- 11-28-2006, 09:14 PM
- 11-29-2006, 03:04 PM
Originally Posted by DSA1
I believe that naturally test is pulsed..or released at different times.
Of course I could be wrong..
11-29-2006, 03:48 PM
You're right. Morning levels are supposed to be the highest. However, I don't see how this relates to weekly applications. It doesn't seem that once, twice or even three times a week would replicate the body's natural rythm. The idea of applying more frequently would be to maintain levels.Originally Posted by Ripw4
11-29-2006, 04:35 PM
On Androgel site:
Figure 2 on page 5
line corresponding to Androgel 10g day 180 (short dashed line) (really steady state)
right side (24 hrs) ends with 680ng/dL
spike, at two hours after gel application, is at 850ng/dL
wonder if that is enough of a "pulse"
I am using 2 packs (10g) of Androgel daily, as on chart above.
what is better, apply both packs once daily (larger "pulse")
every 12 hours, (smaller "pulse")
11-29-2006, 05:49 PM
Originally Posted by JanSz
It probably is enough of a pulse, and it's on a daily basis whereas injections wouldn't be. I think the slpit is better.
11-29-2006, 06:25 PM
Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf
Exactly. That's why I asked how it related to cypionate injections. On weekly, or even more frequent injections (I do small dose cypionate every three days), the goal has been to achieve a more steady level....nothing "pulsed" about that.
Maybe daily cypionate would "pulse" you...but ouch, unless you're doing sub-q, that's a lot of holes to poke in yourself.
11-29-2006, 06:48 PM
I don't see how it relates to cypioante injections. Your method of dosing every three days makes the most sense for maintaining levels. I don't think you can compare it to implants. Injections can be adjusted to suit your needs - pellets I'm not so sure about. I think your stuck with what you get.Originally Posted by DSA1
11-29-2006, 06:56 PM
There is a water based testosterone suspension that can be injected daily and subq. I thought it wasn't used because less frequest shots were more convenient. However, there could be other reasons.Originally Posted by DSA1
11-29-2006, 07:31 PM
Well, we're getting off track of the original question I directed to Dr John in response to something he posted in another thread. What he posted that sparked my query was: "Even though they provide a steady T supply (which, by the way, is NOT considered a benefit by many of us, as "pulsing" is more and more looking like the way to go)"Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf
I know he has recomend both transdermals and cypionate in the past, and I guess my real question should be more in-depth and along the lines of:
What is the benefit of "pulsing" vs a steady state, and how does one acheive a "pulsing" type effect with the common treatments available? I'm specifically interested in cypionate, because that's what my Rx is for, but I'm sure others are curious as well.
11-29-2006, 08:14 PM
Sorry...I didn't catch the background on your post.Originally Posted by DSA1
I can imagine the benefits of pulsing. Other hormones are affected by the release of testosterone. I doubt you can replicate natural pulsation through oil based injections. I think you would need a transdermal application.
11-30-2006, 12:39 AM
Originally Posted by DSA1Originally Posted by Dr. John
Looks like it is over my head.
To improve my understanding I could use little longer explanation,
perhaps with example or two.
Definitely it is interesting topic.
11-30-2006, 07:09 AM
Dr. John, wouldnt 50 or so IU of hCG every morning(along with Testosterone), be more accurate? (In terms of mimicing natural hormone rythems)
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