The dark urine is natural when taking DIM. It actually means it's working. I am having the same issue as you except Dr. John has said that DIM should not be taken without TMG because the TMG works in conjunction with DIM to metabolise the bad estrogens and take them through the liver as waste. Take a look at my thread called DIM is making me feel worse and the same thread on Meso-RX for more insight. Also look at this site:
Diindolylmethane DIM
#1. Please post links to your other threads
#2. I feel it is very important to have a handle on DIM, it is major part in our supplements
#3. People are taking DIM of all kind of brands and aside of quality issue I see issue of amount of DIM taken.
one pill of Indolplex have 0.25x120=30mg of DIM
PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM
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one pill of Dual-Action from LEF have 14mg of DIM, and advice to take one pill per 160# body weight.
Dual-Action Cruciferous Vegetable Extract With Resveratrol & Cat's Claw, 60 Vegetarian Capsules
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DIM (Diindolylmethane) have 75mg or 150 mg DIM and advice to take 2 pills daily.
That is 20x the LEF dose and Indoplex dose, since many people are taking half a pill of Indolplex.
Diindolylmethane DIM
In no place, (except posts of Dr John) I seen advice on use of TMG when DIM is taken.
Dr John uses still another brand of DIM, (Yesterday, 09:17 PM )(It also contains I3C, Dr Zeligs belittles value of I3C), but I cannot figure out the actual amount of DIM in those pills.
Quote:"I use Nick Delgado's Estroblock product. As some of you know, I served as his company's Medical Director for several years."
ULTIMATE MEDICAL RESEARCH, LLC
Estro-Block plus I3C
Indole-3-Carbinol (I3C) 50 mg DIM Complex 100 mg Blend of: Diindolylmethane Vitamin E as d-alpha tocepherol succinate Phosphatidylcholine Glucosamine RX Proprietary Time-Released Blend 850 mg Glucosamine TimeOsamine (as Glucosamine Sulfate 2KCL)
But on the order page is slightly different description
Estroblock with I3C 60 count
Estroblock 60 ct has 100mg DIM with I3C 50mg for reducing fat building estrogens and restoring the good estrogens. Estroblock can be taken every night, to correct estrogens to testosterone and improve the lean ratio to muscle.
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What and how much to use? How to regulate the dose?
If it influences (however indirectly) E2 as we think it does, it is quite sensitive issue.