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    Adrenal fatigue will be the thing of the past.


    Through countless number of reseach and logging though the Gov't data bases I have found the possible missing key to low adrenal out put.
    Both the rheins test and the salvia test showed that adrenals on full functional been off cortef for 15 days ...:chick:

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    Can you let us know what you tried?
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    No, because some jack ass trolling the boards will take my years of research and take credit for it..It happened to me once before and not again. Do you blame me? Not untill I get the research published legally. My clients with low adrenals will be going on protocol and will be validated with clincial testing and data follow up.
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    Funny, I had a well researched formula for adrenal function (different than the others) along with formulas for cessation of narcotic use. Good luck Matrix!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Funny, I had a well researched formula for adrenal function (different than the others) along with formulas for cessation of narcotic use. Good luck Matrix!
    Trust me bro it goes much deeper then that OTC stuff !!
    It goes into the cellular level and even deeper then that !!
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    ...interesting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    It goes into the cellular level and even deeper then that !!
    How do you go deeper than the cellular level? DNA programming?
    Does this method have something to do with the hand to the sky treatment I read about on here the other day? lol jk man.

    Well, I guess you're just teasin everyone on here then aren't ya haha. Share a lil knowledge
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    How do you go deeper than the cellular level? DNA programming?
    Does this method have something to do with the hand to the sky treatment I read about on here the other day? lol jk man.

    Well, I guess you're just teasin everyone on here then aren't ya haha. Share a lil knowledge
    yeah still got no boner from that treatment

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    I hope he's not using drugs.

    "Someone's shadowing me on these boards... watching my every post."

    "It goes beyond OTC supps... beyond cellular levels... beyond SUBATOMIC PARTICLES!"

    lol, jk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    No, because some jack ass trolling the boards will take my years of research and take credit for it..It happened to me once before and not again. Do you blame me? Not untill I get the research published legally. My clients with low adrenals will be going on protocol and will be validated with clincial testing and data follow up.
    y dont u send urself a certified letter of all your findings and ingredients, once its postmarked like that it is a copyright. then come on and tell us to share the knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpapa View Post
    y dont u send urself a certified letter of all your findings and ingredients, once its postmarked like that it is a copyright. then come on and tell us to share the knowledge.
    That might work well for copyrighting a book, but it won't hold up in court for other things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    That might work well for copyrighting a book, but it won't hold up in court for other things.
    yeah i went over this in my business law class...it holds up in court
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    No, because some jack ass trolling the boards will take my years of research and take credit for it..It happened to me once before and not again. Do you blame me? Not untill I get the research published legally. My clients with low adrenals will be going on protocol and will be validated with clincial testing and data follow up.
    Do you have a time frame for publishing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mass_69 View Post
    Do you have a time frame for publishing?
    About 6 months It has been shown consistantly in every case but I want to have more concrete evidence then just a hand full of cases. When I start seeing same pattern in 100 consectivity cases then this will be evident back up.
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    So in 6 months we can get the cure? Do we need to see you in person or is it a combination of supplements,ect?


    I would love to heal my stupid adrenals already and get off of Cortef.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpapa View Post
    yeah i went over this in my business law class...it holds up in court

    It holds up for what purposes?
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    any update HAN?
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    How do you know if you suffer from adrenal fatigue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by colorado View Post
    How do you know if you suffer from adrenal fatigue?

    easy to find in a search. but here:

    Signs and Symptoms of Adrenal Fatigue


    Tendency to gain weight and unable to loose it, especially around the waist.
    High frequency of getting the flu and other respiratory diseases and these symptoms tend to last longer than usual.
    Tendency to tremble when under pressure.
    Reduced sex drive.
    Lightheaded when rising from a laying down position.
    Unable to remember things.
    Lack of energy in the mornings and also in the afternoon between 3 to 5 pm.
    Feel better suddenly for a brief period after a meal.
    Often feel tired betweeen 9 - 10 pm, but resist going to bed.
    Need coffee or stimulants to get going in the morning.
    Crave for salty, fatty, and high protein food such as meat and cheese.
    Increase symptoms of PMS for women; period are heavy and then stop, or almost stopped on the 4th day, only to start flow again on the 5th or 6th day.
    Pain in the upper back or neck with no apparent reasons .
    Feels better when stress is relieved, such as on a vacation.
    Difficulties in getting up in the morning
    Lightheaded

    Other signs and symptoms include:


    Mild depression
    Food and or inhalant allergies
    Lethargy and lack of energy
    Increased effort to perform daily tasks
    Decreased ability to handle stress
    Dry and thin skin
    Hypoglycemia
    Low Body Temperature
    Nervousness
    Palpitation
    Unexplained hair loss
    Alternating constipation and diarrhea
    Dyspepsia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    easy to find in a search. but here:

    Signs and Symptoms of Adrenal Fatigue


    Tendency to gain weight and unable to loose it, especially around the waist.
    High frequency of getting the flu and other respiratory diseases and these symptoms tend to last longer than usual.
    Tendency to tremble when under pressure.
    Reduced sex drive.
    Lightheaded when rising from a laying down position.
    Unable to remember things.
    Lack of energy in the mornings and also in the afternoon between 3 to 5 pm.
    Feel better suddenly for a brief period after a meal.
    Often feel tired betweeen 9 - 10 pm, but resist going to bed.
    Need coffee or stimulants to get going in the morning.
    Crave for salty, fatty, and high protein food such as meat and cheese.
    Increase symptoms of PMS for women; period are heavy and then stop, or almost stopped on the 4th day, only to start flow again on the 5th or 6th day.
    Pain in the upper back or neck with no apparent reasons .
    Feels better when stress is relieved, such as on a vacation.
    Difficulties in getting up in the morning
    Lightheaded

    Other signs and symptoms include:


    Mild depression
    Food and or inhalant allergies
    Lethargy and lack of energy
    Increased effort to perform daily tasks
    Decreased ability to handle stress
    Dry and thin skin
    Hypoglycemia
    Low Body Temperature
    Nervousness
    Palpitation
    Unexplained hair loss
    Alternating constipation and diarrhea
    Dyspepsia

    I think it's constructive of you to offer up this definition. The issue I have with adrenal fatigue (as opposed to addison's) is that the symptomology is the same as a number of different disorders, most notably chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, and certain forms of dysautonomia, and there is little in the way of objective criteria. That doesn't mean I don't think it exists.

    At one point, I was diagnosed as suffering from adrenal fatigue, as well as being markedly hypothyroid. Subsequently, I saw a very open-minded endo, who said that, based on his experience, most patients that see D.O.'s or anti-aging M.D.'s are diagnosed as being hypothyroid (or euthyroid sickness) and suffering from adrenal fatigue. He said, the truth is, in many cases, thyroid meds will lift the blues, and that hydrocortisone can help relieve stress. In my case, neither helped. What helped the most is treating my dysautonomia, which is a work in progress. I think adrenal fatigue may be over diagnosed, when there is no clear explanation for a treatment-resistant illness, not unlike the "depressed" label.

    Sorry, I digressed. Please note, my intent is not to undercut the issue that HAN has raised, but rather, to encourage using definitions to promote better communication, so that we can continue to support and help one another.
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    Jinxie what is dysautonomia? What are its causes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    Jinxie what is dysautonomia? What are its causes?

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    Dysfunctional autonomic nervous system -- overly/under active sympathetic and/or parasympathetic system. It can be genetic, viral or sometimes the consequence of physical trauma (e.g., head blow). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysautonomia

    It's very poorly understood. You really need to see a specialist to be properly diagnosed. Dinet.org is a useful site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinxie View Post
    Dysfunctional autonomic nervous system -- overly/under active sympathetic and/or parasympathetic system. It can be genetic, viral or sometimes the consequence of physical trauma (e.g., head blow). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysautonomia

    It's very poorly understood. You really need to see a specialist to be properly diagnosed. Dinet.org is a useful site.

    Is there anything that can be done for it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Through countless number of reseach and logging though the Gov't data bases I have found the possible missing key to low adrenal out put.
    Both the rheins test and the salvia test showed that adrenals on full functional been off cortef for 15 days ...:chick:
    Me too. Me too. But I cant tell you what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    Is there anything that can be done for it?


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    A number of meds that quell the adrenaline surges, e.g., beta blockers, alpha/beta blockers, and meds that expand blood volume, e.g., florinef, and meds that stabilize the autonomic system, benzos, SSRIs, etc.

    See http://dinet.org/what_helps.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinxie View Post
    A number of meds that quell the adrenaline surges, e.g., beta blockers, alpha/beta blockers, and meds that expand blood volume, e.g., florinef, and meds that stabilize the autonomic system, benzos, SSRIs, etc.

    See http://dinet.org/what_helps.htm
    How about GHB? How about Relora?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    How about GHB? How about Relora?
    Relora and PS are indicated for taming cortisol. I would think elevated cortisol and jacked catechols would go hand and hand, but it's not clear to me. I would be inclined to recommend relora and PS to people suffering from surging catechols. But then you have docs specializing in "adrenal fatigue" suggesting that low cortisol is the problem, and taking an evening dose of HC will reduce stress (possibly from adrenaline surges) thereby helping sleep. That doesn't make sense to me; cortisol should be basing during sleep, and I would think that cortisol taken in the evening would interrupt sleep. Thus, I am confused. Just as I am confused by people being diagnosed as suffering from adrenal fatigue even though they don't have low cortisol, and film reveals normal adrenals (not enlarged or atrophied).

    I've never heard of GHB being used for dysautonomia sufferers, but I do know that such patients often suffer from alpha intrustions, which causes highly fragmented, non-restorative sleep, and GHB is about the only thing out there that can treat this component of the symptomology. It's too bad you have to pay big bucks, and jump through a bunch of hoops to get the stuff now that big pharma owns it.
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    Here's what happens when I go to the gym around 10am. I did this test specifically on a workout day to see how my adrenals respond. Pathetic... cortisol starts low, then spikes (from workout), and then gives out for the rest of the day.

    I've read about people curing their low cortisol problems with PABA. PABA works like licorice to extend the life of cortisol. One problem I can see is increased estrogen... it delays excretion at the liver. This is ok for me because my estrogen is too low (I'm a fast metabolizer). This might be just what I need.
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    How do you feel when your cortisol bottoms out like this for the day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    How do you feel when your cortisol bottoms out like this for the day?
    Like crap... headache, brain fog, anxious, burnt out... but unable to sleep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinxie View Post
    Relora and PS are indicated for taming cortisol. I would think elevated cortisol and jacked catechols would go hand and hand, but it's not clear to me. I would be inclined to recommend relora and PS to people suffering from surging catechols. But then you have docs specializing in "adrenal fatigue" suggesting that low cortisol is the problem, and taking an evening dose of HC will reduce stress (possibly from adrenaline surges) thereby helping sleep. That doesn't make sense to me; cortisol should be basing during sleep, and I would think that cortisol taken in the evening would interrupt sleep. Thus, I am confused. Just as I am confused by people being diagnosed as suffering from adrenal fatigue even though they don't have low cortisol, and film reveals normal adrenals (not enlarged or atrophied).

    I've never heard of GHB being used for dysautonomia sufferers, but I do know that such patients often suffer from alpha intrustions, which causes highly fragmented, non-restorative sleep, and GHB is about the only thing out there that can treat this component of the symptomology. It's too bad you have to pay big bucks, and jump through a bunch of hoops to get the stuff now that big pharma owns it.
    Damn, you're one smart guy. Thanks for the info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Damn, you're one smart guy. Thanks for the info.

    Thanks brother. But it's really just a function of needing to be my best advocate. Our healthcare system is designed to catch the obvious, and if you don't fall within it, usually you are labeled as depressed, anxious, etc. So if you wish to get beyond the psychotropic band-aids, you need to start researching yourself.

    You seem bright as well, and I wish I had your definition! Keep up the good work, dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeanGuy View Post
    Here's what happens when I go to the gym around 10am. I did this test specifically on a workout day to see how my adrenals respond. Pathetic... cortisol starts low, then spikes (from workout), and then gives out for the rest of the day.

    I've read about people curing their low cortisol problems with PABA. PABA works like licorice to extend the life of cortisol. One problem I can see is increased estrogen... it delays excretion at the liver. This is ok for me because my estrogen is too low (I'm a fast metabolizer). This might be just what I need.
    Lean Guy, your values aren't so bad. I would imagine that if you aren't working out, you prolly have higher levels at 4 pm. And you want those low values come sleepy time. When I did the saliva test, my rhythm was completely reversed -- highest at midnight, lowest in the morning.

    I agree, mid-day licorice (or PABA, if that works similarly) may do it. Or maybe 2.5 mgs of HC. But I think the natural route may be preferred.

    Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinxie View Post
    Thanks brother. But it's really just a function of needing to be my best advocate. Our healthcare system is designed to catch the obvious, and if you don't fall within it, usually you are labeled as depressed, anxious, etc. So if you wish to get beyond the psychotropic band-aids, you need to start researching yourself.

    You seem bright as well, and I wish I had your definition! Keep up the good work, dude.
    I have been having a lot of issues lately. Stress induced eating, anxiety attacks (never had them until recently), all day fatigue, amotivation, and decreased daily performance in everything and anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinxie View Post
    I agree, mid-day licorice (or PABA, if that works similarly) may do it. Or maybe 2.5 mgs of HC. But I think the natural route may be preferred.

    Good luck.
    Yeah I am trying to heal adrenals with nutrition... vitamin C, B-5, zinc but it's such a slow process. Its almost like I need to quit working out for 6-12 months which sucks. Licorice isn't good for men because it reduces testosterone... so I'm researching the PABA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeanGuy View Post
    Yeah I am trying to heal adrenals with nutrition... vitamin C, B-5, zinc but it's such a slow process. Its almost like I need to quit working out for 6-12 months which sucks. Licorice isn't good for men because it reduces testosterone... so I'm researching the PABA.
    In her book, Breakthrough, Suzan Sommers interview about 10 top doctors.
    One of the findings.
    There is no such a thing as healing adrenals.
    If one have weak adrenasls, they have to be supported for life.

    Suzan, among other problems have weak adrenals, she supports them with Cortef (IIRC).

    She is keeping an eye on steam cel theraphy.
    There are claims that adrenals can be rebuild using steam cells.
    There is a procedure already to do it.
    I assume that she is not convinced yet that it is good enough so she could use it for herself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    In her book, Breakthrough, Suzan Sommers interview about 10 top doctors.
    One of the findings.
    There is no such a thing as healing adrenals.
    If one have weak adrenasls, they have to be supported for life.
    Maybe she hasn't read Dr Wilson's book LOL. My spectracell was low in zinc, b5 and VC so I definitely want to see what my adrenals do when I build those back up before I commit to lifelong HC. I'm sure there is a point of no return, but I'm not there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeanGuy View Post
    Maybe she hasn't read Dr Wilson's book LOL. My spectracell was low in zinc, b5 and VC so I definitely want to see what my adrenals do when I build those back up before I commit to lifelong HC.
    I think it is good to indentify defficiecies and then make an effort to correct them.

    With time, we will see if that will help you ween out of adrenal support. Lets hope that it will.
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