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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Bionic View Post
    Everyone's saying that about Hardy. I don't get it. "Dude, he lost in awesome fashion! He didn't quit." LOL! Talk about lowering the bar. I'm not saying you don't have a right to your opinion I just can't stand Hardy and am glad he got dominated to the point of embarrassment.
    Oh dont get me wrong I hate the SOB and I am glad he stuck it out to take more punishment lol. I was just a little shocked he didnt tap thats all. He was totally outmatched and taken down at will. It was funny when Joe Rogan would trying and talk up any little positive thing Hardy did then he had to retract it immediately bc GSP reversed it. This was us while watching the GSP dominating Hardy fight lol


  2. I don't know. Hardy was strong or maybe the submissions weren't pushed beyond his threshold. Seemed like the fight was dragged out for distance sake.
    Mir looked like he didn't flip the switch in time but Shane was certainly was on point in a big way. Maybe Mir had staph infection.
    I tried to DVR the prelims but the time slot was moved AGAIN. FU AT&T get your sht together!
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  3. Very happy that Mir lost, cant stand that SOB. Carwin v. Lesnar will be very interesting and tough to call.

    Hardy was purely dominated, but to his credit is tough. There is nothing at 170 for GSP anymore. Time for some lower echelon (Bisping, oh please let GSP crush that pr!ck)fighters at 185.

  4. For the first time in recent memory, I was not ecstatic watching my favorite fighter (GSP) fight, as the bout was a complete wash from start to finish: Hardy was never in an offensive position, was constantly reversed and taken down, outclassed on the ground, etc. Despite the fact I love seeing GSP dominate, I no longer have any interest at GSP at 170.

    Can we honestly say that another GSP/Fitch bout would play out differently? Fitch's game, while solid enough to contend and beat most WWs, has not progressed nearly enough to make an oz., of difference against GSP; Alves, while dominant, would suffer the exact same fate; and Kos, Daley and the rest are uninteresting to me as well. As AE said, GSP should move up and face a gate-keeper ala Silva v., Irvin, and test the 185lb waters while the WW division hashes out a legitimate contender.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    For the first time in recent memory, I was not ecstatic watching my favorite fighter (GSP) fight, as the bout was a complete wash from start to finish: Hardy was never in an offensive position, was constantly reversed and taken down, outclassed on the ground, etc. Despite the fact I love seeing GSP dominate, I no longer have any interest at GSP at 170.

    Can we honestly say that another GSP/Fitch bout would play out differently? Fitch's game, while solid enough to contend and beat most WWs, has not progressed nearly enough to make an oz., of difference against GSP; Alves, while dominant, would suffer the exact same fate; and Kos, Daley and the rest are uninteresting to me as well. As AE said, GSP should move up and face a gate-keeper ala Silva v., Irvin, and test the 185lb waters while the WW division hashes out a legitimate contender.
    At this point, I think that is their only option. A second Kos fight will do little, and Daley, while explosive, would look as silly IMO as Hardy. Give GSP an Okami/Leben or even Sakara at 185, so we can see how he does.
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  6. Mir almost always disappoints in the big matches IMO and I agree... time for GSP to move up a class.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    Mir almost always disappoints in the big matches IMO and I agree... time for GSP to move up a class.

    MIR did not even show up to that fight.

    DAMNNNNN he was looking past Carwin to Lesnar IMO

  8. I will say this, Carwin's power is scary. Lesnar better be very serious or he will get ko'd too. Those are some damn powerful lunchboxes

  9. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I will say this, Carwin's power is scary. Lesnar better be very serious or he will get ko'd too. Those are some damn powerful lunchboxes
    lol, I'd love to see Lesner knocked out, it would be a dream come true. Carwin is definitely one who can do it.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by FightWhiteBoi View Post
    MIR did not even show up to that fight.

    DAMNNNNN he was looking past Carwin to Lesnar IMO
    I thought this too. Sure I can see him getting challenged by wrestlers but in his last two losses (more so with Carwin) it was like he just wanted to play the cool cucumber, hang out, have a chat with his corner, and wait to engage on his terms. Seriously, he is now up against opponents that are bigger than he is; one shot can mean lights out...

  11. Mir plain got effed up.

    I never thought Hardy had a chance, but I did admire his toughness. Standing up from that dire arm-bar with a smile was just plain cool. However, like Mullet pointed out about GSP, I feel the same about BJ Penn in his current division.
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  12. the gsp fight bored me alot.. but props to hardy,that guys soooo tuff!!
    gsp to middle weight asap!!

  13. carwins left uppercuts were the highlight of the night

  14. The main reason that Mir lost was because he was so hell bent on gaining mass that he lost a tremendous amount of speed. That was really his one element over Carwin and he looked awfully slow. He just gained far too much, too quickly.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    The main reason that Mir lost was because he was so hell bent on gaining mass that he lost a tremendous amount of speed. That was really his one element over Carwin and he looked awfully slow. He just gained far too much, too quickly.
    He did look puffy in comparison to the shape in came in last fight. I think his experience with Lesnar may have given him too much of a bias toward sheer size & strength. Only Lesnar has years of carrying his body around with that much weight and Mir has new mass, which would have an effect on performance-ability.

    Carwin was the absolute highlight of any fight this year for me.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Nitrox View Post
    I thought this too. Sure I can see him getting challenged by wrestlers but in his last two losses (more so with Carwin) it was like he just wanted to play the cool cucumber, hang out, have a chat with his corner, and wait to engage on his terms. Seriously, he is now up against opponents that are bigger than he is; one shot can mean lights out...
    You are right. Why would he even be looking in his corners direction so early on. Just fight damnnnn it!!!!!
    MIR had to watch tape on Carwin, Those short punches are VERY deadly Carwin has!!!

    LOL @ COOL CUCUMBER good way to put it.

    Although MIR was looked to be in great shape!

  17. Just finished watching the fights.

    1) HORRIBLE decision on one of the early fights I thought. Wow... Guy gets taken down at will and still wins a decision was way surprising. Granted, I felt like he did try to do most of the work and damage, but still, he couldn't stop a takedown to save his life.

    2) Both Carwin and Mir put an outstanding amount of weight. Mir was looking huge at the fight, weigh in at 265 and looked good. Not so much when he had to fight though. Carwin showed his powerful hands and I really hope he can put some more weight on before fighting Brock, that would make it an unbelievable fight.

    3) GSP dominated but I can't deny I felt kinda bored... It was so 1 sided that I really didn't feel like watching it, I was just skipping through the fight.

  18. You really have to give Dan Hardy credit for his awesome strengh and defense overall!!!

    That arm bar would of had you and most MMA fighters TAPOUT.


    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Just finished watching the fights.

    1) HORRIBLE decision on one of the early fights I thought. Wow... Guy gets taken down at will and still wins a decision was way surprising. Granted, I felt like he did try to do most of the work and damage, but still, he couldn't stop a takedown to save his life.

    2) Both Carwin and Mir put an outstanding amount of weight. Mir was looking huge at the fight, weigh in at 265 and looked good. Not so much when he had to fight though. Carwin showed his powerful hands and I really hope he can put some more weight on before fighting Brock, that would make it an unbelievable fight.

    3) GSP dominated but I can't deny I felt kinda bored... It was so 1 sided that I really didn't feel like watching it, I was just skipping through the fight.

  19. Really wish the fight would have gone longer to actually see What new big body skills MIR actually brought to the ring with him!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    He did look puffy in comparison to the shape in came in last fight. I think his experience with Lesnar may have given him too much of a bias toward sheer size & strength. Only Lesnar has years of carrying his body around with that much weight and Mir has new mass, which would have an effect on performance-ability.

    Carwin was the absolute highlight of any fight this year for me.

  20. What did you guys think of the fight? GSP obviously dominated but he did not do alot of damage. You cant help but like the guy, he absolutely destroys people and is SO humble.

  21. GSP destroyed Hardy. However, I'll give Hardy credit...he showed his toughness and determination...how that guys arm didn't snap into a compound fracture I do not know.

    As for Carwin...he made Frank Mir look like a b*tch! However, while he does have powerful punches...if he gets into a power battle with Lesnar he will get his ass handed to him. I think the best chance for Carwin is to beat Lesnar with technical skill...get the big man to the ground and try to make him force a mistake and apply a submission on him. Trying to trade blows with Brock is just stupid imo. Note...I am not even that big of a Lesnar fan, but the man is a freakish athlete.

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  22. A technical skill???
    How many fights has Carwin won by technics, submission?
    NONE!!!
    Carwin trademark skill is KO power and Lesnar is going to love that approach, I forsea Lesnar controling the fight and will have some great power slams!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by SamBoz19 View Post
    GSP destroyed Hardy. However, I'll give Hardy credit...he showed his toughness and determination...how that guys arm didn't snap into a compound fracture I do not know.

    As for Carwin...he made Frank Mir look like a b*tch! However, while he does have powerful punches...if he gets into a power battle with Lesnar he will get his ass handed to him. I think the best chance for Carwin is to beat Lesnar with technical skill...get the big man to the ground and try to make him force a mistake and apply a submission on him. Trying to trade blows with Brock is just stupid imo. Note...I am not even that big of a Lesnar fan, but the man is a freakish athlete.

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  23. Quote Originally Posted by FightWhiteBoi View Post
    A technical skill???
    How many fights has Carwin won by technics, submission?
    NONE!!!
    Carwin trademark skill is KO power and Lesnar is going to love that approach, I forsea Lesnar controling the fight and will have some great power slams!!!
    Carwin is roughly the same size and it remains to be seen what, if any, strength advantage there will be. Lesnar did have problems taking down Couture despite the tremendous weight advantage between them. Lesnar still likes to take his opponent down and GnP, but this tactic may not work against Carwin. I feel like the longer the fight goes, the more it will favor Lesnar because he is closer to his natural weight and is not really a "bulked-up" version of himself.

    They both have deadly power in their hands, but it seems like Carwin has not only more power, but is better in the clinch. He has also been training longer than Brock and the layoff is going to have an incalculable detriment to his performance.
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  24. hardy did not survive, gsp let him live. gsp toyed with him for five rounds. he basically tortured him. he'd push submissions just before the break point and that was it. to me, gsp was just proving a point that he doesn't need to knock u out or submit you, rather he can just control the match and let it go his way. average round score of 50-44? one of the most lopsided title scoring in the history of the sport? come on. gsp needs to move up. there is nobody that can hang with him right now.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by FightWhiteBoi View Post
    A technical skill???
    How many fights has Carwin won by technics, submission?
    NONE!!!
    Carwin trademark skill is KO power and Lesnar is going to love that approach, I forsea Lesnar controling the fight and will have some great power slams!!!
    Carwin has power yes, but I don't think he can play that game with Lesnar. Carwin is going to have to adapt and become a better fighter to beat Lesnar...that was my point. The best fighters always learn to adapt instead of relying too much on one approach.

    However, because of Carwin's bull-headed tendency to believe he can overpower everyone I agree with you that Lesnar will control the fight and end kicking Carwin's a$$!

    Quote Originally Posted by bigpapa View Post
    hardy did not survive, gsp let him live. gsp toyed with him for five rounds. he basically tortured him. he'd push submissions just before the break point and that was it. to me, gsp was just proving a point that he doesn't need to knock u out or submit you, rather he can just control the match and let it go his way. average round score of 50-44? one of the most lopsided title scoring in the history of the sport? come on. gsp needs to move up. there is nobody that can hang with him right now.
    I agree that GSP is on a different level and needs to move up.

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  26. The GSP fight was pretty boring though and to be a great champion you have to give the fans a show. Hate to say it but I would rather watch a Penn fight over GSP or Silva at this point...both very boring to watch. I know they have skills, but as a fan...snooze

  27. Quote Originally Posted by LegalGear View Post
    The GSP fight was pretty boring though and to be a great champion you have to give the fans a show. Hate to say it but I would rather watch a Penn fight over GSP or Silva at this point...both very boring to watch. I know they have skills, but as a fan...snooze
    I agree with you in the sense that there isn't real fireworks when they fight because they quite simply outclass any man that steps into the octagon with them. GSP and Silva are two fighters that get screwed by Dana White IMO. White needs to pull his head out of his ass and actually challenge Silva and GSP and also needs to move them up a class respectively.

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