so what's everyone eager for?!

[CTDeuce]

While I can't divulge into anything being worked on for release right now at camp MST...what are some things you'd like to see from us in the future?

 

[SweetLou321]

Electrolytes...or do you guys already have this? lol
Aminos...wait...creatine....ok so you guys have something for everything i use other then alcar and lclt lol
OH! how about a BA fish oil

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

A nootropic/focus stim free supplement without creatine. Basically like a creatine and stim free ragnarok...oh how wonderful that would be for late afternoon uni classes...

 

[mattrag]

A nootropic/focus stim free supplement without creatine. Basically like a creatine and stim free ragnarok...oh how wonderful that would be for late afternoon uni classes...

These would be nice.

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

These would be nice.

For the Win with adaptogenic herbs and some
Small amount of Cordyceps sinepsis

 

[Bnatural]

A nootropic/focus stim free supplement without creatine. Basically like a creatine and stim free ragnarok...oh how wonderful that would be for late afternoon uni classes...

stim free and creatine free = citruvol
you could always add in a nootropic.

 

[CDMMA]

Hmm, let's see.

• I'd like to see BA and/or CM added to RPG, either, especially both, would make it a fantastic formula. A separate formula could be released, could be called RPG Ultra
  
• Even though you guys already have Enzy-M, it would be nice to see a probiotic as well.
  
• A product combining many different endurance geared ingredients would be cool, such as malic acid, beta alanine, cordyceps, nitrates etc. etc.
  
• While you guys already have CLomega, it would also be nice to see an omega-3 high EPA/DHA fish oil.
  
• On the same level, it would be nice to see a higher tier multi, that included other complexes, the ones that were initially left out.
  
• Two other formulas/products that I would like to see, would be a properly dosed joint formula, along with a test-booster.
  
• One more thing that is not necessarily a product that would be awesome, would be larger bottles, containing at least 2x as many caps.

That's all I have for now, about to eat.

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

stim free and creatine free = citruvol
you could always add in a nootropic.

A drink to chill out...

 

[ryanp81]

I know what's in the works and I'm not saying a word......everyone here will dig it, trust me.

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

I know what's in the works and I'm not saying a word......everyone here will dig it, trust me.

Sharing is caring Ryan

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Jessica Alba

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

Jessica Alba

Yum

 

[CDMMA]

A couple more:

• A carnitine product, which contains multiple analogs of said carnitine, such as (N)ALCAR, LCLT, PLCAR etc. etc. would be pretty cool, as along is they were in sufficient doses.
• Anyways, I think a protein from MST would be cool, and while the profit margins are slim, especially with the rising prices of protein, I feel that MST could take a shot at making a solid fruit flavored protein, something that is hard(er) to come by than run of the mill chocolate, vanilla, etc.
• Possibly a product that combines TTA, ArA (AA), sesamin (possibly), GMS, forskolin (possibly), and LCLT.

lawl, will think of more later.

 

[CTDeuce]

A nootropic/focus stim free supplement without creatine. Basically like a creatine and stim free ragnarok...oh how wonderful that would be for late afternoon uni classes...

good call man. I think a lot of people would agree with you here!

 

[CTDeuce]

Hmm, let's see.

I'd like to see BA and/or CM added to RPG, either, especially both, would make it a fantastic formula. A separate formula could be released, could be called RPG Ultra
Even though you guys already have Enzy-M, it would be nice to see a probiotic as well.
A product combining many different endurance geared ingredients would be cool, such as malic acid, beta alanine, cordyceps, nitrates etc. etc.
While you guys already have CLomega, it would also be nice to see an omega-3 high EPA/DHA fish oil.
On the same level, it would be nice to see a higher tier multi, that included other complexes, the ones that were initially left out.
Two other formulas/products that I would like to see, would be a properly dosed joint formula, along with a test-booster.
One more thing that is not necessarily a product that would be awesome, would be larger bottles, containing at least 2x as many caps.

That's all I have for now, about to eat.

Thanks for the suggestions. I personally feel like mvp when taken in conjunction with zmk is strong enough for anyone reading these forums. I mean, realistically, if there are top tier division I athletes (which there are), professional triathalon competitors, and professional athletes from various different sports using this combination...it's highly unlikely anyone on these forums is pushing themselves at a stronger rate and needs something with any items left out.

I'm also not sure why you'd like to see another fish oil product that would rival CLOmega? If you could explain to help me out that would be good so I can field that better.

Im sure plenty would agree with you on the joint formula as well as the test booster.

and as far as the 2x size bottles go, we actually tried that for a long time with C-V02 and some other products and they sat on the shelves at NP and other companies because people would say they couldn't afford to spend that much at one time

 

[CDMMA]

Thanks for the suggestions. I personally feel like mvp when taken in conjunction with zmk is strong enough for anyone reading these forums. I mean, realistically, if there are top tier division I athletes (which there are), professional triathalon competitors, and professional athletes from various different sports using this combination...it's highly unlikely anyone on these forums is pushing themselves at a stronger rate and needs something with any items left out.

I'm also not sure why you'd like to see another fish oil product that would rival CLOmega? If you could explain to help me out that would be good so I can field that better.

Im sure plenty would agree with you on the joint formula as well as the test booster.

and as far as the 2x size bottles go, we actually tried that for a long time with C-V02 and some other products and they sat on the shelves at NP and other companies because people would say they couldn't afford to spend that much at one time

Oh, I'm in no way saying either the multi or the mineral formula is weak in anyway, just when reading the write-up/FAQ I noticed that other complexes that could have been added to MVP, such as a joint blend, didn't make the cut. I was just saying that it would be cool to see an additional multi that included said complexes.

Same goes for the omega-3 recommendation. In no way was I knocking CLOmega, I was just suggesting a omega-3 specific product, opposed to three EFA's.

In regards to the bigger bottles, that is very unfortunate, it was worth a shot though.

One more idea that I slept on, initially I did not agree with runner's idea (with Focus XT on the market), however, after some thought, I too agree that another nootropic blend would be great to see, additionally, it would be nice to see some more nootropics added to RagNOrock, in light of the glucoro, and dmae that were taken out.

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

Oh, I'm in no way saying either the multi or the mineral formula is weak in anyway, just when reading the write-up/FAQ I noticed that other complexes that could have been added to MVP, such as a joint blend, didn't make the cut. I was just saying that it would be cool to see an additional multi that included said complexes.

Same goes for the omega-3 recommendation. In no way was I knocking CLOmega, I was just suggesting a omega-3 specific product, opposed to three EFA's.

In regards to the bigger bottles, that is very unfortunate, it was worth a shot though.

One more idea that I slept on, initially I did not agree with runner's idea (with Focus XT on the market), however, after some thought, I too agree that another nootropic blend would be great to see, additionally, it would be nice to see some more nootropics added to RagNOrock, in light of the glucoro, and dmae that were taken out.

A nootropic would be good. Wasn't suggesting like focus XT but more along a rag type with ALCAR or some carnitines form in it and drop the dmae and gluc yeah

 

[CDMMA]

A nootropic would be good. Wasn't suggesting like focus XT but more along a rag type with ALCAR or some carnitines form in it and drop the dmae and gluc yeah

Ahh I see.

And I wasn't recommending the removal of the glucuro, or the DMAE, I'm actually more disappointed that they have already been removed.

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

Oh ok.
Gluc gives me energy.
ALCAR and PLCAR for mood and cognition. And some rhodiola, ashwangha, maca or suma root for test all in one. Wow

 

[CDMMA]

Oh ok.
Gluc gives me energy.
ALCAR and PLCAR for mood and cognition. And some rhodiola, ashwangha, maca or suma root for test all in one. Wow

It would be nice to see it re-added, along with the DMAE. ALCAR and PLCAR would both be great additions, as would LCLT. Some other nootropics that I would like to see added, would be tyrosine, CDP choline/alpha-GPC, huperzine a, vinpocetine, and even sulbutiamine. If there's any chance a -racetam could be added, that would be insane!

I'm really impartial to adding a "t-booster" complex, only because there are a number of people that would not like to see this addition (myself included, would rather not see one in a pre). Though, those three ingredients wouldn't be all too significant.

 

[CDMMA]

Alright, got a few more ideas lol

• I personally think a carb supplement from MST would be great. I don't need to get into detail here, just throwing the idea out there.
  
• Referring back to my "endurance" product, I was thinking, it could be like the Hemavol of endurance products. Because lets be real here, Hemavol is easily one of, if not the best pump product on the market, not to mention all of the other benefits that come along with the pumps.
  
• Another thought as to RagNOrock, are the forms of creatine used. I'm sure the Di-sodium creatine phosphate (which may be used for the 'electrolyte' aspect), and creatine gluconate are both used to ensure rapid PCr muscle saturation, but I believe they could be swapped out for other forms, such as (di)creatine malate, creatine nitrate, or simply more MCC. Something else that would be nice to see, would be a heftier dose of MB12. COP is another promising ingredient that would be another great addition.
  
• Finally, on a slightly different note, I would love it if MST un-propped their blends :fingersx:

 

[Bnatural]

the blends are broken down more than most other prop blends you see out there.

i like the product suggestions, and you'll be happy with the additions

 

[CDMMA]

the blends are broken down more than most other prop blends you see out there.

i like the product suggestions, and you'll be happy with the additions

Sounds good, stoked to see what comes out of MST!

 

[CTDeuce]

[*]Referring back to my "endurance" product, I was thinking, it could be like the Hemavol of endurance products. Because lets be real here, Hemavol is easily one of, if not the best pump product on the market, not to mention all of the other benefits that come along with the pumps.
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with ABSOLUTELY no bias whatsoever, I can honestly say that using Nitroceps in conjunction with Cre-02 gives me better and longer lasting pumps than hemavol ever did. I am obviously just one person but if you ever have a few bucks to spend and want to give it a shot, dose both of them 45 mins pre w/o and see what happens

 

[ryanp81]

with ABSOLUTELY no bias whatsoever, I can honestly say that using Nitroceps in conjunction with Cre-02 gives me better and longer lasting pumps than hemavol ever did. I am obviously just one person but if you ever have a few bucks to spend and want to give it a shot, dose both of them 45 mins pre w/o and see what happens

Cvol with Cre02 does a bang up job for me.

 

[CDMMA]

with ABSOLUTELY no bias whatsoever, I can honestly say that using Nitroceps in conjunction with Cre-02 gives me better and longer lasting pumps than hemavol ever did. I am obviously just one person but if you ever have a few bucks to spend and want to give it a shot, dose both of them 45 mins pre w/o and see what happens

Really? Hemavol is a strong, pump-heavy, product. That's very strange, I was expecting you to at least say Citruvol, but I guess not :/

Maybe you just react well with arginine

 

[TMCCLUNG]

I would like to see a protein mix with an RPG or Rag flavor. If I have a long day ahead I like to make my own sports drink with almost all MST products.

20oz bottle
1 scoop RPG
2 caps Athlytes
2 caps Carnage
1 scoop ISO-Pure tastes bad but when it is mixed with RPG it is drinkable.

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

This ^^^^
nice concotion TM

 

[TMCCLUNG]

I love it how it work but the ISO-Pure just tastes bad. 6 hours at a hard effort with no bonk. If needed I'll mix the second bottle twice as strong and divide it once I use up the first bottle and get a chance to top off at a water stop. I'll throw in some coconut water on the really hot days. I was a huge Accelerade fan until I found MST and ISO-Pure.

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

I love it how it work but the ISO-Pure just tastes bad. 6 hours at a hard effort with no bonk. If needed I'll mix the second bottle twice as strong and divide it once I use up the first bottle and get a chance to top off at a water stop. I'll throw in some coconut water on the really hot days. I was a huge Accelerade fan until I found MST and ISO-Pure.

Very nice!!!

 

[CDMMA]

Hmm, I've put some thought into it, and I feel another agmatine containing product would be good for the industry. I've been looking for what would act in a synergistic fashion with the agmatine, as just another pure agmatine product is not necessarily needed, and the only thing that would really act in such a way, would simply be a carb source. A carb such as a homopolysaccharide, fractionated barley amylopectin, or another novel carb would definitely be interesting. Something else that hasn't been done, that imo should be, is the bonding of agmatine and something else. Agmatine nitrate (would be expensive, but a good seller I'm sure), agmatine malate, and agmatine gluconate would all be solid.

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

Hmm, I've put some thought into it, and I feel another agmatine containing product would be good for the industry. I've been looking for what would act in a synergistic fashion with the agmatine, as just another pure agmatine product is not necessarily needed, and the only thing that would really act in such a way, would simply be a carb source. A carb such as a homopolysaccharide, fractionated barley amylopectin, or another novel carb would definitely be interesting. Something else that hasn't been done, that imo should be, is the bonding of agmatine and something else. Agmatine nitrate (would be expensive, but a good seller I'm sure), agmatine malate, and agmatine gluconate would all be solid.

gluten free though...
would love a carb source post workout to drop cortisol levels after running. and gluten and wheat eff me right up

 

[Bnatural]

just tossed an idea towards big M regarding rpg as a flavor option, if he rolls with it, i think everyone will be very happy.
nothing crazy, but it would be so fitting.

 

[ryanp81]

I love RPG and I love the current flavor but something like blue rasberry or the warrior melon would be a nice change, even something like lemon....

 

[CDMMA]

just tossed an idea towards big M regarding rpg as a flavor option, if he rolls with it, i think everyone will be very happy.
nothing crazy, but it would be so fitting.

For? Protein?

One more product idea, is a nutrient partitioner, which could incorporate agmatine as well. The agmatine could be coupled with (Na-)R-ala, gymnema sylvestre, and banaba.

 

[mattrag]

For? Protein?

One more product idea, is a nutrient partitioner, which could incorporate agmatine as well. The agmatine could be coupled with (Na-)R-ala, gymnema sylvestre, and banaba.

This would be the ultimate carb to muscle supp evar~~ lol

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

also, maybe creatine nitrate in the cre-02 for more of a pump and endurance?
i like the suggestion by ryan and CDMMA. diff flavours will be great. The agmatine could be coupled with (Na-)R-ala, gymnema sylvestre, and banaba would be so so good.
a glucose disposal agent (better than n2slin and anabolic pump!!!!)

 

[Bnatural]

For? Protein?

One more product idea, is a nutrient partitioner, which could incorporate agmatine as well. The agmatine could be coupled with (Na-)R-ala, gymnema sylvestre, and banaba.

MAN rolled with a product almost exactly like this and it died out fairly quick.
Agmatine, Grape Seed, Icariin would be sweet though

 

[CDMMA]

MAN rolled with a product almost exactly like this and it died out fairly quick.
Agmatine, Grape Seed, Icariin would be sweet though

Hmm, they did have Blue Print (which was only agmatine + R-ala), but I'm pretty sure they discontinued it, for whatever reason.

It would actually be like Blue Print + Slin Slane (which seems to sell very well).

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

thats a good combo there bro!!!
alpha yohimbine (rauloscwine, sp?) in something?

 

[CDMMA]

Hmm, the endurance product that I mentioned could be BA, (whatever) nitrate, malic acid (or CM), and OxyCeps ATP

Actually, now that I think about it, agmatine could also be incorporated in a product such as this. Would be a solid product. Hell, you could even add electrolytes to the blend, AthLytes-ATP would work

At that point, it would essentially be Citruvol + nitrates + agmatine + AthLytes. You guys already have most of the raws, now all you need is the nitrates and agmatine

Clearly I don't like agmatine

Yet another product that I've been pondering on, is a stim-free energy product.
It could contain glucuronolactone, PLCAR and/or ALCAR, mb12, and DMAE.

One last idea (for now at least), which is quite simple actually, is an electrolyte (carb) mix. That's it. No BCAA's. It could be flavored exactly like RPG, and it would be affordable for everyone. I personally don't use a BCAA product, and mainly because of the price. It would be nice to have something beneficial to sip on during a workout, that isn't loaded with sugars. Plus, people could use it to mask the taste of bulk powders.

So much for my last idea
These are really more so thoughts than ideas.

• While Cre-02 is a solid product, and has a good profile, it is relatively pricey. Here is what I was thinking: a.) the MSRP could be lowered, likely resulting in the retail price to drop as well, b.) a separate formula could be released, where some of the more expensive ingredients were excluded and c.) there could be a powder form, that could have a different profile (if so desired), and the resulting price would likely be considerably lower.

• Idea C from the previous snippet could be implemented to all/most of the capped products, hopefully resulting in a lesser price, or more servings for the price.

• Finally, I like how MST has bulk capped beta alanine at a great price. It would be nice to see other bulk products added to the line as well. Though Citruvol is solid, a bulk 2:1 citrulline malate product would be great, or better yet, a separate citrulline and malic acid product. Other products such as: creatine (sort of like the first thought), PLCAR/LCLT/ALCAR (in that order ), nootropics (such as vinpocetine, CDP choline/alpha-GPC, tyrosine, DMAE, theamime (or sulbutiamine), galantamine, etc. etc.), mb12, cissus, and (Na-)R-ala would all be nice to see.

 

[CTDeuce]

I would like to see a protein mix with an RPG or Rag flavor. If I have a long day ahead I like to make my own sports drink with almost all MST products.

20oz bottle
1 scoop RPG
2 caps Athlytes
2 caps Carnage
1 scoop ISO-Pure tastes bad but when it is mixed with RPG it is drinkable.

So if everything couldn't be concocted into one, maybe a powder form of Athlytes to add into your pre-ride drink?

Hmm, I've put some thought into it, and I feel another agmatine containing product would be good for the industry. I've been looking for what would act in a synergistic fashion with the agmatine, as just another pure agmatine product is not necessarily needed, and the only thing that would really act in such a way, would simply be a carb source. A carb such as a homopolysaccharide, fractionated barley amylopectin, or another novel carb would definitely be interesting. Something else that hasn't been done, that imo should be, is the bonding of agmatine and something else. Agmatine nitrate (would be expensive, but a good seller I'm sure), agmatine malate, and agmatine gluconate would all be solid.

If that were the case, we'd certainly toss some Cordygen in there since it aids each supplement you take by pumping more oxygen into your blood stream.

For? Protein?

One more product idea, is a nutrient partitioner, which could incorporate agmatine as well. The agmatine could be coupled with (Na-)R-ala, gymnema sylvestre, and banaba.

When I use Cre-02 I feel the Poria Cocos acts as a nutrient partitioner fairly well. I feel Cre-02 is a supplement far beyond it's years.

 

[TMCCLUNG]

So if everything couldn't be concocted into one, maybe a powder form of Athlytes to add into your pre-ride drink?

Something like the Ragnorok but without the NO2 would be great. This can be used as the base then you can add what ever else you want to it. Like an Athlyte powder.
I like the Ragnorok but endurance athletes suffer from the NO2. The motocross racers here hate the NO2 products on race race day. It causes the muscles to fatigue faster or pump and get heavy.
Athletes are very picky about their drinks. If you can tune your own drink that would be awesome.

Powder Athlytes
Powder Carnage
Powder Protein

 

[CTDeuce]

So if everything couldn't be concocted into one, maybe a powder form of Athlytes to add into your pre-ride drink?

Something like the Ragnorok but without the NO2 would be great. This can be used as the base then you can add what ever else you want to it. Like an Athlyte powder.
I like the Ragnorok but endurance athletes suffer from the NO2. The motocross racers here hate the NO2 products on race race day. It causes the muscles to fatigue faster or pump and get heavy.
Athletes are very picky about their drinks. If you can tune your own drink that would be awesome.

Powder Athlytes
Powder Carnage
Powder Protein

I know personally what you mean. Ive played tennis at very high levels and have competed nationally in kettlebell competitions. On those days I can't take anything at all that might give me a pump, which is why I usually lure athletes away from citruvol outside of the weight room. I like this line of thinking though...this is definitely something I personally stand behind for sure. I wonder if this is already nin the works...... , who knows.

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

looks promising.
athlytes and c5 in one?

 

[CDMMA]

So if everything couldn't be concocted into one, maybe a powder form of Athlytes to add into your pre-ride drink?

Something like the Ragnorok but without the NO2 would be great. This can be used as the base then you can add what ever else you want to it. Like an Athlyte powder.
I like the Ragnorok but endurance athletes suffer from the NO2. The motocross racers here hate the NO2 products on race race day. It causes the muscles to fatigue faster or pump and get heavy.
Athletes are very picky about their drinks. If you can tune your own drink that would be awesome.

Powder Athlytes
Powder Carnage
Powder Protein

Hmm, good call for sure, and in this case, they should add back the nootropics, plus others

If that were the case, we'd certainly toss some Cordygen in there since it aids each supplement you take by pumping more oxygen into your blood stream.

Hmm, that would definitely be nice, but would be on the costly side, that's for sure.

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

MST cordyceps is worth every penny!!!!!!!!!

 

[CDMMA]

MST cordyceps is worth every penny!!!!!!!!!

Haha, the base cost of both agmatine and Cordygen would be pricey though, you can't deny that.

Not sure how I forgot this, but another addition in my endurance product mentioned earlier, could definitely be COP. A few others could be rhodiola rosea, gynostemma, ginseng/suma root, ashwagandha, arjuna, shilajit/moomiyo, PLCAR, and possibly echinacea, resveratrol, and quercetin.

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

Haha, the base cost of both agmatine and Cordygen would be pricey though, you can't deny that.

Not sure how I forgot this, but another addition in my endurance product mentioned earlier, could definitely be COP. A few others could be rhodiola rosea, gynostemma, ginseng/suma root, ashwagandha, arjuna, shilajit/moomiyo, PLCAR,and possibly echinacea, resveratrol, and quercetin.

Now that's a pill that could almost sedate you and make you so mellow. COP is great.
MST, looking forward to it
Any Hints Chuck?

 

[CTDeuce]

One thing I can tell you....lol.

We have released a product that right now is just an Australian release, but if we see enough feedback in the states could be out soon. I personally have used it and it's AWESOME.

Mycogreen powder!! Its the strength of 7 caps in a small scoop you mix with 8-10oz of water or juice. Its freaking amazing.