VARICOCELE...can it effect testosterone?
02-04-2011 04:29 PM
I think a lot of people worry too much about these things.
Look - ballz are connected to your body with tubes and viens and stuff - they feel like "worms" to some ... but those would be normal "worms" and not the abnormal "worms" that you get with vari. Don't self diagnose - see a doctor on this.
Second - size ... my right one is the "work horse" ... it's lower, and bigger than the left. This is a normal condition. My left one is about 75% of the mass of the right. Having one "small" one doesn't necessarily equal atrophy.
Third - I'd like to see some more info on this - because I think that one nut can supply all your testosterone needs.
02-07-2011 09:08 AM
Honda, I think you're right in most cases. For those with varicocele (if unilateral) I think even if you look at it like you've got 1.5 balls working for you they've got to be able to put out decent T if things like LH/FSH are in order.
In my opinion noticeable varicoceles should be fixed in almost all cases, if there is still an issue with T you owe it to yourself to check other hormones to confirm primary or secondary failure. Just doesn't make sense to me that with 1.5 working balls T could be in the toilet.
More news on my surgery recovery, close to a month after the microsurgery...recovery is going well, I'm lifting again, will run soon. However, the varicocele persists when standing and deflates when laying. I'm going in this week to get a referral to a radiologist for him to check the veins and schedule an embolization. Unfortunately the surgery was almost a complete failure...
After some research on why they persist, there are collateral veins that often supply 2nd and 3rd sources of blood to the varicocele. When operating they cut the big veins but often leave the smaller veins, allowing the varicocele vein that may be cut above to still fill up with blood (slightly slower) and live on.
The great thing about the embolization is they can inject dye and see all the pathways that are filling those veins and block them all. Therefore, as long as the coils hold their position (schlerosing agents help) you'll know when you walk out of the hospital whether the procedure was a technical success or not...seems to me the embolization from a skilled doc isn't as bad as this forum would lead you to believe.
I'm really wishing I would've done the embolization first as it would've saved me a scar and I'm going through it anyway...
02-07-2011 02:24 PM
STM, I was under the impression it takes months for the veins to "die" after surgery...
02-07-2011 02:47 PM
I believe it takes them months to die, but they shouldn't inflate/deflate anymore. More like a hard mass of clotted blood shrinking over time. Blood flow indicates veins still connected to a blood source...I think.
I'll know more after seeing the radiologist. Worst case scenario he embolized the missed veins.
02-07-2011 11:47 PM
Hey guys, I am new here. The reason I joined is actually cause i have had a grade 3 vericocele and low testosterone accompanying it, this site helped me learn more about the issue and helped alot. Anyway I have alot of experience to share.
I am 22 years old, i had a grade III bi lateral vericocele and a benign tumor on left nut.
BEFORE SURGERY (9 months ago)- my testosterone was at 490, though I had started getting MAJOR erectile disfunction, and also starting shooting blood instead of cum (Result of tumor). So since i had both vericocele and tumor, the doctor at Weil cornell decided to split it up into 2 surgeries. He prescribed me Cialis, and 8 pumps of Androgel after surgery 1.
I put on 20 pounds in 4 months of muscle cause of androgel and lifting ( I lost weight, I was 142, and got to 165), and the third month I had a second surgery.
Now its about 5 months since my second surgery fully completed, and I have had multiple testosterone tests. I came off androgel 2 months ago snce my levels declined to 390....Without androgel, 2 months later I am at 345? My estrogen is at 36 aswell...The estrogen could be since iam takin 100 DHEA.
Nyway, my T-levels stayed the same so far and my doc wants to put me back on the adrogel with also arimidex...Im feelin reeli ****ty about having HRT at 22 after the surgery and after I stopped HRT...Guys pls comment on my situation, if anyone has questions pls feel free to ask...btw life is ALOT better without those veins
02-08-2011 10:35 AM
In what ways? Your testosterone before surgery was 490 (where most men can function quite normally) and 345 after the surgery. I understand the tumor HAD to be removed, but how has repairing the varicocele improved your life or health if test levels are lower and you may need HRT for life anyway?
Originally Posted by cocomack
02-08-2011 08:45 PM
so sorry, honest error my t was 290 b4 surgery, and whilst on 8 pumps of androgel it raised to 1000 something (dont remember exactly)
Other negatives of vericocele...those veins were massive (Grade 3, Bilateral)...it looked like i had a bag of fkn blue worms in my ball sack (Grosses **** u ll ever see)...my t levels were low, n I couldnt get hard ever...literally. I remember a sad moment where i was drunk at 10 pm and had 2 girls ready to go, n it stayed flaccid, they were both like wtf dude, one of em asked me if i was even attracted to girls lol
N THE SAD THING IS EVEN WHEN I WAS SOBER i could barely get it 80 percent hard.
The reason was the veins cut of circulation, And it lowered my T score to 290, it correlated with ED, and other low t symptoms. BTW, i once again apologize for writing 490, honest error.
With HRT for life...maybe I might need it for life, I dont know, that hasn't been confirmed. Plus why walk around with massive veins, its sensless, unless its lower then a grade three i believe its definetly alot free'r down there without the veins.
02-08-2011 09:56 PM
"2) sever worry and sleep loss and poor diet also have a major impact on T levels and libido. The more I worried about this the less libido I had until I thought I was broken. Finally I told myself I was acting crazy and I was having sex again within a couple days"
Thereís a lot of truth to what youíve said here. Iíve had a visible left sided grade 2 varicocele since I can remember. My libido didnít take a hit until about 2-3 years ago after getting through 2 extremely stressful events in my life. Before that getting wood was never a problem. Stress and worrying are HUGE factors for libido which I still face today. I got through college but am now in an extremely stressful job which isnít helping. I can noticeably tell my libido comes back after a long weekend not worrying about my job. Of course a proper diet, exercise, and sleep are key as well.
I personally think forums like these do more damage than good for varicocele sufferers. I honestly didnít think having a varicocele was that big of a deal until I read testosterone could be affected. After that discovery I started developing a lot of negative ďself talk.Ē The varicocele topic was on my mind all day and a constant source of worry. I remember always thinking that if I didnít do the surgery my nut would shrink away and decrease t levels at an exponential rate. Finally I went ahead and did the surgery to bring me some peace of mind.
Itís been about a year since my surgery and my focus has turned to my overall health and happiness. Iím trying to stay dedicated to keeping fit, improving my diet, and removing stress from my life. Friends and hobbies are a big help and keep you from being depressed and feeling sorry for yourself. My 2 cents on this topic right now..
02-10-2011 02:09 AM
Are varicoceles guarenteed to lower testosterone
02-12-2011 01:23 PM
Not guaranteed to lower anything, but can in some people. In my opinion you're likely to be fine with a small/medium sized varicocele, maybe for life, maybe not. I think they're worth getting fixed if covered by insurance because they can have an effect and the longer you've got it the more chances you're giving it to affect you.
Having said that, I wouldn't sweat having one, as long as you get it checked out.
02-13-2011 10:16 PM
My loads don't seem as large or as powerful as before. To the people that have had the surgery, does that improve?
I'm not sure if I want to go through with the surgery. I've heard so many bad stories...
I mainly just want to get rid of the occasional aching and my saggy scrotum
02-14-2011 09:35 AM
I have the same problem, not sure about surgery either.
02-18-2011 12:01 PM
Have had a varicocele since I was 12 years old and am 20 now. I'v been worried for years about it effecting my testosterone and finally decided to have it tested. And guess what? My total T came to 850 ng/dL. So before you convince yourself that you have low T bc of a varicocele, get your **** checked
02-18-2011 10:32 PM
you may want to get it repaired anyway, things are good now, but you dont really want to be 36 years old with a 20+ year old varicocele and test levels at 320...just high enough that no doc is willing to help you. to compare my 34 yo brother with hepatatis b, and no varicocele has double my test levels.
Originally Posted by Viper Six
03-11-2011 01:19 PM
You who are worried about your testosterone levels, i suggest you check out the studies i posted earlier. You have nothing to be worried about.
In fact here is a study that was conducted just last month
Serum FSH (10.42 +/- 10.84 vs 9.11 +/- 18.81, p < 0.001) and Testosterone (5.73 +/- 5.97 vs 5.21 +/- 2.43, p < 0.001) levels were significantly higher in patients with varicocele
compared to patients without varicocele.
It may just be a coincidence in this case, but the other studies i posted showed zero correlation between varicocele and testosterone. In fact most people experience they have lower testostorne because they believe they do, due to the varicocele.
Personally i do not want a surgeon cutting near my balls, there is too much space for human error. I will stand by and await medical help to regenerate collapsed valves
04-01-2011 08:11 PM
Had the embolization done. Will report back on recovery. Procedure was painless, feel no pain now and its 3 hours later. Cost me $1000
04-04-2011 09:38 PM
I had decreasing testosterone before i even knew what a varicocele was. I am bilateral as well, and this is the first study i have seens that claims men with varicoceles have HIGHER testosterone levels. THe ones I have read indicate that starting in the mid to late 30s will see lower testosterone levels due to long term leydig cell damage. If i was not on a crappy work computer i would dig up the references but this computer nearly freezes up with multiple tabs open.
Originally Posted by nidhogg
04-13-2011 09:33 PM
Testicular torsion of left testicle when I was 17; after surgery a varicocele formed. I am now 30 and recently became concerned about low testosterone. Had levels checked by a local anti-aging doctor a couple of weeks ago. My TSH is at 10.693 uIU/mL and total testosterone is 289 ng/dL. Still waiting on other results from Genova Diagnostics for serum levels. He just sent me a script for .75 mg of synthroid and said that I have "additional hormone imbalances" to address at next visit. Has anyone had success raising testosterone levels by treating hypothyroidism with synthroid? Also, would it be alright to take synthroid for hypothyroidism while on testosterone replacement therapy?
04-13-2011 10:23 PM
Yes you can take T4 along with HRT, but you may not need it. Hypothyroid conditions cause hormone imbalances including low testosterone. Raising thyroid may very well raise your test levels.
Originally Posted by jdub1980
04-18-2011 10:35 AM
My varicocele developed when I was 17. It was fairly noticeable at that time. But over the years, it seems that the varicocele has shrank along with the testicle. Could the varicocele get smaller as the testicle it feeds atrophies? Also, it feels like the varicocele vein goes up into my body.
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