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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Does it make sense now?
    You need to lower copper sources (diet/ check water content for copper), job at night time. walk out side more and get fresh air if you have too

    take 500 mgs c every time you take your ferritin it will increase absorption.
    NAC, r-ALA, milk thistle, vitamin C, iron, sulfur foods will reduce copper and zinc..

    EGGS raw organic eggs are high in sulfur but add in 500 mcg molybdenum to help metabolize the sulfur or it could make u worse..
    i orderd nac ala

    milk thisle i have used a couple of time with none result bad or good

    back in 1997 when i had pfiefer i took a lot of vit C because this helped me to get more energy 2-3 years a go a doc said stop everthing you take,

    last night i took 1000mg vit c i had to pi 15 times !
    there is some reaction on the vit c.

    is there a website that i can see food where is copper or not ?

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    Copper Toxicity

    Excessive copper will retain urine !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Copper Toxicity

    Excessive copper will retain urine !!
    is it posible to have metal toxcity and still liver value 's are good ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Buster View Post
    is it posible to have metal toxcity and still liver value 's are good ?
    YEP run a liver detoxification challenge test.
    My liver enzymes are perfect at rest give it a toxins and pathways get all clogged up ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    YEP run a liver detoxification challenge test.
    My liver enzymes are perfect at rest give it a toxins and pathways get all clogged up ..
    you have the same problem ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Buster View Post
    you have the same problem ???

    Yep low gluthione levels
    Detoxication pathway 2 is over loaded
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Yep low gluthione levels
    Detoxication pathway 2 is over loaded
    your have just started the treatment ?

    and do you feel any results yet ?

    gluthione levels can these test in blood ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Buster View Post
    your have just started the treatment ?

    and do you feel any results yet ?

    gluthione levels can these test in blood ?
    I am still waiting to get blood test back to see where my copper and iron, zinc levels are at as well as estrodial, test and free test, homocysteine. Then i will have a good idea where I stand with things. I think my estrogen is too low and not allowing copper to be absorbed properly. but tommorrow then should be here. Because copper defiency and excess symtpoms are identical and makes it hard to distinguish. If you had homocystein levels checked it would probably show an imbalnace of either high or low..
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    I am still waiting to get blood test back to see where my copper and iron, zinc levels are at as well as estrodial, test and free test, homocysteine. Then i will have a good idea where I stand with things. I think my estrogen is too low and not allowing copper to be absorbed properly. but tommorrow then should be here. Because copper defiency and excess symtpoms are identical and makes it hard to distinguish. If you had homocystein levels checked it would probably show an imbalnace of either high or low..
    you may have my copper

    when i am at home i go look at last blood and urine tests and old ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Buster View Post
    you may have my copper

    when i am at home i go look at last blood and urine tests and old ones.

    Well yours is releasing mine is bounded and bulit up in the tissue and not releasing for some reason or it may be releasing and i just do not know it yet.

    I had low copper serum and tried supplementing for 1 month at 5 mgs and it did not budge...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Well yours is releasing mine is bounded and bulit up in the tissue and not releasing for some reason or it may be releasing and i just do not know it yet.

    I had low copper serum and tried supplementing for 1 month at 5 mgs and it did not budge...
    that is also not good !


    my levels are in urine measeurd

    i found a couple of links in dutch they talk about taking:

    b6 pyroc....
    foliumacid
    b12 3000mcg country lif

    in best forms will balance the system again when there is low levels
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    i dont have bllodtest for homcysten only

    monocysten 11 2--10 to high
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Buster View Post
    i dont have bllodtest for homcysten only

    monocysten 11 2--10 to high
    add this tis your list
    Homocysteine
    Hematocrit
    C-reactive protein (high-sensitivity)
    Fibrinogen
    Bilirubin
    Ferritin
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    went to the doc today..

    she says you have a strange problem but we gonna find it !

    monday i have to go for next bloodtest for a lot of things.

    and i may start ala nac and legalon to try..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Buster View Post
    went to the doc today..

    she says you have a strange problem but we gonna find it !

    monday i have to go for next bloodtest for a lot of things.

    and i may start ala nac and legalon to try..
    check all jansz said before add uric acid too since monocystein may be relation ship to homosysteine or you may have meant monocytes which deals with immune system.


    Uric acid: A new look at an old risk marker for cardiovascular disease, metabolic syndrome, and type 2 diabetes mellitus: The urate redox shuttle
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    check all jansz said before add uric acid too since monocystein may be relation ship to homosysteine or you may have meant monocytes which deals with immune system.


    Uric acid: A new look at an old risk marker for cardiovascular disease, metabolic syndrome, and type 2 diabetes mellitus: The urate redox shuttle
    i let that test to.

    i have to find a lab that does amnioacid profil because i read the book building the perfect beast and tolked about that with my doc and she has heard that before
    because i have a problem when i take aminoacdis she want to see the testresults.

    the other bloodwork i have to travel 200km because other labs she does not trust
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Buster View Post
    i let that test to.

    i have to find a lab that does amnioacid profil because i read the book building the perfect beast and tolked about that with my doc and she has heard that before
    because i have a problem when i take aminoacdis she want to see the testresults.

    the other bloodwork i have to travel 200km because other labs she does not trust

    You are very fortunate to have such a compassionate dr. I think you are amino acid intolerant for some reason and ;lack of proper digestive enyzme will do that.

    i think this can help you out with lab this is one I used

    The Great Plains Laboratory ist Ihr Zentrum fur Untersuchungstests und Analyse fur Autismus, tiefgreifende Entwicklungsstorungen (PDD) und fur ahnliche und verwandte Storungen.

    or it may be this one LOL I get germany and dutch missed up but i figure I give them both. I know how people are proud of there nationality

    De Test van het autisme - Test voor Autisme, Doordringende Ontwikkelingswanorde (PDD), autisme-als syndroom en het Autistische verwante testen van de Wanorde.



    This test will answer your copper question
    The Great Plains Laboratory ist Ihr Zentrum fur Untersuchungstests und Analyse fur Autismus, tiefgreifende Entwicklungsstorungen (PDD) und fur ahnliche und verwandte Storungen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    You are very fortunate to have such a compassionate dr. I think you are amino acid intolerant for some reason and ;lack of proper digestive enyzme will do that.

    i think this can help you out with lab this is one I used

    The Great Plains Laboratory ist Ihr Zentrum fur Untersuchungstests und Analyse fur Autismus, tiefgreifende Entwicklungsstorungen (PDD) und fur ahnliche und verwandte Storungen.

    or it may be this one LOL I get germany and dutch missed up but i figure I give them both. I know how people are proud of there nationality

    De Test van het autisme - Test voor Autisme, Doordringende Ontwikkelingswanorde (PDD), autisme-als syndroom en het Autistische verwante testen van de Wanorde.



    This test will answer your copper question
    The Great Plains Laboratory ist Ihr Zentrum fur Untersuchungstests und Analyse fur Autismus, tiefgreifende Entwicklungsstorungen (PDD) und fur ahnliche und verwandte Storungen.

    i have found one in Holland.

    i also start with 100 mg q10 and 5 mg nadh works for some people without energy..

    also got my thyroid-s they say its is stronger then the powder version sold here.(more T3)

    for now i only feel
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