- 08-09-2009, 03:42 AM
- 08-09-2009, 10:31 AM
Seems to me like he got knocked out by one of the greatest fighters alive. I didn't see the fight but from what I heard Silva toyed with Griffin and then knocked him out. Just look at what happened to Franklin, and he was an amazing fighter. I think that Anderson Silva is just one of, if not the, best fighter in the UFC right now.
- 08-09-2009, 11:04 AM
08-09-2009, 12:33 PM
08-09-2009, 12:35 PM
08-09-2009, 12:56 PM
08-09-2009, 01:11 PM
It is hard to say how the fight would have played out w/o a dislocated jaw. You have a particular nerve with three roots that runs through your jaw, known as the "trigeminal nerve". Its three branches or "roots" - the opthalamic nerve, the mandibular nerve and maxillary nerves - are bi-functional nerves that are responsible for both motor and sensory function, and carry synapses to the brain. Given this nerve's pathway, acute trauma can cause temporary hearing loss, loss of facial sensation, inhibition of the mastecation muscles, and, finally, unconsciousness. If Forrest's jaw was dislocated by the first KD, and his trigeminal nerve was pinched, trapped or clamped in anyway, a strong wind may have put him down. The KO was neither sad or embarrassing, just very unfortunate due to the place of injury.
08-09-2009, 02:33 PM
Thank god. I really didn't think forrest gave a damn about being knocked out cause I've seen him take a lot more damage than that. Silva is a lot quicker though, and he caught his kick. Sigh
08-09-2009, 02:52 PM
I want to see silvia kick the dung out of the biggest douchbag in the sport... brock "douchbag" leznar.
08-09-2009, 03:05 PM
I would love to see Silva beat up on Rampage at 205 or even Rashad, I dont think either stand a chance. I think at the end of the day we need Silva v. GSP.
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08-09-2009, 03:09 PM
give us Silva vs. GSP!!! i would love to see GSP own silva and shut this best pound-for-pound fighter in the world crap up for good.
08-09-2009, 03:32 PM
08-09-2009, 03:32 PM
08-09-2009, 03:33 PM
I think GSP and Silva would be a sick fight but silva might be to tall and long arms for GSP to handle but thats why they get in the ring you never know
08-09-2009, 03:36 PM
GSP's resume is more impressive and his skills more diverse, but they are 1a and 1b at this point.
08-09-2009, 03:42 PM
I like your loyality to GSP....... I cant wait to see the beating he is gonna take................and i like GSP....... lol....... Silva is just a better fighter.
But its on!
Lets negotiate the wagers at a later date brah.......... like when the fight card is announced.......
08-09-2009, 03:47 PM
Anyway, we will bet either $50 or $100 gift cards - I mean, given your confidence that's nothing, right?
08-09-2009, 04:08 PM
In case anybody is wondering, Kris and I barb each other for fun.
I found this article interesting:
PHILADELPHIA – Hours after the most electrifying domination in a career filled with them, deep in a back hallway of the Wachovia Center, Anderson Silva was waiting for Dana White. Silva is the UFC’s middleweight (185-pound) champion but Saturday he boldly moved up 20 pounds and in a jaw-dropping exhibition, brutalized Forrest Griffin, who just nine months ago was the light heavyweight (205) title holder.
Silva knocked Griffin down twice, offered a hand to help him up once and then promptly floored him again for good at 3:23 of the first round of UFC 101. Most remarkably, he did it with a punch he threw while backpedaling.
It was a complete annihilation. Griffin failed to land a single punch and when he came to his senses, he sprung up and ran from the octagon, trying to push through a doctor’s examination.
“He might be in Georgia by now, he ran out and I haven’t seen him since,” White, the UFC president, joked.
That Silva could move up a weight class and not just win, but destroy with power, was a game-changing and perhaps UFC-altering moment. That’s what Silva and his manager, Ed Soares, wanted to discuss with White.
With his arm wrapped around White’s shoulder, Soares leaned in and delivered a proposition. “Spider” Silva would move permanently to light heavyweight, even if it meant the unorthodox move of giving up his middleweight belt.
“I can do that,” White smiled, a bit stunned at the offer. “I like that. We can do that.”
Soares smiled and shook White’s hand. Silva had been accosted by a fan by then and couldn’t hear White, but it was presumably the news he was seeking. The man has such outrageous confidence in his abilities he’s willing to potentially toss away a championship he’s owned for almost three years to take a challenge outside his comfort zone.
“I’d let him,” White said later, sitting in his quiet dressing room. “We’d put [the middleweight title] up for grabs.”
The hour was late and everyone’s excitement was still high. Perhaps plans and goals change by morning, so White didn’t know what to say officially. This was still just hurried talk. He knew this much though, as a promoter there are more blockbuster fights for Silva at 205 than 185, where he’s beaten everyone of note.
Silva’s next title defense was supposed to be against Dan Henderson, who Silva savagely choked out in March 2008.
“Who knows,” White said, wheels already spinning. “We’ll see what happens. In the talks I’ve had with Anderson, he wants to take on the best in the world. He’s the most talented fighter in the world, the best pound for pound fighter and it’s a joke to say anyone else is. And he wants to continue to prove [it].”
White thought for a moment.
“He would jump in that mix [at the top of the light heavyweight division],” White said. “You’ve got Rashad [Evans], you’ve got Rampage [Jackson], [Lyoto] Machida is the champion. And Tito [Ortiz] is in the mix now.”
If Silva did vacate the middleweight title to move up full time, the ironic thing is that he claims it wouldn’t be to pursue the light heavyweight belt. At least as long as it was held by Machida, a fellow Brazilian and training partner.
“Lyoto is my friend, he is my brother and there is no way that fight will ever happen,” Silva said.
White, coveting a clash between two men who are both unbeaten in UFC competition, brushes that talk aside.
“I’ll make it happen,” White said winking his eye. “It’s not even about money. It’s about proving you’re the best, it’s about securing your place in history. It’s about putting on a super fight that fans want to see.
“I’m all about making big fights that fans want to see.”
Saturday was one of those fights. Silva was motivated by criticism that his last two fights – both victories mind you ¬– were dull, so he gladly moved up to take on a dangerous Griffin, who was known for his attack dog style.
It was intriguing, at least until Silva started toying with Griffin. He knocked Griffin down at will, dared him to connect with a punch, challenged him to be as tough as his reputation and then finally just finished him.
Coming in there was a “Rocky” element to the fight, Griffin the heavy underdog with the Philly crowd firmly behind him and booing Silva. By the end, Griffin was gone and Silva was being cheered. It was the recognition of brilliance overcoming any easy Hollywood storylines.
“He wants to be involved in the biggest fights we can put together,” Soares said.
The fact Silva took this fight is a testament to that. The Brazilian is 25-4 overall and has won all 10 of his fights in the UFC. At age 34, he could’ve sat at middleweight and potentially won 10 more, making nice money with relatively little risk in a division he’s been untouchable in.
That isn’t him though. Not even close.
So not long after stunning the sport with a legendary performance, there he and his manager were, trying to force a back-hall huddle with the UFC kingmaker. Move Silva to light heavyweight for good, they suggested to White.
With nothing left to prove at middleweight, Anderson Silva now wants to lay waste to a whole new division of the UFC. He doesn’t need a belt to prove a thing.
08-09-2009, 04:22 PM
I hear your argument on paper. Thats fine......It happens EVERY SUNDAY during football season....The team that wins on paper loses........
That is a team loss, however, the analogy still holds merit in this argument. GSP on paper looks alot better,,,, except in raw instinct and striking. (training and experience are a given)
I honestly dont think we have seen the spider actually challenged by any fight he has had in the UFC............Maybe, and thats a big maybe that GSP will actually deliver.....lol.........not likely.
Make it $250 brah...............cash though..........I dont have the need for NP gift cards. Cash always stings a tad more as well......
See you on fight night.........
08-09-2009, 04:38 PM
If you want to lose that much money, I can easily swing that. Make sure you provide collateral and/or a contract, though: I have had to harass the last two losers for three weeks until I was payed - and the last one, on GSP/Thiago, still hasn't payed.Make it $250 brah...............cash though..........I dont have the need for NP gift cards. Cash always stings a tad more as well......
See you on fight night.........
As I said, the fight plays out in a certain manner because GSP either masses properly, or he does not. This is a huge jump in weight for him, and it will dictate the fight. This being said, Anderson's wrestling game is suspicious at best, and GSP is the best wrestler in MMA, and has the most varied striking in MMA. As much as I appreciate Anderson, GSP matches up better with him than anybody else in MMA.
08-09-2009, 04:43 PM
08-09-2009, 04:45 PM
08-09-2009, 05:58 PM
I would love to see Anderson at 205 full time and GSP full time at 185. Hell, make the winner of Nate/Maia fight Hendo for the belt. Give GSP a few tuneups at 185 then fight for the belt.
Anderson has a wide array at 205 to fight. Winner of Jardine/Thiago, Rampage, Shogun and Tito.
Would be great imo and open up better fights at 3 weightclasses (170,185, and 205).
08-09-2009, 06:03 PM
08-09-2009, 06:07 PM
08-09-2009, 07:05 PM
1. GSP v. Wanderlei
2. GSP v. Maia
3. GSP v. Nate (I know they are both in the same camp)
4. GSP v. Hendo (only one I see GSP struggling)
It completely changes the dynamic at 185. Then think of 205 with Anderson
1. Anderson v. Rampage
2. Anderson v. Rashad
3. Anderson v. Lyoto (wont happen, but dreaming)
4. Anderson v. Shogun
5. Anderson v. Tito
Lots of good fights all around
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08-09-2009, 07:51 PM
08-09-2009, 08:37 PM
doesnt silva need to fight hendo first?
also GSP does need to fight in a higher class so we can see if hes a complete fighter. thats why i havnt said much about migel torres for p4p fighter. 135 is weak when u have a body like him hes like 5'9.
silva and gsp would be great. i think gsp would have a hard time with 185's like hendo and nate. real hard time. he would have to get those takedowns and avoid submissions on silva which he could do.
if machida and silva fight i think it would TOTALLY SUCK because they have have respect and not wanna finish eachother and it would be sorta like andersons last fight. and go to a boring decision. i still think anderson didnt wanna KTFO of TL because the whole brazil thing and such. btw im glad TL lost i hate him.
08-09-2009, 09:42 PM
Mullet, your totally drunken with GSP koolaid my man
Let me preface all this by saying I am not an Anderson fan at all, he is a long way from being even in my top ten most liked fighters
To the fight the other night, I forget who above said something to the effect of I wonder how the fight would've gone had Griff's jaw not gotten broken......etc etc. I can tell you - the same way it went the whole time leading up to the breaking of his jaw. From the minute the fight started it was completely obvious who was going to win that fight, Anderson was just playing and having fun it seemed, not bothered in the least.
I honestly believe a lot of people who have fighters they like better than Anderson, or would like to see beat Anderson (aka ulterior motives) choose to ignore just how dominant Anderson has been. Even in the fights you guys say were "boring" that Anderson WON by the way - they weren't even close. This guy has dominated every fight he has had, and really never even been in trouble once. Some will say 185 has less talent, yes this is true. However, I dont see 205 being much different for Anderson, all I can go on so far is what I have seen, but Silva has done nothing short of completely dominated both fights to the point of it actually seeming to be a joke - and he is only going to get better at 205 from a weight standpoint. This guy is just a class act.
Silva vs. GSP - both are extremely talented fighters and I think GSP would most assuredly have the wrestling advantage, but I just don't think other than that he would have another advantage, very close in other areas? Yeh, but Anderson is not an idiot, he's a very smart fighter and knows that would be GSP's only chance, think he wouldn't come prepared? Just sayin.... From a striking standpoint, its lopsided in a big way, GSP is a good striker, but Anderson is the best in all of MMA (imo) and his style is so unorthodox it would be tough to prepare for. Anderson has some of the most accurate and deadly knees also in MMA which for a wrestler can be a monstrous detour. I have a very deep wrestling background and have been training for the past 2 years in MMA and I can assure guys with good knees make takedowns a LOT more difficult.
Anyways, it may seem I am just some kid with a hard-on for Anderson after the KTFO of Griff, but I have been making this case for the past year at the facility I train at. 99% of my points are based on fact, not opinion/bias. So take it how you will.
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08-09-2009, 11:15 PM
08-10-2009, 03:59 AM
new word from griffins manager is no injuries from griffin. just dealing with the loss. he just got hit to many times on the botton soft or not.
08-10-2009, 06:28 AM
08-10-2009, 09:02 AM
Seriously though, most fans are fickle and tend to gravitate towards "who's hot" - i.e., who just had a brutal knockout - when these types of discussions come up, and it takes a lot of objectivity out of the discussion. It happened within Anderson's first three fights, despite the fact the MW division is the weakest division in MMA - obviously, the talk surrounding Anderson is going to heat up more post-Griffin. In reality, though, his resume is simply weaker than GSP's and/or Fedor's, but they are all very close. I broke down the three by the numbers previously, and said Anderson needed a great performance to be considered on Fedor/GSP's level; thus, you could reasonably say the are 1a, 1b, 1c for now.
As for who would win in a fight, it is hard to say. (Again, I just love messing with Kris.) What you are missing is that GSP's wrestling is the best in MMA because of his striking, not despite it: GSP outpointed Alves on the feet - who was to have a decided advantage - and took him down once the bait was set. His speed, athleticism, wrestling and varied striking attack make him a horrible, horrible match-up for Anderson stylistically, and there is no other way to say that. (The Hendo fight was a prototype for how to control Anderson - except GSP's striking, jitz and MMA wrestling are better than Hendo's.) Now, what actually makes this a 60/40 probability for Anderson is size, and not skill: the fact he can move up to 205 and give up no size to Griffin is troublesome for this potential fight.
08-10-2009, 03:47 PM
08-10-2009, 07:02 PM
I think GSP could beat Silva if they met at a catch weight, but it would be very difficult for him to do it. The size/strength advantage is hard to overlook. I'd love to see it though. I have a feeling Silva would not be doing his ****y showboat antics if he was in the ring with GSP.
Flip it to the other side, and I have zero doubts that Fedor would destroy Silva if they could ever fight. I'd rather see that than Fedor vs Lesner. Ok, destroy is not the right word, but rather the emotional word, lol. I'd pick Fedor to beat Silva, and I think it would be an awesome fight (and make them lots of $$$) too
Lyoto Machida vs Silva would be a very, very interesting fight. Too bad Silva says he won't do it - they are both extremely elusive and fast.
08-10-2009, 07:23 PM
Fedor/Silva or Silva/GSP? I'm not thoroughly convinced Silva is in Fedor's league yet. I'd almost rather see Silva beat/fight GSP to see if he could handle Fedor. Silva's weak points are his TD defense and getting flustered fighting off his back and GSP happens to have the UFC's number one TD's, along with being able to control from the top like no one else. If Silva could overcome a fighter like GSP, where GSP's style would be his kryptonite, then I'd really want to see a Silva/Fedor.
In terms of skill sets, Fedor is complete, Silva is 90%, that lack being his TDD and working off his back. Plus, Fedor would have the power/strength advantage on top of his superior skill set.
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08-10-2009, 07:24 PM
Either way, a Fedor in the UFC fight is years off I'm sure, unless Strikeforce sinks prematurely.
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08-10-2009, 11:42 PM
08-11-2009, 12:10 AM
08-11-2009, 05:41 AM
yeah it would. prolly be a co main event also. haha well maybe maybe not.
i think gsp would not be able to handle the distance with a. silva (dont freak out everyone haha)
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