gsp vs hardy

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  1. Yeah BJ just destroyed sanchez. I think the gsp, hardy fight will be alot more interesting.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post
    personally i'd like to see fitch fight gsp again...gsp is the only loss on fitch's record for awhile now...kos just seems like he rattles of 2 or 3 wins and then losses...but the question is who will lose first, bj in his weight class, gsp in his weight class, or anderson silva in his weight class
    Fitch's career is at a crossroads right now as he has had little improvement in his game over the past couple of years. I'd personally be surprised in he beats Thiago because of his improved TD defense. Hell, he had trouble beating Pierce a few months back and he is nowhere near an elite WW.
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  3. It depends ultimately on how you define, "dominate." I think Diego's face will undoubtedly be worse for wear, but defining "dominance" by damage taken often does not tell the whole story: for example, fight metric registered GSP's performance over BJ himself as more dominant than BJ's victory over Diego, but it was not nearly as brutal - this is simply the result of differing fighting styles. In reality, I think Dan Hardy will amount even less offense than Diego was capable of producing, but the end result will be less bloody.

    I agree with Rodja that Fitch is at a critical point in his career, and needs to either evolve or falter. His opponents have realized he employs largely the same strategy and technique from fight-to-fight, and his grind-it-out method will no longer be effective. I expect to see a Thiago Alves KO.

  4. Alves appears to be out of this fight due to an irregular artery in his brain.

  5. BTW, Alves is out of his fight with Fitch due to a failed cat scan
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Fitch's career is at a crossroads right now as he has had little improvement in his game over the past couple of years. I'd personally be surprised in he beats Thiago because of his improved TD defense. Hell, he had trouble beating Pierce a few months back and he is nowhere near an elite WW.
    good point, i guess i'm not really impressed by kos, sometimes he looks really good, then the next fight he gets beat...i'd love to see alves fight gsp again but alves really needs to improve his game and get in gear when it comes to his training if he recovers...fight magazine reported several months ago he shows up to the gym real late and stuff...he thinks he's a celebrity
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post
    good point, i guess i'm not really impressed by kos, sometimes he looks really good, then the next fight he gets beat...i'd love to see alves fight gsp again but alves really needs to improve his game and get in gear when it comes to his training if he recovers...fight magazine reported several months ago he shows up to the gym real late and stuff...he thinks he's a celebrity
    Kos has only lost to the elite of the elite WWs. Losing to Alves (on short notice), GSP, and Paulo is not a bad thing. I don't want to use the term fluke with his loss to Paulo, but that rematch really needs to happen. Winner gets next title shot.
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  8. yeaa man id love to see him go up a weight class to face Anderson Silva!!!

  9. i heard u can wach ufc 111 IN theaters? Is this true?

  10. I don't think hardy stands a chance. I thought Alves would give GSP a run for his money and got completely dominated and I'd go on a limb and says Alves has better Muay Thai than Hardy's stand-up. Unless Hardy has some unruly gameplan, GSP will stand up, let Hardy think he's getting in a striking war and is faring well, then take him down and dominate. Whether that means submission or just pounding on him for 5 rounds.

  11. alrite i watched all 3 of those ufc before the fight shows last night, hardy is a tool, he looks like a tool, acts like a tool, talks like a tool....i hope he gets worked.....i hate hearing ****y ppl talk a lot...it makes me mad no matter how confident they are...gsp was much more respectable on that show...hardy needs a good beating
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  12. Hardy's striking has been over vaunted, while his more-than-lacking TD defense and sub-par grappling have not been mentioned enough. In reality, he has far, far less of a chance than either Fitch or Alves.

  13. Which may go to show how easy it is to achieve credentials under Eddie Bravo, as Hardy has a brown belt under him.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Which may go to show how easy it is to achieve credentials under Eddie Bravo, as Hardy has a brown belt under him.
    That could also show the difference between MMA grappling and BJJ. Matt Serra got a 2nd place in ADCC in 2001 I believe, but has never really been able to use it in MMA.
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  15. That is a good point, Rodja: the dynamics of position, momentum and leverage change when you are being punched in the face. Hardy had massive amounts of trouble grappling and wrestling with Marcus Davis, and that does not bode well for him.

    While I think Hardy's strength will keep him in this for two or three rounds, he will fall eventually.

  16. MS, you are being generous. I see this stopped in Rd 2. I give GSP a round to sort of feel him out, then thats it.

    BTW, Mir and Carwin....predictions? I am torn. Logically I think Mir takes it by sub in the middle rds, but if he gets caught he will sleep quickly

  17. I think Mir gets drawn into a striking battle and KO'd. Though, I would prefer Carwin to lose, setting up Brock/Mir III, and have Carwin battle Cain/Dos Santos to setup a number one contender anew.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    I think Mir gets drawn into a striking battle and KO'd. Though, I would prefer Carwin to lose, setting up Brock/Mir III, and have Carwin battle Cain/Dos Santos to setup a number one contender anew.
    Mir has stated that he doesn't want to take Carwin out in the first round, but want so take him to the second just to see what Carwin looks like beyond the first.

    Look for Mir "allowing" Carwin to enter the second round.

    I would be anxious over a Lesnar/Mir III, but I sincerely want Carwin to knock Mir out, though I personally see Mir winning this, to my dismay.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    Mir has stated that he doesn't want to take Carwin out in the first round, but want so take him to the second just to see what Carwin looks like beyond the first.

    Look for Mir "allowing" Carwin to enter the second round.

    I would be anxious over a Lesnar/Mir III, but I sincerely want Carwin to knock Mir out, though I personally see Mir winning this, to my dismay.
    There is no other fighter I loathe more than Frank Mir.
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  20. anyone in the heavyweight division needs to humiliate lesnar....i don't care who it is..someone needs to put him in his place asap
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post
    anyone in the heavyweight division needs to humiliate lesnar....i don't care who it is..someone needs to put him in his place asap
    I really don't think that will happen anytime soon. He's just that freak athlete that comes along once a generation. Lesnar has that ultimate intangible for MMA: he's just plain mean and with the talent to implement it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    MS, you are being generous. I see this stopped in Rd 2. I give GSP a round to sort of feel him out, then thats it.

    BTW, Mir and Carwin....predictions? I am torn. Logically I think Mir takes it by sub in the middle rds, but if he gets caught he will sleep quickly
    You might be too generous as well. This could easily end in the first if GSP wanted to. I hope this looks like one of the most one sided fights so we can see those fancy kicks GSP hasn't pulled out of his bag for a long time.

    Any word on Lesnar's recovery progress?

  23. The issue is that GSP has not finished a fight early since Serra II; however, with that being said, he fought three top ten P4P fighters in a row. Not the easiest cats to finish.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I really don't think that will happen anytime soon. He's just that freak athlete that comes along once a generation. Lesnar has that ultimate intangible for MMA: he's just plain mean and with the talent to implement it.
    He really is a mean sob, and has some truly amazing god given talents. I dont know if any of the guys out there can humiliate him let alone beat him unless it is an ideal situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
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    You might be too generous as well. This could easily end in the first if GSP wanted to. I hope this looks like one of the most one sided fights so we can see those fancy kicks GSP hasn't pulled out of his bag for a long time.

    Any word on Lesnar's recovery progress?
    I might be too generous, you are right

    In terms of Lesnar, I heard July against either the winner of Mir/Carwin or Cain

  25. Its just hard to believe Hardy is that high up in the top 10. Hard to believe that he would beat Fitch, Alves or even Kos. I'm usually not a fan of quick wins but this would be the exception.
    I'm pumped for the return of Lesnar but will he be as strong as he was? he was in bad shape for a while.
    ***anyone see the weigh ins?
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