

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Bionic View Post
    You all will think I'm b.s.'ing if I said that called this to my friends an hour before the fight. I've been feeling it since this fight was announced. I'm glad that now people will, hopefully, shut up about him being the best P4P and whatnot but also sad because I wanted to see Overeem smash him before coming to the UFC.

    EDIT: Behold! A pale horse! Is that Pestilence?
    While I can't agree that Overeem would "smash" him , you are def not alone in picking Werdum . I was able to win back part of the money I lost on the Arlovski/Fedor fight . I can't get into the whole P4P arguement because it is based on "what if they were all the same weight class" mentalilty and the truth is that they arent and never will be so I don't sweat the imaginary .Still think he is one of the best fighters ever but he was bested on Sat . Mad props to Fabricio for manning up and meeting the challenge .

  9. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    lol i love how he gave it just one solemn tap
    Funny how you could read the full gambit of human emotion from his single tap...

  10. The unfortunate issue is that, despite all the promulgation from bloggers, "MMA writers" - the uninformed stench they are - and fans alike, Fedor's loss gives us no definitive indication as to how we ought to consider him now, or in his prime.

    Had the win been a protracted battle where Fedor showed perseverance, but was clearly and consistently beaten by a more technically proficient and conditioned opponent, in all facets of the game, we would have some clear indication of his current status. It would show that, indeed, his record has been tremendously inflated over the past few years viz., fighting sub-par opponents.

    (And for the record, his opponents has been sub-par - it pains me to say that, being a massive Fedor fan - and the "former UFC champions" argument is moot: Mark Coleman is an exemplar of how little being a former UFC champion means, and Fedor's loss is an exemplar of how opponents must be considered according to their statuses at the time of battle. Things change quite quickly!)

    But due to the speed of Werdum's win, we are left with considerably more questions - well, we should be honest here: excuses to make on Fedor's behalf - than we are answers. "Was it conditioning? Overconfidence? Has time caught up with Fedor?"

  11. Taken from the post fight interview...no trash talking and to the point,

    "Emelianenko, who was said to have been consoling his sullen team members backstage afterward, was characteristically calm following the defeat, smiling to the press as he answered questions.

    “It happens that I was made kind of an idol,” said Emelianenko. “Everybody loses. That happens. I’m an ordinary human being, as is all of us and if it is God’s will, the next fight I will win.”

    http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Fed...-Mistake-25350

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Cordeen View Post
    Taken from the post fight interview...no trash talking and to the point,

    "Emelianenko, who was said to have been consoling his sullen team members backstage afterward, was characteristically calm following the defeat, smiling to the press as he answered questions.

    “It happens that I was made kind of an idol,” said Emelianenko. “Everybody loses. That happens. I’m an ordinary human being, as is all of us and if it is God’s will, the next fight I will win.”

    http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Fed...-Mistake-25350
    And that is why he is and always will be a great ambassador for the sport . Such class it's unreal for the world we live in . Bottom line is that he was bested in this match . Werdum didn't beat an over-the-hill Fedor or a Fedor who let his training slip , he beat the greatest and I gotta give credit where it's due . Fedor is still awesome and has got a lot of fights to go if he wants .

  13. Quote Originally Posted by sonofsteven View Post
    And that is why he is and always will be a great ambassador for the sport . Such class it's unreal for the world we live in . Bottom line is that he was bested in this match . Werdum didn't beat an over-the-hill Fedor or a Fedor who let his training slip , he beat the greatest and I gotta give credit where it's due . Fedor is still awesome and has got a lot of fights to go if he wants .
    I agree...he sets the example of how a true fighter should be.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Cordeen View Post
    Taken from the post fight interview...no trash talking and to the point,

    "Emelianenko, who was said to have been consoling his sullen team members backstage afterward, was characteristically calm following the defeat, smiling to the press as he answered questions.

    “It happens that I was made kind of an idol,” said Emelianenko. “Everybody loses. That happens. I’m an ordinary human being, as is all of us and if it is God’s will, the next fight I will win.”

    http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Fed...-Mistake-25350
    Classy.

  15. Anyone ever curious what Fedor would do at light heavyweight...?

    Gotta respect the fact that he operates at ~20% BF against guys that are significantly larger and stronger than he is.

  16. I think he's getting too old to switch weight....it would have been interesting to see though....but from the get go based on his destruction of opponents he's obviously a natural born fighter with great discipline yet his appearance has always been deceiving....actually I'm pretty sure push ups and running is all he does for fitness outside of fighting....it's more attitude than skill to be a great fighter (that goes back to a primal thing...like joe rogan says...the "alpha male"....lol) and fedor has always had a lot.....that's just my opinion.

  17. Yeah, he works almost exclusively with body weight exercises... push-ups, pull-ups, dips, etc...

    Gotta wonder if he ever puts any thought into his diet though... I mean his cardio and speed are on point - but he obviously eats for energy and replenishment, but really has no other criteria it seems.

    I'm sure some nuthugger will jump on this and say that he's perfect in every way... but I digress - that much extra weight does nothing beneficial for him.

  18. Yeah I wonder?...you'd think it would make him that much better...but would it?...the way he is now is what has always made him Fedor...and it has served him well...he's certainly been the exception to the rule when it comes to appearance...and he'll be back...and he will win!!...but I hope he chooses the right time to retire....because you can only go but so far....even Michael Jordan could only hold the reins for so long.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    Funny how you could read the full gambit of human emotion from his single tap...

    was that intended to be a smart comment? i saw a lot of emotion in that moment, he was almost fascinated with the outcome having never faced defeat. you also never see someone tap just once, they make sure their arm doesnt get snapped. fedor was just in such disbelief.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    was that intended to be a smart comment? i saw a lot of emotion in that moment, he was almost fascinated with the outcome having never faced defeat. you also never see someone tap just once, they make sure their arm doesnt get snapped. fedor was just in such disbelief.
    No no... quite the opposite. Seriously could read so much from that tap - dissapointment, disbelief, sadness, reluctance, etc...

    Pain wasn't one of them though.

  21. rodja and timberlakers are the only ones in this thread i give credit to.... seeing as they both do mma. But i think you all are looking to far into it. He knows he screwed up and he wants a rematch. In my opinion im sure fedor was thinking it would be a stand up match.. but who really knows what was going on in his head.. He'll fight again, did he get too confident... i'd say yes... he got caught in a triangle and and armbar... imo it happens very easily (the reason I say this is b/c when I roll at lutter's gym im always looking for an arm bar, so im assuming its safe to say Werdum was scared and reacted with his last defense... the triangle, then the arm bar). Fedor is still the last czar and is still probably the most feared fear heavyweight along with Lesnar... (In no way am I comparing Lesnar to Fedor).

  22. I doubt Werdum was scared - probably the complete opposite, considering where the fight was taking place. The moment he saw Fedor recklessly diving into his guard, he was most likely completely absent of fear. If anything, he was most confident at that moment: Fedor's skin was dry, he was throwing looping punches into a closed guard, and he did not avoid the risk of the first attempt.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    I doubt Werdum was scared - probably the complete opposite, considering where the fight was taking place. The moment he saw Fedor recklessly diving into his guard, he was most likely completely absent of fear. If anything, he was most confident at that moment: Fedor's skin was dry, he was throwing looping punches into a closed guard, and he did not avoid the risk of the first attempt.
    Whoa there Mullet....apparently if you dont "do mma" you have no credibility on this topic. (wtf?)

    All kidding aside, I agree. Any fear he had was gone once the fight went to the mat.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by crowpass View Post
    rodja and timberlakers are the only ones in this thread i give credit to.... seeing as they both do mma. But i think you all are looking to far into it. He knows he screwed up and he wants a rematch. In my opinion im sure fedor was thinking it would be a stand up match.. but who really knows what was going on in his head.. He'll fight again, did he get too confident... i'd say yes... he got caught in a triangle and and armbar... imo it happens very easily (the reason I say this is b/c when I roll at lutter's gym im always looking for an arm bar, so im assuming its safe to say Werdum was scared and reacted with his last defense... the triangle, then the arm bar). Fedor is still the last czar and is still probably the most feared fear heavyweight along with Lesnar... (In no way am I comparing Lesnar to Fedor).
    There's quite a few credible guys in here... You don't necessarily need to fight to have a solid opinion on the matter.

    I have to agree with Mullet. There's no way Werdrum was scared with Fedor in his guard throwing looping headshots. I thought I saw a little trepidation during the initial flurry and fall, but after that he seemed very calm and collected.

  25. I mean, if I were Werdum - thank the tuxedo shirt-wearing baby Jesus I am not, as he looks like some terrible sea creature - I would have been elated when Fedor setup my game-plan for me.
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