My Road To Being Me Again
- 01-04-2007, 10:56 PM
Injection again tonight. Smooth as silk. I really have no recourse but to stay on this therapy until I can get to my Urologist. I figure I'm pretty much shutdown now anyway.
Speaking of my GP Dr. he is finally back in town, so now I'm going to attempt to get my blood work done to see what is going on.
Sex is still pretty much a failure, and no morning wood. However, on a good note, I am much better than where I was before I started TRT. At least I'm interested in sex again, and I can manage an erection, although it isn't long lasting.
Next payday I'm going to order the DIM and TMG as suggested and see what happens, unless I can get the bloodwork done.
- 01-05-2007, 10:37 PM
A pleasant surprise last night. I rolled over to get more comfortable to find an erection you could have bronzed! Unfortunately it didn't show itself this morning when I woke up......go figure.
01-07-2007, 09:56 PM
Anyone have any idea how much my test levels would typically increase at 100mg Test C each week that I am on? In theory, would it add an extra 400ng of total, or 500 etc? I'm just curious.
I need to get this HRT thing figured out.....sex was yet another failure again yesterday. I am truely blessed to have such a patient and loving wife to put up with this kind of crap. She deserves better.
01-09-2007, 09:50 PM
I was there too bro (except for the ED)
So MD Hunter,
I am only telling you this, because the group below helps exactly what you are talking about and I personally have found success and its MD administered and safe. I am not advertising, but I am a true believer, as I am an entrepreneur, that when a business does me good, others will know about it.
12 Months ago, I was overweight, low libido, sagging muscles, no energy and no drive to even want to get energy. I was a bit depressed also. It was then I read an article in GQ Magazine on Cenegenics. Here is the article; NXTbook flash detection page
Cenegenics, and particularly my doc, Rusty Silverman of The Silverman System Age Management Medicine in Margate NJ have been an amazing asset to my life. I am not a body builder, nor do I want to be, I am a big guy, work out hard and look good. I am 285lbs, 6'4" and under 20% bfi. Do I want to get more lean, yes, but not much bigger. Well this is how I have always felt, and not until I started the program did I actually see measurable results. I am 39 years old and feel better and look better than I ever have. I grow in the gym like a weed and have as much energy as I want to have. My mind is quick and I am always ready for sex.
I also cannot confirm this, but prior to this program, my wife and I had been trying to get pregnant for 5 years to no avail. Well, 15 weeks ago we found out we were pregnant. Say what you want, but I cant help but think this program may have had something to do with it.
The program is fairly simple, 1 shot of HGH daily from my click pen in the stomach. Not painful at all. 2 times a week I take HCG and take DHEA, Folic and Melatonin daily. That's it. My blood is tested every 3 months and the amounts are adjusted accordingly. My levels are all at where I was in my 20's. In fact, I am so into the program, I was interviewed and was the feature in an article about my experience and why I would do something like this. I can post it of you want.
So I would say, at the very least, either call Dr. Silverman or Cenegenics and go for the free analysis, I think its free, I cant really remember, but It really is worth it. At that point you can make up your mind if it is something you want to do. The program costs me on average in the $750 a month or so, but hey, I am sure you are worth a car payment a month.
And one last thing, prior to this program, I had never given myself a shot and have never been on steroids, and am not now. I am thinking about fat cutters though, but probably wont have the balls to actually do it. But thats me.
I would love to hear your thoughts.
All the best,
01-12-2007, 01:14 PM
I appreciate the information Slyder! I'll surely do some additional reading. Realizing that insuranc doesn't cover much, I've got a lot of bloodwork to get done before I finalze my therapy though. Thanks again.....very much appreciated!
01-12-2007, 08:07 PM
Injection went just fine today one day late (but what the hell). These are easier and easier now. I get the wife to do my glutes since I have a tough time reaching around.
ED still persists and libido isn't where it should be for someone on 100mg Test C per week. Kinda tough to explain. It as if I can be talked into sex, like. yeah, I could do that! But to be actually horny? Not yet. I'm going to try some DIM pmgamer recommended.
In the meantime, the paperwork is AFU between my PCP and my Urologist. This doesn't surprise me in the least. Why make anything easy, right? I need to get this straightened out so I can get my bloodwork done. So Tues, I will go see my PCP personally and take care of this mess.
The situation is starting to grow desperate. I'm sick and tired of this. On a good note, the test has me feeling good, much like my old self, except for the ED of course.
01-12-2007, 11:32 PM
Thanks for sharing.Originally Posted by Slyder1
It would help if you could post complete list of what tests you get, also the ranges that they want you to stay at.
Any other details.
01-13-2007, 10:20 AM
The blood tests are very comprehensive and include every test imaginable including liver state. Depending on what you are prescribed, your test will vary. And by the way, they send the girl to my office to draw the blood, I don't have to visit the Docs office that often.
Regarding the levels, again, that is depending on your current state and your age and such. My levels are in the middle high which is optimal for the functions I mentioned prior. I hesitate to write numbers down as they are specific to the client.
I would suggest that you click on the link for the GQ article and read it, it is very informative.
NXTbook flash detection page
01-19-2007, 08:43 PM
Since starting on HRT, I have noticed my joints are sore as hell when I'm done lifting. They seem to hurt almost all the time, even though I am on glucosamine. I've also noticed I feel "hot" all the time. ED is still persistent and no morning wood. Injections remain at 100mg Test C every week. I started on DIM once a day as I have a lot of symptoms of high E2 levels.
Unfortunately I cannot afford to see Dr. John just yet, so I'll have to deal with this for awhile. Next appointment I have with my Dr I'll request a host of blood tests for reference. This will be my first priority. Till then......I remain positive.
01-19-2007, 11:04 PM
Habe you tried "alternative" methods? Seriously, you might want to check out Raike http://reikiwellnesscenter.org/page2.html or Accupuncture, Acupuncture.Com - Gateway to Chinese Medicine, Health and Wellness. I have used it in the past, and my brother who was really messed up in the war swears by it for his physical ailments. I wish you the best.
01-19-2007, 11:05 PM
Have you tried "alternative" methods? Seriously, you might want to check out Raike http://reikiwellnesscenter.org/page2.html or Accupuncture, Acupuncture.Com - Gateway to Chinese Medicine, Health and Wellness. I have used it in the past, and my brother who was really messed up in the war swears by it for his physical ailments. I wish you the best.
01-20-2007, 06:58 PM
Slyder....I really do appreciate the advice. My insurance problem is conpounded by the fact that I am retired military. Everything I do, or desire to be seen for must go through my military physican first. Obviously it is much more complicated, but you get the jest of it.
A lot of really great people here (including yourself) have offered help, and I have it all listed. Once I can get the mountains of paperwork completed, and my PCP approval, I plan on addressing these issues with a qualified professional.
01-21-2007, 07:35 PM
A little OT, sorry,
I would really like to see a doctor truely knowledgable close to where I live, I have been googling for a half hour and I cant find your doc:
Rusty Silverman of The Silverman System Age Management Medicine in Margate NJ
Can you provide anymore info? Address, phone, etc?
(I dont think this is against the board rules, as I want to find a new doctor, if it is I apologize, mods please delete then)
Any help would be appreciated.
Or any other doctors in NJ in the trt/hrt field who really know what they are doing would also be great.
01-21-2007, 07:43 PM
Doctor Silverman is found through Cenegenics itself, or you can call Dr. Rusty Silverman at 609-653-0099. Tell him that you got his info from the guy who was interviewed about his work in the Atlantic City Press, he will know me.
Hes great and he does not push it on you, just makes you aware. He also practices what he preaches.
Best of luck,
Slyder1 (SK of Philadelphia)
01-21-2007, 07:47 PM
Thanks so much Slyder1, I need to find someone who knows what they are doing. I will post a thread some time in the future, and probably ask for some of your advice.
01-21-2007, 08:40 PM
01-22-2007, 09:21 PM
At the suggestion of pmgamer, I tried some DIM from the Rite Care site he suggested. Figured I have almost 4 weeks till I can get back to my Dr so I'd like to see what effect if any it would have. Less than a week on it and my erect nipples have calmed down substantially. Erections have returned, and remain relatively strong, although duration is still a problem. For me, this is good news. At least I feel I'm headed in the right direction, even though the progress is slow.
I'll get off of it next week, in time for it to clear my system before blood tests are done.
01-22-2007, 09:49 PM
You might try some Cialis 20 mgs. take it every 72 hrs. until you get your mind off it believe me when you have had this problem the other head gets in the way. I do this take Cialis.
Originally Posted by SoMdHunter
01-23-2007, 09:07 PM
Yeah, been thinking that I may have to retrain myself again. Damn this shouldn't be this tough! But my Dr. gave me a sample pack of Cialis to try. First one was pretty good, second one nothing. I'm saving the last one for this weekend while I'm on the DIM. I'm hoping this combination works for me.Originally Posted by pmgamer18
01-23-2007, 10:29 PM
Cialis works dam good if you take it every 72 hrs with DIM your morning wood comes back and this is dam good health for the penis.Originally Posted by SoMdHunter
01-24-2007, 01:13 PM
If you are border line with E2, when using Cialis, take it 6 to even 12 hours before "event".Originally Posted by SoMdHunter
01-24-2007, 05:18 PM
01-25-2007, 09:59 PM
Sex with the wife.Originally Posted by Slyder1
Thanks for the info janSz, I'll remember that. I only have one left so I want to make it count.
In the meantime, the DIM seems to have helped a bit. I really can't explain it, but sometimes erections are there, sometimes they aren't. Very intermittent and frustrating as hell.
Another injection again tonight as scheduled. I got my paperwork all straightened out, so now I can get to my Urologist as planned. I'm going to talk to him about working with Dr. John and see how receptive he is to the idea.
On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the worse, I started this trip being a 1. No libido, severe ED, loss of muscle strength, tired, getting fat, the whole nine yards.
After 3 months on Androgel with no improvement, I'm now 2 months into my scheduled injections. I'd say I'm now a 5 or 6 at best. At least I am now interested and can obtain an erection, even if it isn't lasting or fully hard. So I'm getting there. Once I get my blood work done, we'll have a much clearer picture what is going on.
01-26-2007, 12:41 AM
It is already hard work to keep things straight when you have all the tests.Originally Posted by SoMdHunter
Make the effort, get blood tests. Clean diet, low body fat, will give you head start.
Hmm.., I am using Androgel,
transdermals are most likely producing minimum of E2,
when you buy into the theory that abrupt T fluctuations cause increase of E2.
Androgel is expensive.
When cost is a factor, there are T creams at compounding pharmacies.
Many people are using too much T, then have E2 problems.
Have to look at FreeT, keep it just above 160 at first.
Have to get the right test for FreeT, there are many labs that do it wrong way.
Also, unsolved thyroid should be addressed first.
If you can get a doctor to write you scripts for blood tests and T, you are half way there.
DIM, Armour Thyroid and Cialis you can buy over internet, if you have to.
You can buy scripts for blood tests from LEF, they are to be done at the LabCorp,
their FreeT stinks, so you will have to calculate it youself from TT,
SHBG and Albumin done from same blood draw.
When SHBG is high, use
Avena Sativa Extract/Green oat, Urtica dioica aka Stinging nettle.
I am not a doctor.
01-26-2007, 11:55 AM
Your getting there still if you find your having a hard time keeping it up do get a script for 20 mgs of Cialis and take it every 72 hrs you will see a big difference no waiting for a pill to have sex and it will keep your BP down.Originally Posted by SoMdHunter
JanSz I don't agree with you on doing less T to keep E2 down some men just make a lot of E2 even if there not on TRT. This crap about levels from labs don't cut it one needs to dose by how they feel. Many times I talk to men with there T levels at 400 to 600 that don't feel well they have bad joint pain, Fatigue, no libido, ED, brain fog, feelings of Depression and some can't work. is better having a higher E2 and needing to take Arimidex or DIM to keep it down or being house bound and sick as a dog. E2 is a dam small price to pay to feel better. Hell I need to take 1mg. of Arimidex a day to keep my E2 in check there is no dam way in hell I am lowing my levels of T or HCG to stop E2. There is no way for a lot of men to do TRT and not have a problem with E2.
01-26-2007, 02:00 PM
I think the trick is to not look at T levels but to get decent FreeT level (160-250) and BAT.Originally Posted by pmgamer18
With FreeT, even laboratories are screwing us up.
Many people have SHBG problem and should address that first, if succesful, it will result in higher FreeT.
The other, many people make frequent changes and the system goes hay wire, more E2.
My guess is that when you get your Adrenals and Thyroid under control,
you are going to be cruising just on HCG and half a pill of Indolplex.
It would help if you could get your body fat down,
fat is E2, (not really but close).
If one cannot exercise, fasting one or two days per week would be my second choice in controling fat.
And I am not advocating less T for the sake of E2,
I am saing that just right FreeT and BAT level will minimize E2 problems.
Start at FreeT=160 and think twice before you get it higher, but not over 250.
All of the above is my opinion as of this afternoon,
it probably will change as the day passes by.
Thank you for patronizing this board, I have learned a lot from your posts.
01-26-2007, 07:55 PM
I'd like to thank both of you for your contribution to my log.
Body fat isn't an issue. I'm 6'2" at 210 lbs. BP has always been low-mid range. The highest I have ever had it was exactly 120/80.
I workout in the gym 4-5 times a week weight training. Matter of fact, I started working out in an effort to produce more test naturally, but it didn't help.
The cost of Cialis or even Androgel isn't a factor. My insurance covers it totally.
And finally, I've heard that extremely low estrogen levels causes joint pain. I've also heard high estrogen levels causes joint pain, so I have no idea which is true. But in either event, I have a lot of joint pain, especially in my wrists, elbows and knees. My nipples were so erect they hurt, although the DIM has noticeably calmed that down. A lack of sensation still persists, creating frustrating sessions with the wife. My testicles have shrunk some within the last 2 months, indicating I'm pretty much shut down. On the other hand, that was the first thing the Dr noticed during my initial exam, so I wasn't producing much as it was anyway.
So when I see my Urologist next month, I'm going to hand him Dr. John list of blood tests to run after being on TRT for 5 weeks, even though I have been on it longer. I expect to see low LH and TSH, high E2 and maybe SHBG. I'm hoping my T levels are adequate, or at least correctable via estrogen control, as I really don't want to go any higher on the T injections unless I have to.
I'm determined in my quest to get everything corrected. The one thing I fear the most is that my levels come back "optimal" and that my problems are now all in my head. I need to be successful with the wife at least once to make sure it isn't psycological.
Thanks again for your contribution to my log.
01-26-2007, 09:14 PM
Set youself high goals, but not too high.Originally Posted by SoMdHunter
You will not correct everything, but you will get 95%.
Learn to be happy about it.
Example, when my pines is ready now, I have to do it now,
3 hours latter will not cut it.
If you are like that, tell your wife about it.
It is not your fault, do not accept any guilt about it.
01-27-2007, 11:05 PM
No offfense JanSz, but I don't think wanting to have a normal sexs life again is asking too much. At this point, I refuse to settle for anything less than that. To do so accepts failure.Originally Posted by JanSz
01-28-2007, 12:09 AM
No ofence taken. I wish you the best.Originally Posted by SoMdHunter
Please keep us posted of your progress.
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