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Through countless number of reseach and logging though the Gov't data bases I have found the possible missing key to low adrenal out put.
Both the rheins test and the salvia test showed that adrenals on full functional been off cortef for 15 days ...:chick:
 
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No, because some jack ass trolling the boards will take my years of research and take credit for it..It happened to me once before and not again. Do you blame me? Not untill I get the research published legally. My clients with low adrenals will be going on protocol and will be validated with clincial testing and data follow up.
 
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Funny, I had a well researched formula for adrenal function (different than the others) along with formulas for cessation of narcotic use. Good luck Matrix!
 
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Funny, I had a well researched formula for adrenal function (different than the others) along with formulas for cessation of narcotic use. Good luck Matrix!
Trust me bro it goes much deeper then that OTC stuff !!
It goes into the cellular level and even deeper then that !!
 
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It goes into the cellular level and even deeper then that !!
How do you go deeper than the cellular level? DNA programming?
Does this method have something to do with the hand to the sky treatment I read about on here the other day? lol jk man.

Well, I guess you're just teasin everyone on here then aren't ya haha. Share a lil knowledge ;)
 

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How do you go deeper than the cellular level? DNA programming?
Does this method have something to do with the hand to the sky treatment I read about on here the other day? lol jk man.

Well, I guess you're just teasin everyone on here then aren't ya haha. Share a lil knowledge ;)
yeah still got no boner from that treatment

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I hope he's not using drugs.

"Someone's shadowing me on these boards... watching my every post."

"It goes beyond OTC supps... beyond cellular levels... beyond SUBATOMIC PARTICLES!"

lol, jk.
 
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No, because some jack ass trolling the boards will take my years of research and take credit for it..It happened to me once before and not again. Do you blame me? Not untill I get the research published legally. My clients with low adrenals will be going on protocol and will be validated with clincial testing and data follow up.
y dont u send urself a certified letter of all your findings and ingredients, once its postmarked like that it is a copyright. then come on and tell us to share the knowledge.
 
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y dont u send urself a certified letter of all your findings and ingredients, once its postmarked like that it is a copyright. then come on and tell us to share the knowledge.
That might work well for copyrighting a book, but it won't hold up in court for other things.
 
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No, because some jack ass trolling the boards will take my years of research and take credit for it..It happened to me once before and not again. Do you blame me? Not untill I get the research published legally. My clients with low adrenals will be going on protocol and will be validated with clincial testing and data follow up.
Do you have a time frame for publishing?
 
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Do you have a time frame for publishing?
About 6 months It has been shown consistantly in every case but I want to have more concrete evidence then just a hand full of cases. When I start seeing same pattern in 100 consectivity cases then this will be evident back up.
 

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So in 6 months we can get the cure? Do we need to see you in person or is it a combination of supplements,ect?


I would love to heal my stupid adrenals already and get off of Cortef.
 

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How do you know if you suffer from adrenal fatigue?
 
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How do you know if you suffer from adrenal fatigue?

easy to find in a search. but here:

Signs and Symptoms of Adrenal Fatigue


Tendency to gain weight and unable to loose it, especially around the waist.
High frequency of getting the flu and other respiratory diseases and these symptoms tend to last longer than usual.
Tendency to tremble when under pressure.
Reduced sex drive.
Lightheaded when rising from a laying down position.
Unable to remember things.
Lack of energy in the mornings and also in the afternoon between 3 to 5 pm.
Feel better suddenly for a brief period after a meal.
Often feel tired betweeen 9 - 10 pm, but resist going to bed.
Need coffee or stimulants to get going in the morning.
Crave for salty, fatty, and high protein food such as meat and cheese.
Increase symptoms of PMS for women; period are heavy and then stop, or almost stopped on the 4th day, only to start flow again on the 5th or 6th day.
Pain in the upper back or neck with no apparent reasons .
Feels better when stress is relieved, such as on a vacation.
Difficulties in getting up in the morning
Lightheaded

Other signs and symptoms include:


Mild depression
Food and or inhalant allergies
Lethargy and lack of energy
Increased effort to perform daily tasks
Decreased ability to handle stress
Dry and thin skin
Hypoglycemia
Low Body Temperature
Nervousness
Palpitation
Unexplained hair loss
Alternating constipation and diarrhea
Dyspepsia
 
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easy to find in a search. but here:

Signs and Symptoms of Adrenal Fatigue


Tendency to gain weight and unable to loose it, especially around the waist.
High frequency of getting the flu and other respiratory diseases and these symptoms tend to last longer than usual.
Tendency to tremble when under pressure.
Reduced sex drive.
Lightheaded when rising from a laying down position.
Unable to remember things.
Lack of energy in the mornings and also in the afternoon between 3 to 5 pm.
Feel better suddenly for a brief period after a meal.
Often feel tired betweeen 9 - 10 pm, but resist going to bed.
Need coffee or stimulants to get going in the morning.
Crave for salty, fatty, and high protein food such as meat and cheese.
Increase symptoms of PMS for women; period are heavy and then stop, or almost stopped on the 4th day, only to start flow again on the 5th or 6th day.
Pain in the upper back or neck with no apparent reasons .
Feels better when stress is relieved, such as on a vacation.
Difficulties in getting up in the morning
Lightheaded

Other signs and symptoms include:


Mild depression
Food and or inhalant allergies
Lethargy and lack of energy
Increased effort to perform daily tasks
Decreased ability to handle stress
Dry and thin skin
Hypoglycemia
Low Body Temperature
Nervousness
Palpitation
Unexplained hair loss
Alternating constipation and diarrhea
Dyspepsia

I think it's constructive of you to offer up this definition. The issue I have with adrenal fatigue (as opposed to addison's) is that the symptomology is the same as a number of different disorders, most notably chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, and certain forms of dysautonomia, and there is little in the way of objective criteria. That doesn't mean I don't think it exists.

At one point, I was diagnosed as suffering from adrenal fatigue, as well as being markedly hypothyroid. Subsequently, I saw a very open-minded endo, who said that, based on his experience, most patients that see D.O.'s or anti-aging M.D.'s are diagnosed as being hypothyroid (or euthyroid sickness) and suffering from adrenal fatigue. He said, the truth is, in many cases, thyroid meds will lift the blues, and that hydrocortisone can help relieve stress. In my case, neither helped. What helped the most is treating my dysautonomia, which is a work in progress. I think adrenal fatigue may be over diagnosed, when there is no clear explanation for a treatment-resistant illness, not unlike the "depressed" label.

Sorry, I digressed. Please note, my intent is not to undercut the issue that HAN has raised, but rather, to encourage using definitions to promote better communication, so that we can continue to support and help one another.
 

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Jinxie what is dysautonomia? What are its causes?

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Jinxie what is dysautonomia? What are its causes?

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Dysfunctional autonomic nervous system -- overly/under active sympathetic and/or parasympathetic system. It can be genetic, viral or sometimes the consequence of physical trauma (e.g., head blow). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysautonomia

It's very poorly understood. You really need to see a specialist to be properly diagnosed. Dinet.org is a useful site.
 

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Dysfunctional autonomic nervous system -- overly/under active sympathetic and/or parasympathetic system. It can be genetic, viral or sometimes the consequence of physical trauma (e.g., head blow). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysautonomia

It's very poorly understood. You really need to see a specialist to be properly diagnosed. Dinet.org is a useful site.

Is there anything that can be done for it?


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Both the rheins test and the salvia test showed that adrenals on full functional been off cortef for 15 days ...:chick:
Me too. Me too. But I cant tell you what it is.
 
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Is there anything that can be done for it?


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A number of meds that quell the adrenaline surges, e.g., beta blockers, alpha/beta blockers, and meds that expand blood volume, e.g., florinef, and meds that stabilize the autonomic system, benzos, SSRIs, etc.

See http://dinet.org/what_helps.htm
 
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How about GHB? How about Relora?
Relora and PS are indicated for taming cortisol. I would think elevated cortisol and jacked catechols would go hand and hand, but it's not clear to me. I would be inclined to recommend relora and PS to people suffering from surging catechols. But then you have docs specializing in "adrenal fatigue" suggesting that low cortisol is the problem, and taking an evening dose of HC will reduce stress (possibly from adrenaline surges) thereby helping sleep. That doesn't make sense to me; cortisol should be basing during sleep, and I would think that cortisol taken in the evening would interrupt sleep. Thus, I am confused. Just as I am confused by people being diagnosed as suffering from adrenal fatigue even though they don't have low cortisol, and film reveals normal adrenals (not enlarged or atrophied).

I've never heard of GHB being used for dysautonomia sufferers, but I do know that such patients often suffer from alpha intrustions, which causes highly fragmented, non-restorative sleep, and GHB is about the only thing out there that can treat this component of the symptomology. It's too bad you have to pay big bucks, and jump through a bunch of hoops to get the stuff now that big pharma owns it.
 
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Here's what happens when I go to the gym around 10am. I did this test specifically on a workout day to see how my adrenals respond. Pathetic... cortisol starts low, then spikes (from workout), and then gives out for the rest of the day.

I've read about people curing their low cortisol problems with PABA. PABA works like licorice to extend the life of cortisol. One problem I can see is increased estrogen... it delays excretion at the liver. This is ok for me because my estrogen is too low (I'm a fast metabolizer). This might be just what I need.
 

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How do you feel when your cortisol bottoms out like this for the day?
 
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Relora and PS are indicated for taming cortisol. I would think elevated cortisol and jacked catechols would go hand and hand, but it's not clear to me. I would be inclined to recommend relora and PS to people suffering from surging catechols. But then you have docs specializing in "adrenal fatigue" suggesting that low cortisol is the problem, and taking an evening dose of HC will reduce stress (possibly from adrenaline surges) thereby helping sleep. That doesn't make sense to me; cortisol should be basing during sleep, and I would think that cortisol taken in the evening would interrupt sleep. Thus, I am confused. Just as I am confused by people being diagnosed as suffering from adrenal fatigue even though they don't have low cortisol, and film reveals normal adrenals (not enlarged or atrophied).

I've never heard of GHB being used for dysautonomia sufferers, but I do know that such patients often suffer from alpha intrustions, which causes highly fragmented, non-restorative sleep, and GHB is about the only thing out there that can treat this component of the symptomology. It's too bad you have to pay big bucks, and jump through a bunch of hoops to get the stuff now that big pharma owns it.
Damn, you're one smart guy. Thanks for the info.
 
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Damn, you're one smart guy. Thanks for the info.

Thanks brother. But it's really just a function of needing to be my best advocate. Our healthcare system is designed to catch the obvious, and if you don't fall within it, usually you are labeled as depressed, anxious, etc. So if you wish to get beyond the psychotropic band-aids, you need to start researching yourself.

You seem bright as well, and I wish I had your definition! Keep up the good work, dude.
 
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Here's what happens when I go to the gym around 10am. I did this test specifically on a workout day to see how my adrenals respond. Pathetic... cortisol starts low, then spikes (from workout), and then gives out for the rest of the day.

I've read about people curing their low cortisol problems with PABA. PABA works like licorice to extend the life of cortisol. One problem I can see is increased estrogen... it delays excretion at the liver. This is ok for me because my estrogen is too low (I'm a fast metabolizer). This might be just what I need.
Lean Guy, your values aren't so bad. I would imagine that if you aren't working out, you prolly have higher levels at 4 pm. And you want those low values come sleepy time. When I did the saliva test, my rhythm was completely reversed -- highest at midnight, lowest in the morning.

I agree, mid-day licorice (or PABA, if that works similarly) may do it. Or maybe 2.5 mgs of HC. But I think the natural route may be preferred.

Good luck.
 
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Thanks brother. But it's really just a function of needing to be my best advocate. Our healthcare system is designed to catch the obvious, and if you don't fall within it, usually you are labeled as depressed, anxious, etc. So if you wish to get beyond the psychotropic band-aids, you need to start researching yourself.

You seem bright as well, and I wish I had your definition! Keep up the good work, dude.
I have been having a lot of issues lately. Stress induced eating, anxiety attacks (never had them until recently), all day fatigue, amotivation, and decreased daily performance in everything and anything.
 
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I agree, mid-day licorice (or PABA, if that works similarly) may do it. Or maybe 2.5 mgs of HC. But I think the natural route may be preferred.

Good luck.
Yeah I am trying to heal adrenals with nutrition... vitamin C, B-5, zinc but it's such a slow process. Its almost like I need to quit working out for 6-12 months which sucks. Licorice isn't good for men because it reduces testosterone... so I'm researching the PABA.
 
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Yeah I am trying to heal adrenals with nutrition... vitamin C, B-5, zinc but it's such a slow process. Its almost like I need to quit working out for 6-12 months which sucks. Licorice isn't good for men because it reduces testosterone... so I'm researching the PABA.
In her book, Breakthrough, Suzan Sommers interview about 10 top doctors.
One of the findings.
There is no such a thing as healing adrenals.
If one have weak adrenasls, they have to be supported for life.

Suzan, among other problems have weak adrenals, she supports them with Cortef (IIRC).

She is keeping an eye on steam cel theraphy.
There are claims that adrenals can be rebuild using steam cells.
There is a procedure already to do it.
I assume that she is not convinced yet that it is good enough so she could use it for herself.
 
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In her book, Breakthrough, Suzan Sommers interview about 10 top doctors.
One of the findings.
There is no such a thing as healing adrenals.
If one have weak adrenasls, they have to be supported for life.
Maybe she hasn't read Dr Wilson's book LOL. My spectracell was low in zinc, b5 and VC so I definitely want to see what my adrenals do when I build those back up before I commit to lifelong HC. I'm sure there is a point of no return, but I'm not there.
 
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Maybe she hasn't read Dr Wilson's book LOL. My spectracell was low in zinc, b5 and VC so I definitely want to see what my adrenals do when I build those back up before I commit to lifelong HC.
I think it is good to indentify defficiecies and then make an effort to correct them.

With time, we will see if that will help you ween out of adrenal support. Lets hope that it will.
 
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Maybe she hasn't read Dr Wilson's book LOL. My spectracell was low in zinc, b5 and VC so I definitely want to see what my adrenals do when I build those back up before I commit to lifelong HC. I'm sure there is a point of no return, but I'm not there.
Good for you. The way thyroid and HC meds are promoted on these boards, you'd think they were aspirin, or something. So not the case. For some reason, I thought you were already on Cortef. My bad.

No offense Jan, but I put Suzanne Sommers on the same level as Gary Trudeau. I mean, give me a break, she's not a doctor. As I recall, she didn't play one on TV either -- she was a ditsy blonde. She's just pushing someone else's agenda, to make some dough. She has no relevant qualifications other than money -- and good looks for her age, which money played a large part in.
 
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Yeah I think HC is given out too readily. I never want to take that stuff for adrenals tbh....not unless I was completely immobile and bed ridden with fatigue.

I've read several arguements for ways to treat adrenals, some that are completely opposite than how they are now treated.
 
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Good for you. The way thyroid and HC meds are promoted on these boards, you'd think they were aspirin, or something. So not the case. For some reason, I thought you were already on Cortef. My bad.

No offense Jan, but I put Suzanne Sommers on the same level as Gary Trudeau. I mean, give me a break, she's not a doctor. As I recall, she didn't play one on TV either -- she was a ditsy blonde. She's just pushing someone else's agenda, to make some dough. She has no relevant qualifications other than money -- and good looks for her age, which money played a large part in.

Sorry that you feel that way about Suzan, your loss.

Her agenda helps health care consumers.
Health care consumers are screwed left and right, just look how much problems we have findig doctors.
99% doctors are brain washed by big Pharma.

Had she listen to the first set of doctors when she dicovered her breast cancer, she would have been a goner by now.

I am another case, had I listen to a big shot doctor who saw me first when I had my ED and depression problem, I would have not been able to hold conversation with you now.

I am sure you will reconsider your position.
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Nobody has to commit to lifelong HC for adrenal fatigue, thats just ridiculous, especially if you caught it pretty early within a few years. And taking HC when your are low in Cortisol and your adrenals are fatigued just helps bring your low levels to normal levels to function properly. Leaving yourself with low Cortisol is FAR worse for your health and will lead to all kinds of problems.


I can see if you've had adrenal burnout for like 20 ++ years, but i dont think you would make it that long with real adrenal fatigue, you wouldnt be able to function properly.


You take HC to lower your ATCH so your adrenals get the chance to "rest and repair". So in combination with doing this along with a good diet of whole organic low sugar foods, eating foods that you are not allergic to, cutting out any stimulants, getting enough sleep, taking b-complex, vitamin c, any minerals you are deficient in, EFA's, drinking clean water,ect, getting your thyroid optimized if you have thyroid issues,ect, i see absolutely NO reason why your adrenals couldnt repair. Suzanne is on ALL kinds of hormones, including HGH, and she shouldnt really be on HGH when you have burnt out adrenals, thats what ive read anyways.



Beleive me if you have real adrenal fatigue, such as low DHEA-S and low monring Cortisol, then you definetly WILL want HC and thats the only way you can really heal the adrenals and allow them to rest and repair, as if you dont surpress ATCH then your body will keep trying to stimulate it to produce Cortisol is doesnt have, and you will get nowhere. Nothing worked for me like HC, and as quick as HC. Stimulants ****ed up my adrenals good and quick and i noticed big changes over night that lasted over 1 year before getting on HC, and i tried everything in that time period. I was getting worse and worse without HC.
 
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Nobody has to commit to lifelong HC for adrenal fatigue, thats just ridiculous, especially if you caught it pretty early within a few years. And taking HC when your are low in Cortisol and your adrenals are fatigued just helps bring your low levels to normal levels to function properly. Leaving yourself with low Cortisol is FAR worse for your health and will lead to all kinds of problems.


I can see if you've had adrenal burnout for like 20 ++ years, but i dont think you would make it that long with real adrenal fatigue, you wouldnt be able to function properly.


You take HC to lower your ATCH so your adrenals get the chance to "rest and repair". So in combination with doing this along with a good diet of whole organic low sugar foods, eating foods that you are not allergic to, cutting out any stimulants, getting enough sleep, taking b-complex, vitamin c, any minerals you are deficient in, EFA's, drinking clean water,ect, getting your thyroid optimized if you have thyroid issues,ect, i see absolutely NO reason why your adrenals couldnt repair. Suzanne is on ALL kinds of hormones, including HGH, and she shouldnt really be on HGH when you have burnt out adrenals, thats what ive read anyways.



Beleive me if you have real adrenal fatigue, such as low DHEA-S and low monring Cortisol, then you definetly WILL want HC and thats the only way you can really heal the adrenals and allow them to rest and repair, as if you dont surpress ATCH then your body will keep trying to stimulate it to produce Cortisol is doesnt have, and you will get nowhere. Nothing worked for me like HC, and as quick as HC. Stimulants ****ed up my adrenals good and quick and i noticed big changes over night that lasted over 1 year before getting on HC, and i tried everything in that time period. I was getting worse and worse without HC.
Hey, I cant argue with that kind of testimony. If you are living a balanced life, and taking HC, and it's working, party on, dude. I'm happy for you.

I still think many on these boards get on the stuff without first properly vetting the potentially causes for the "fatigue." Often, it seems, folks are taking HC without first submitting to a comprehensive battery of tests, including dhea-s and cortisol (serum and saliva), and ATCH. That's dangerous, IMO. And it will often be catabolic, to boot.

Force of Green, I hope things improve for you. I suspect your dedication and perseverance will get you through this, just as they have caused you to succeed in myriad other ways.

Jan, my opinion of Sommers isn't going to change in this lifetime. But I think highly of you and what you bring to the boards, and to the extent her teachings/learnings have influenced your posts, I thank her, notwithstanding my belief that she is speaking out of school.

IMO, it's fine for her to write about how she survived cancer, including how she challenged the system; but I find her endorsement of (what I perceive to be) over-medicating to be irresponsible. Unlike you, most people are not responsible enough to take medicine into their own hands. They will turn to the meds, without the comprehensive vetting (i.e., testing) that you encourage.
 

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Thanks, yes i definetly agree that you should get the proper testing done before touching HC or any other drug,ect. I did numerous tests over and over and was just getting worse with time.
 
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Thanks, yes i definetly agree that you should get the proper testing done before touching HC or any other drug,ect. I did numerous tests over and over and was just getting worse with time.
I am seeing that alot of stimulants are wiping the adrenals pretty hard, But more so lack of proper sleep or therefore of quality sleep. I focus on several aspects of a person life and working on stablizing the adrenals through differnt modalities. So far when people come to visit me I tell them what I predict where the imbalances then write it down. Then i have them get clincal test done to verify this ..So far I have been greater then 90% accurate. When results come back clients are disturbed by how detailed they are.

PABA has a mechanism in unlocking copper metabolizing and can help to fascilate this in detoxifcation. Fast oxiders are usually copper deficency due to over active adrenals, but over time fast oxidizer will fall into slow oxiders. I am going to get my results back today (hair sample). I use a lab that is regualted by the EPA as for environmental toxicity.

My adrenal cortisol report did come back perfect !! as well as the urine test,
Here is the thing. Would the results be the same if I was working and doing about my daily business. I stopped the HC for 2 weeks and had just enough energy to function, but was little energy to workout. SO what I am gathering is this.. I had enough cortisol to sustain normal function, but not enought to enjoy life. I plain on further exploring this via urine when working out and dealing with normal life activities. Even though labs came back normal. I had to go back on HC to retain my normal functoining. I have a ND working with me because I have learned that you can not treat your self or love ones due to your judgement is impaired. I came to the conclusion that alot of people are going to run into this same issue and wonder why they get better temporary, but never long term. Best thing to do is to put it in a hands of a Doctor you trust. I have one of the best ND who is my mentor and a compassionate MD, the faith and desire to get better..
 

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I am seeing that alot of stimulants are wiping the adrenals pretty hard, But more so lack of proper sleep or therefore of quality sleep. I focus on several aspects of a person life and working on stablizing the adrenals through differnt modalities. So far when people come to visit me I tell them what I predict where the imbalances then write it down. Then i have them get clincal test done to verify this ..So far I have been greater then 90% accurate. When results come back clients are disturbed by how detailed they are.

PABA has a mechanism in unlocking copper metabolizing and can help to fascilate this in detoxifcation. Fast oxiders are usually copper deficency due to over active adrenals, but over time fast oxidizer will fall into slow oxiders. I am going to get my results back today (hair sample). I use a lab that is regualted by the EPA as for environmental toxicity.

My adrenal cortisol report did come back perfect !! as well as the urine test,
Here is the thing. Would the results be the same if I was working and doing about my daily business. I stopped the HC for 2 weeks and had just enough energy to function, but was little energy to workout. SO what I am gathering is this.. I had enough cortisol to sustain normal function, but not enought to enjoy life. I plain on further exploring this via urine when working out and dealing with normal life activities. Even though labs came back normal. I had to go back on HC to retain my normal functoining. I have a ND working with me because I have learned that you can not treat your self or love ones due to your judgement is impaired. I came to the conclusion that alot of people are going to run into this same issue and wonder why they get better temporary, but never long term. Best thing to do is to put it in a hands of a Doctor you trust. I have one of the best ND who is my mentor and a compassionate MD, the faith and desire to get better..
How much HC were you on and how soon did you wean off? What amount are you back on now?
 
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How much HC were you on and how soon did you wean off? What amount are you back on now?
I tampered down from 20 to 5 over a 3 weeks peroid then stop 2 weeks before the test. I am now on 10,5,5. My body can not tolerate generic HC. After being on it for 2 weeks I crash and turn into my evil twin. Its not a pretty sight..
 

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I tampered down from 20 to 5 over a 3 weeks peroid then stop 2 weeks before the test. I am now on 10,5,5. My body can not tolerate generic HC. After being on it for 2 weeks I crash and turn into my evil twin. Its not a pretty sight..

Interesting, any reason why generic HC would cause you to crash?
 

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