Androgel 1.62% Review/Feedback
- 05-26-2013, 01:09 AM
Androgel 1.62% Review/Feedback
A few months ago, I took my first total testosterone test and my results were 410ng/dl which I believe is quite low considering I'm 43yrs old. In the past I've taken PHs but haven't cycled in about a year. My doctor gave me a prescription for Androgel 1.62% @ 2 pumps/day, and my test results after 30 days dropped to 240ng/dl. He increased my dosage to 4 pumps/day and after another 30 days, my total testosterone is now up to 591ng/dl which is where we predicted I would be at that dosage. Ideally I'd like to bump up to the 800-1000 range if possible long term. Does anyone have any advice on how to further increase the absorption rate? I apply the gel after a hot shower in the morning which I've heard does help a bit. I've seen some folks try to apply Androgel with DMSO, or apply body lotion afterwards to help in absorption. Would I apply the DMSO prior to Androgel, afterwards, or both? I also apply the gel to fresh shaven or thin areas of the skin such as under the arms, or around the inner thighs. Another option would be to increase the dosage to 6 or 8 pumps/day, and perhaps spread out the dosage for a morning and afternoon dosage. In order to do this, I'd have to order some supplemental generic gel from Androrxshop which does use 10% DMSO in their solution, since my insurance only covers the maximum of 4 pumps/day. So far I really like the product and I've seen quite noticeable improvements in libido, fat loss, and minor muscle gains. The only side effects I've noticed was after the first week or two, I had minor sensitivity in the nipples which was only temporary. Right now there is an Androgel "Restoration Program" which fully pays for the prescription for the 1st year, so I haven't paid anything whatsoever for this gel. Any tips or feedback would be appreciated Thanks!
- 05-26-2013, 03:20 AM
I use dmso with my androgel....just get the spray version on eBay. Spray it on the areas then rub in the androgel. I am trying to switch from 8 pumps 1% to 8 pumps 1.62% first I need to ask the pharmacy if my insurance does 1.62% or not (they do)...then I just need to pull off the 8 pumps since 5 pumps is the actual equivalent in 1.62. I will be easy in the 1000's on 8 pumps 1.62. Esp if I do 10 pumps like I've been doing on the 1%...they fill it early and the pumps got LOTS of extra in there. We're talking 1200+ on gel
- 05-26-2013, 09:56 AM
OP, is your doc keeping tabs or checking your e levels?
As far as I know, low maintenance dosages do not always seem to need an AI, but not sure when/if the dosages are bumped up any?
Also, I do not know what the differences in DHT conversion is when using gels, has he checked those levels also?
05-26-2013, 01:34 PM
DHT should def be higher on a gel vs. an injection, esp if you apply any of the pumps in the groin area. down there its probably near 100% conversion to DHT. But thats a good thing I wish I could have my e2 monitored though....my doc says that estrogen testing is not covered, its "for women". Hell, I'll pay that portion if need be next time I go in. The people in here who have docs who check e2 and (GOD FORBID) prescribe an AI? God bless them, and they should pray that their doc does not keel over and die and they get a numbskull replacement.
05-26-2013, 05:49 PM
Have you definitely found that DMSO increases the amount of test that is delivered transdermal? What areas do you find work best for applying the gel? Do you think a hot shower or steam assist with delivery? When you apply DMSO, do you wait for it to dry first before applying Androgel? Do you ever apply DMSO afterwards as well? Do you think the DMSO spray is more effective than the gel/cream? Thanks!
05-26-2013, 05:50 PM
My doc didn't order an estrogen test, only a full testosterone and lipid profile test. He is going to have me retest now every 6 months to monitor the PSA count. I'm going to request an e test next time.
05-26-2013, 05:51 PM
05-26-2013, 06:27 PM
05-27-2013, 01:15 PM
05-29-2013, 06:51 PM
Yes, my thyroid was checked earlier this year and I believe everything is fine. I'll verify those results again. I've been applying DMSO for about 4 days now immediately after applying the Androgel, and I believe it's starting to make a difference. I'm going to get another blood test and find out if my test levels are increasing after a few weeks.
06-02-2013, 01:55 AM
I've been using DMSO now for a week with 4 pumps of Androgel in the morning, and then another 2 pumps on the afternoon. I *definitely* notice a huge change now and I'm feeling pretty damn good in the gym. I've noticed a few pounds in extra water retention in the muscles, major increase in libido, stamina, etc. It reminds me of the onset of AndroMass and AndroBulk around the 3 week. I can't wait to get my bloodwork done again here in a few weeks to see where my test/e levels are measured. I also just ordered a bottle of that Phlogel Ultra that can potentially increase absorption of Androgel up to 40-50%, and I've also stocked up on a few more bottles of generic Androgel from AndroRXShop. The only downside so far in the last week is the DMSO has a bitter smell, like garlic and black pepper, though it isn't too overwhelming. I also taste garlic in my mouth a few minutes after applying the DMSO topically.
06-02-2013, 10:14 PM
06-03-2013, 06:55 PM
You can learn about Phlogel Ultra from jarpharmaceutical dot com I have an inquiry with the company on how much Phlogel to mix with Androgel. They told me that we'll have to mix both first in a bowl before application.
You can order iPhlogel Ultra in the U.S. from this distributor: phlojelultra dot us
It's 100g for $33 incl S&H.
06-03-2013, 08:55 PM
06-27-2013, 10:18 AM
So I have some interesting news! I only used DMSO for a couple of weeks with 4 pumps of Androgel 1.62%, and then I switched to applying a thin layer of Phlogel Ultra after applying Androgel. I just had my lab work done and the Phlogel Ultra did in fact increase my total testosterone to 1205! This is more than double the testosterone level I had with just applying 4 pumps of Androgel 1.62% independently! It's been a pretty good month in the gym as well where I hit a few new PR's and I've been shedding a bit of excess body fat, which is the only side effect so far I've had no skin rashes, bloating, sore nips, etc.
06-27-2013, 01:29 PM
06-28-2013, 04:29 PM
06-28-2013, 09:21 PM
06-28-2013, 10:16 PM
06-28-2013, 10:56 PM
06-28-2013, 11:50 PM
Good stuff! You actually have to mix it not like DMSO right? Is mixing the Phlogel ultra and your t-gel a pain?
06-29-2013, 01:01 AM
06-29-2013, 03:32 AM
With my usage of applying a thin layer of Phlojel across my upper chest and shoulders/back once per day after 4 pumps of Androgel 1.62%, I'm expecting my initial 100g bottle of Phlojel lasting between 1-2 months. I'm getting ready to stock up on the 500g container of Phlojel for $100 including S/H, and that should easily last 6 months. My advice is I would try it for a few weeks and get tested immediately, because it has the potential of seriously increasing the absorption rate of Androgel. I can't really comment on the 1% Androgel or Axiron gel, though just from my basic 4 pumps/day of 1.62% Androgel applied in the morning I'm having phenomenal results. I usually apply the Androgel around 7am and let it dry for a few minutes, and then follow by Phlojel in the exact same areas on my upper chest and shoulders/back. I never rotate the application sites and stick to the exact same protocol daily. I'm finding that within about 2 hours I feel that extra fullness in my muscles and I'm pretty positive I'm at my peak between 2-4 hours when I hit the gym before noon. On the day that I take my blood sample, I follow the same protocol and have the sample taken around 3-4 hours after application. I've heard that you can further increase absorption with taking a warm shower or steam room before application, or exfoliating some of the skin as well. JAR Pharmaceuticals is the Canadian company that produces Phlojel and they claim that you may be able to mix in a small portion of DMSO to further increase absorption, though I've personally ditched DMSO because of the rotten smell and garlic after taste in my mouth.
06-29-2013, 01:11 PM
06-30-2013, 01:44 AM
When I originally contacted JAR Pharmaceuticals, they had never heard of anyone attempting to mix Androgel with their Phlojel Ultra, and they informed me that mixing the alcohol in the Androgel may weaken the properties of Phlojel and lower the absorption rate. They said instead of mixing them together, it would be best to first apply Androgel and let it penetrate the skin for a few minutes, and then apply the Phlojel Ultra. I've had such stellar results with that technique that I'm not going to risk throwing on another agent on the skin besides maybe some skin moisturizer later in the day.
06-30-2013, 01:45 AM
BTW, I'd like to hear what your updated test results are after applying the Phlojel Ultra and see if it's as effective.
06-30-2013, 02:04 AM
But yeah, you have inspired me to get myself a full complement of tests ....Testosterone, E2, Prolactin, whatever might be influenced by the androgel (or other AAS I might have messed with recently). I am curious to see what is killing my libido lately....I just came off of a run of deca, so maybe prolactin is elevated? But I am taking caber and l-dopa so maybe not. Or elevated estrogen? again, I'm taking arimidex AND erase so not sure. I just need to see WTF is going on with all those numbers and figure it out. I have a feeling I might be >1,5000 or something with all the gel I apply plus the phlogel lol. I am planning on hitting up the anylabtestnow clinic this coming week some time, or maybe early the next week. Gotta call them and ask how much it is for all that I want done, so for estrogen.....I wonder if they know what "E2" is I hope they test for the correct estrogen number.....
06-30-2013, 07:52 AM
06-30-2013, 08:56 AM
06-30-2013, 01:14 PM
06-30-2013, 02:33 PM
Hey thanks for that response. Yes, that seems to echoing what I have heard actually. I have also heard conflicting reports about the DHT, however and is it true that in some places in Europe, they prescribe DHT to actually aid prostate hyperplasia?
Maybe I read it wrong but I cannot find that now.
I also seemed to read somewhere that some guys put the gel on areas with little to no actual hair follicles ie: their sides of ribs say, since there are less sites there!?
Do you know if there are any men reporting "more hair loss" after being on the gel for say 6-12 months?
06-30-2013, 02:51 PM
But as for hair loss, I suppose I am one of the lucky ones who gets really no additional fallout despite using androgel AND DHT gel. I do go out of my way to use azelaic acid, topical spiro, nizoral on my head daily, and I found that nettle extract works well as a nutritional supplement for hair fallout. But I know many guys who report increased hair loss after extended periods of time on the androgel. many of whom post on this board (they may comment if they see this thread). Funny enough my balls did not shrink either despite being on a pretty hefty dose of androgel. Like I said, I must be lucky.....or I'm supplementing appropriately to combat these issues....or both.
06-30-2013, 02:58 PM
About the phlogel and getting test this coming week.....the distributor just emailed me that he got slammed on orders since he gave a heads up on an upcoming price increase, so he is sold out and won't be able to ship my order until sometime next week (maybe). I only have a few days worth left and was counting on this 500g jar getting here by wednesday....so there will be a break in phlogel application and I won't be able to get tested for a few more weeks. oh well. Guess I'll use the DMSO in the interim.
06-30-2013, 10:25 PM
First time "poster" here. Please excuse my ignorance when it comes to abbreviation's and some of the lingo.
I'm a 44 year old man with a strong athletic background in weight training and wrestling. About three months ago I spoke to my family doctor about feelings of fatigue and low energy levels. She did a blood panel on me and found I had mild "hypothyroidism". She also told me my "test" levels were 366. She gave me a scrip of levothyroxin for the thyroid issue and asked if I would like a scrip of "androgel". I agreed and began taking both medications. I was taking a 25mg tablet for thyroid and 2 pumps of 1.62 androgel a day. Immediately I felt a "stirring" inside myself that I have not felt in years. Every aspect of my "masculinity" was affected. Made excellent gains at the gym, My libido could ***** John Holmes, and I felt like the God of Thunder in the flesh. This went on for one month and I Went to my next doctors visit. After another full panel of blood work my thyroid levels came back normal and my "test levels" were 1007. I was ecstatic at this point and was making great strides at the gym. This went on for another month. Then I started to feel a "change". My energy levels seemed to had dropped slightly and I didn't have that same sense of well being I had before. After a few more weeks I was physically exhausted and psychologically drained. Workouts literally became "painful". My libido was "dead".It was at this point I began researching my symptoms "online" and found this site. I immediately stopped taking the androgel until I could find out more about what it was that caused my symptoms. The first few days without the androgel were rough but after 3 or 4 days I started to feel a little better. After a couple weeks I felt normal again. From the research I've done on this site and a few others I believe my estrogen levels may have spiked in response to the introduction of so much testosterone and caused my symptoms. I know I should have gotten blood work done but like I said I'm new to this site and still learning. I have another doctors appointment in 4 weeks and plan on telling my doctor about my experience,s. I would really like to possibly cycle with the gel from time to time but don't want to screw my system up again. If anyone could give advice or offer suggestions they would be greatly appreciated. Thought about discussing some type of estrogen blocker if my levels come back high. Any thoughts would be "helpful".
06-30-2013, 10:34 PM
Alright I just placed my order for the Phlojel Ultra. I will keep you guys posted on my results with the Axiron gel and Phlojel Ultra combination.
07-01-2013, 12:29 PM
07-01-2013, 01:41 PM
Regarding Androgel 1% vs 1.62%. I know that 1.62% has a higher concentration. However, does anyone know if it also has a higher absorption rate versus the 1%?
07-01-2013, 04:47 PM
07-01-2013, 08:29 PM
07-01-2013, 08:55 PM
As for the Phlojel, I don't believe he is a representative for this product.....but he may be, I do not know for sure of course. Either way though, if we are in an anti-aging forum where androgel/axiron etc are known treatments used to raise test in 35+ men,, its totally fair game to talk about DMSO or phlojel or whatever dermal carrier that has proven effective. This is simply a way to improve the absorption of an anti-aging medicine. So the discussion of transdermal carriers that increase absorption of test gels is about as far from trolling as humanly possible. The guy never even posted a site, or suggested we google domestic phlojel, or anything of the sort. BTW, if you don't want to order phlojel the name brand product....you can get PLO gel kits from Malaysia that you mix up yourself and save a tremendous amount of money. It's and aqueous plus a an organic combination that you can mix up yourself and/or add in your drug straight into the mixture.
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