That's awesome, Chris. I think they're over-rated too. If you're getting enough protein, they won't matter. The exception is for those doing extended long periods of exercise, like many pro athletes, where they can't ingest food. They also might help someone on a cut, to use before bed. I noticed a difference taking purple wraath before bed, a couple hours after food. I got bigger and leaner. Purple wraath is the one amino supplement that actually seems to make a difference overall, but I can't say it's not from the beta alanine and other ingredients.