Androgel 1.62% Review/Feedback

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  1. Androgel 1.62% Review/Feedback


    A few months ago, I took my first total testosterone test and my results were 410ng/dl which I believe is quite low considering I'm 43yrs old. In the past I've taken PHs but haven't cycled in about a year. My doctor gave me a prescription for Androgel 1.62% @ 2 pumps/day, and my test results after 30 days dropped to 240ng/dl. He increased my dosage to 4 pumps/day and after another 30 days, my total testosterone is now up to 591ng/dl which is where we predicted I would be at that dosage. Ideally I'd like to bump up to the 800-1000 range if possible long term. Does anyone have any advice on how to further increase the absorption rate? I apply the gel after a hot shower in the morning which I've heard does help a bit. I've seen some folks try to apply Androgel with DMSO, or apply body lotion afterwards to help in absorption. Would I apply the DMSO prior to Androgel, afterwards, or both? I also apply the gel to fresh shaven or thin areas of the skin such as under the arms, or around the inner thighs. Another option would be to increase the dosage to 6 or 8 pumps/day, and perhaps spread out the dosage for a morning and afternoon dosage. In order to do this, I'd have to order some supplemental generic gel from Androrxshop which does use 10% DMSO in their solution, since my insurance only covers the maximum of 4 pumps/day. So far I really like the product and I've seen quite noticeable improvements in libido, fat loss, and minor muscle gains. The only side effects I've noticed was after the first week or two, I had minor sensitivity in the nipples which was only temporary. Right now there is an Androgel "Restoration Program" which fully pays for the prescription for the 1st year, so I haven't paid anything whatsoever for this gel. Any tips or feedback would be appreciated Thanks!


  2. I use dmso with my androgel....just get the spray version on eBay. Spray it on the areas then rub in the androgel. I am trying to switch from 8 pumps 1% to 8 pumps 1.62% first I need to ask the pharmacy if my insurance does 1.62% or not (they do)...then I just need to pull off the 8 pumps since 5 pumps is the actual equivalent in 1.62. I will be easy in the 1000's on 8 pumps 1.62. Esp if I do 10 pumps like I've been doing on the 1%...they fill it early and the pumps got LOTS of extra in there. We're talking 1200+ on gel
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  3. OP, is your doc keeping tabs or checking your e levels?
    As far as I know, low maintenance dosages do not always seem to need an AI, but not sure when/if the dosages are bumped up any?
    Also, I do not know what the differences in DHT conversion is when using gels, has he checked those levels also?

  4. DHT should def be higher on a gel vs. an injection, esp if you apply any of the pumps in the groin area. down there its probably near 100% conversion to DHT. But thats a good thing I wish I could have my e2 monitored though....my doc says that estrogen testing is not covered, its "for women". Hell, I'll pay that portion if need be next time I go in. The people in here who have docs who check e2 and (GOD FORBID) prescribe an AI? God bless them, and they should pray that their doc does not keel over and die and they get a numbskull replacement.

  5. Have you definitely found that DMSO increases the amount of test that is delivered transdermal? What areas do you find work best for applying the gel? Do you think a hot shower or steam assist with delivery? When you apply DMSO, do you wait for it to dry first before applying Androgel? Do you ever apply DMSO afterwards as well? Do you think the DMSO spray is more effective than the gel/cream? Thanks!
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  6. My doc didn't order an estrogen test, only a full testosterone and lipid profile test. He is going to have me retest now every 6 months to monitor the PSA count. I'm going to request an e test next time.

  7. Also, are you using the 8 pumps once per day or do you divide it up?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by svida View Post
    Have you definitely found that DMSO increases the amount of test that is delivered transdermal? What areas do you find work best for applying the gel? Do you think a hot shower or steam assist with delivery? When you apply DMSO, do you wait for it to dry first before applying Androgel? Do you ever apply DMSO afterwards as well? Do you think the DMSO spray is more effective than the gel/cream? Thanks!
    I do 4/4, morn/night...or 5/5 or 6/6 depending on how many extra pumps I have acquired over the months. I don't "know" if the DMSO increases the absorption....just trying to maximize the absorption, and DMSO is CHEAP. Supposedly you are supposed to apply the gel first, then apply the DMSO...but I put DMSO first, then gel, and I rub it all in. DMSO dries pretty fast, but its still wet when I put the androgel on....like I said I just mix them together and rub it in with my wrists. I like the spray since it can be dispersed over a large area quickly, and the androgel is a gel so I figured to use the spray instead of the cream or gel DMSO. I have heard people say they tested after "not sweating" and sweating....and the post-sweating (like working out for instance) numbers were much higher. So I think if you apply then do something where you sort of activate it again by way of perspiring? It also helps with absorption. Makes sense, provided you aren't rubbing it all off on clothes or equipment. workout w/o a shirt on at home I guess or a tank top. otherwise it just "sits there" if you think about it. I live in Florida, I sweat 24/7 so I def take advantage of this protocol.

  9. Also to OP, has your doc checked your thyroid?

  10. Yes, my thyroid was checked earlier this year and I believe everything is fine. I'll verify those results again. I've been applying DMSO for about 4 days now immediately after applying the Androgel, and I believe it's starting to make a difference. I'm going to get another blood test and find out if my test levels are increasing after a few weeks.

  11. I've been using DMSO now for a week with 4 pumps of Androgel in the morning, and then another 2 pumps on the afternoon. I *definitely* notice a huge change now and I'm feeling pretty damn good in the gym. I've noticed a few pounds in extra water retention in the muscles, major increase in libido, stamina, etc. It reminds me of the onset of AndroMass and AndroBulk around the 3 week. I can't wait to get my bloodwork done again here in a few weeks to see where my test/e levels are measured. I also just ordered a bottle of that Phlogel Ultra that can potentially increase absorption of Androgel up to 40-50%, and I've also stocked up on a few more bottles of generic Androgel from AndroRXShop. The only downside so far in the last week is the DMSO has a bitter smell, like garlic and black pepper, though it isn't too overwhelming. I also taste garlic in my mouth a few minutes after applying the DMSO topically.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by svida View Post
    I've been using DMSO now for a week with 4 pumps of Androgel in the morning, and then another 2 pumps on the afternoon. I *definitely* notice a huge change now and I'm feeling pretty damn good in the gym. I've noticed a few pounds in extra water retention in the muscles, major increase in libido, stamina, etc. It reminds me of the onset of AndroMass and AndroBulk around the 3 week. I can't wait to get my bloodwork done again here in a few weeks to see where my test/e levels are measured. I also just ordered a bottle of that Phlogel Ultra that can potentially increase absorption of Androgel up to 40-50%, and I've also stocked up on a few more bottles of generic Androgel from AndroRXShop. The only downside so far in the last week is the DMSO has a bitter smell, like garlic and black pepper, though it isn't too overwhelming. I also taste garlic in my mouth a few minutes after applying the DMSO topically.
    Yeah I think the DMSO will make a difference......but it tastes like absolute shyt Its one of the only things that upon injection or topical application you can taste immediately. The other is tren. I'll never use that again after a bad experience when I was younger but....yeah this stuff smells and tastes even worse. what this Phlogel? I'm willing to try it, anything to enhance absorption of that precious testosterone

  13. You can learn about Phlogel Ultra from jarpharmaceutical dot com I have an inquiry with the company on how much Phlogel to mix with Androgel. They told me that we'll have to mix both first in a bowl before application.

    You can order iPhlogel Ultra in the U.S. from this distributor: phlojelultra dot us
    It's 100g for $33 incl S&H.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by svida View Post
    You can learn about Phlogel Ultra from jarpharmaceutical dot com I have an inquiry with the company on how much Phlogel to mix with Androgel. They told me that we'll have to mix both first in a bowl before application.

    You can order iPhlogel Ultra in the U.S. from this distributor: phlojelultra dot us
    It's 100g for $33 incl S&H.
    I'll check it out, and probably wait for your "review" of the stuff

  15. So I have some interesting news! I only used DMSO for a couple of weeks with 4 pumps of Androgel 1.62%, and then I switched to applying a thin layer of Phlogel Ultra after applying Androgel. I just had my lab work done and the Phlogel Ultra did in fact increase my total testosterone to 1205! This is more than double the testosterone level I had with just applying 4 pumps of Androgel 1.62% independently! It's been a pretty good month in the gym as well where I hit a few new PR's and I've been shedding a bit of excess body fat, which is the only side effect so far I've had no skin rashes, bloating, sore nips, etc.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by svida View Post
    So I have some interesting news! I only used DMSO for a couple of weeks with 4 pumps of Androgel 1.62%, and then I switched to applying a thin layer of Phlogel Ultra after applying Androgel. I just had my lab work done and the Phlogel Ultra did in fact increase my total testosterone to 1205! This is more than double the testosterone level I had with just applying 4 pumps of Androgel 1.62% independently! It's been a pretty good month in the gym as well where I hit a few new PR's and I've been shedding a bit of excess body fat, which is the only side effect so far I've had no skin rashes, bloating, sore nips, etc.
    Awesome...we'll show these naysayers what's up with the gel lol. I too have been using phlogel for almost 2 weeks. Im using way more gel than you at 12 pumps of 1%...so Im probably way up there too.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by svida View Post
    So I have some interesting news! I only used DMSO for a couple of weeks with 4 pumps of Androgel 1.62%, and then I switched to applying a thin layer of Phlogel Ultra after applying Androgel. I just had my lab work done and the Phlogel Ultra did in fact increase my total testosterone to 1205! This is more than double the testosterone level I had with just applying 4 pumps of Androgel 1.62% independently! It's been a pretty good month in the gym as well where I hit a few new PR's and I've been shedding a bit of excess body fat, which is the only side effect so far I've had no skin rashes, bloating, sore nips, etc.
    I'm also currently on a TRT gel. I use 3 pumps a day of Axiron gel applied to the armpits. It's not so much of a gel more like a liquid. Do you think this phlogel could still work with this? Thanks man!

  18. Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post
    I'm also currently on a TRT gel. I use 3 pumps a day of Axiron gel applied to the armpits. It's not so much of a gel more like a liquid. Do you think this phlogel could still work with this? Thanks man!
    Most definitely....phlogel and DMSO will work on any skin on the body, and act as a transporter of "whatever" through the skin. And axiron is the same thing as androgel, just a different pharm company and a different application zone to make it their own. I personally would want to incorporate at least half my pumps onto the traps and delts....but I can't say for certain this makes a huge difference in how much is converted to things other than test. Phlogel is expensive as fck though, be warned, its like 100 bucks shipped for 500 grams. the little 100 gram 30 dollar container doesn't last too long.....

  19. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post

    Most definitely....phlogel and DMSO will work on any skin on the body, and act as a transporter of "whatever" through the skin. And axiron is the same thing as androgel, just a different pharm company and a different application zone to make it their own. I personally would want to incorporate at least half my pumps onto the traps and delts....but I can't say for certain this makes a huge difference in how much is converted to things other than test. Phlogel is expensive as fck though, be warned, its like 100 bucks shipped for 500 grams. the little 100 gram 30 dollar container doesn't last too long.....
    Ok thanks for the info. About how long does the 100gram $30 container of Phlogel last? Is there any sides from the Phlogel that you notice or just the increased absorption? Thanks bro!

  20. Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post
    Ok thanks for the info. About how long does the 100gram $30 container of Phlogel last? Is there any sides from the Phlogel that you notice or just the increased absorption? Thanks bro!
    I'm guessing it would last a "normal person" (as in a 4 or so pump 1.62% androgel or a 2-4 pump axiron user) about a month. I've had it for a few weeks or so, and its got abou 1/4 left in there....but I'm applying twice a day at 5-6 pumps, so I have pretty large areas to cover (and twice a day of course). But you know how much of a PITA it is to order something every month or so, its much better to get a 5-6 month supply of the stuff and just spend the $100 bucks. Hey if it doubles your absorption? It's 110% worth a few hundred bucks a year! But I do go tanning twice a week, and it said it might irritate your skin (in general or if you go into the sunlight for an extended period of time)....and I have no issues thus far. But I have yet to get my test level tested, its only been 2 weeks or so....but I'll definitely have to get down to the quickie lab down the street and get some #'s on the test. But Vida said he doubled his levels, so that is good enough for me to continue using the stuff.

  21. Good stuff! You actually have to mix it not like DMSO right? Is mixing the Phlogel ultra and your t-gel a pain?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post
    Good stuff! You actually have to mix it not like DMSO right? Is mixing the Phlogel ultra and your t-gel a pain?
    No, you can apply the test gel first....wait a minute....then apply the phlogel in a thin layer on top. I'd suggest doing it in the morning if you apply only once per day, since you will sweat throughout the day and sort of reactivate the whole process. I really believe in sweat and that moisture helping with absorption. But yeah, if you want to??? you could mix them together on your arm or shoulder or wherever you are applying and then rub them in together. Its easier the way I explained first though.

  23. With my usage of applying a thin layer of Phlojel across my upper chest and shoulders/back once per day after 4 pumps of Androgel 1.62%, I'm expecting my initial 100g bottle of Phlojel lasting between 1-2 months. I'm getting ready to stock up on the 500g container of Phlojel for $100 including S/H, and that should easily last 6 months. My advice is I would try it for a few weeks and get tested immediately, because it has the potential of seriously increasing the absorption rate of Androgel. I can't really comment on the 1% Androgel or Axiron gel, though just from my basic 4 pumps/day of 1.62% Androgel applied in the morning I'm having phenomenal results. I usually apply the Androgel around 7am and let it dry for a few minutes, and then follow by Phlojel in the exact same areas on my upper chest and shoulders/back. I never rotate the application sites and stick to the exact same protocol daily. I'm finding that within about 2 hours I feel that extra fullness in my muscles and I'm pretty positive I'm at my peak between 2-4 hours when I hit the gym before noon. On the day that I take my blood sample, I follow the same protocol and have the sample taken around 3-4 hours after application. I've heard that you can further increase absorption with taking a warm shower or steam room before application, or exfoliating some of the skin as well. JAR Pharmaceuticals is the Canadian company that produces Phlojel and they claim that you may be able to mix in a small portion of DMSO to further increase absorption, though I've personally ditched DMSO because of the rotten smell and garlic after taste in my mouth.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by svida View Post
    With my usage of applying a thin layer of Phlojel across my upper chest and shoulders/back once per day after 4 pumps of Androgel 1.62%, I'm expecting my initial 100g bottle of Phlojel lasting between 1-2 months. I'm getting ready to stock up on the 500g container of Phlojel for $100 including S/H, and that should easily last 6 months. My advice is I would try it for a few weeks and get tested immediately, because it has the potential of seriously increasing the absorption rate of Androgel. I can't really comment on the 1% Androgel or Axiron gel, though just from my basic 4 pumps/day of 1.62% Androgel applied in the morning I'm having phenomenal results. I usually apply the Androgel around 7am and let it dry for a few minutes, and then follow by Phlojel in the exact same areas on my upper chest and shoulders/back. I never rotate the application sites and stick to the exact same protocol daily. I'm finding that within about 2 hours I feel that extra fullness in my muscles and I'm pretty positive I'm at my peak between 2-4 hours when I hit the gym before noon. On the day that I take my blood sample, I follow the same protocol and have the sample taken around 3-4 hours after application. I've heard that you can further increase absorption with taking a warm shower or steam room before application, or exfoliating some of the skin as well. JAR Pharmaceuticals is the Canadian company that produces Phlojel and they claim that you may be able to mix in a small portion of DMSO to further increase absorption, though I've personally ditched DMSO because of the rotten smell and garlic after taste in my mouth.
    yeah they recommend using DMSO as an adjunct to their phlogel.....then they say its not necessary to use it a few sentences later lol. Also they trash DMSO in other parts of their literature. Weird. But I was initially spraying some DMSO on the areas say mid-day, to wet the area and hopefully increase absorption. As you stated, the smell and taste make me not want to incorporate it. but its dirt cheap, so maybe its worth it to just suffer with it.

  25. When I originally contacted JAR Pharmaceuticals, they had never heard of anyone attempting to mix Androgel with their Phlojel Ultra, and they informed me that mixing the alcohol in the Androgel may weaken the properties of Phlojel and lower the absorption rate. They said instead of mixing them together, it would be best to first apply Androgel and let it penetrate the skin for a few minutes, and then apply the Phlojel Ultra. I've had such stellar results with that technique that I'm not going to risk throwing on another agent on the skin besides maybe some skin moisturizer later in the day.

  26. BTW, I'd like to hear what your updated test results are after applying the Phlojel Ultra and see if it's as effective.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by svida View Post
    When I originally contacted JAR Pharmaceuticals, they had never heard of anyone attempting to mix Androgel with their Phlojel Ultra, and they informed me that mixing the alcohol in the Androgel may weaken the properties of Phlojel and lower the absorption rate. They said instead of mixing them together, it would be best to first apply Androgel and let it penetrate the skin for a few minutes, and then apply the Phlojel Ultra. I've had such stellar results with that technique that I'm not going to risk throwing on another agent on the skin besides maybe some skin moisturizer later in the day.
    Quote Originally Posted by svida View Post
    BTW, I'd like to hear what your updated test results are after applying the Phlojel Ultra and see if it's as effective.
    In the literature I read up on on the internet (there is an EXTENSIVE FAQ section on their site)....one of the FAQ's was "can I use phlogel with androgel?"....and the answer said that the author (of the FAQ I assume) doubled his test score with the addition of phlogel. I was skeptical at first at that claim, but essentially you did the same exact thing! He said he was 600's I think? and ended up over 1,000. So they do actually advocate using their product with androgel on the site.

    But yeah, you have inspired me to get myself a full complement of tests ....Testosterone, E2, Prolactin, whatever might be influenced by the androgel (or other AAS I might have messed with recently). I am curious to see what is killing my libido lately....I just came off of a run of deca, so maybe prolactin is elevated? But I am taking caber and l-dopa so maybe not. Or elevated estrogen? again, I'm taking arimidex AND erase so not sure. I just need to see WTF is going on with all those numbers and figure it out. I have a feeling I might be >1,5000 or something with all the gel I apply plus the phlogel lol. I am planning on hitting up the anylabtestnow clinic this coming week some time, or maybe early the next week. Gotta call them and ask how much it is for all that I want done, so for estrogen.....I wonder if they know what "E2" is I hope they test for the correct estrogen number.....

  28. Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post

    I'm also currently on a TRT gel. I use 3 pumps a day of Axiron gel applied to the armpits. It's not so much of a gel more like a liquid. Do you think this phlogel could still work with this? Thanks man!
    How many products can you put under your arm pit and feel comfortable? I couldn t even stand to use anti-perspirant when on axiron not sure you could add another product. Plus the axiron caused sweating, axiron works good when you first start but becomes unstable after about 6 months. Anyways that's my experience. Go to injections and you won't have to mess with all this dmso or phylogel crap.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    DHT should def be higher on a gel vs. an injection, esp if you apply any of the pumps in the groin area. down there its probably near 100% conversion to DHT. But thats a good thing .
    Can you elaborate a bit more on this (with say the receptor sites etc.) and point to some links I can read up on with DHT, gels/creams and absorption sites???

  30. Quote Originally Posted by PaulBlack View Post
    Can you elaborate a bit more on this (with say the receptor sites etc.) and point to some links I can read up on with DHT, gels/creams and absorption sites???
    Well with me its more of an anecdotal thing, or an assumption I suppose, since the receptors on your testicles or penis or groin are purported to convert DHEA/Test gel etc. to DHT. These areas are higher in 5-alpha-reductase which is the enzyme responsible for the conversion of test to DHT. The first clue to this is in the androgel literature, where they explicitly state that you should never apply the gel to your genital area....obviously its converting to something other than testosterone if they 'don't want you doing it', and DHT has a bad reputation with men of course (MPB, prostate etc.). I know for a fact in studies I've seen that with the gel vs. injections there is (oftentimes but not always) considerably more DHT conversion with the gels regardless of application site. This is just a fact, I can cut and paste some of the excerpts from these studies if you like. But there is not much info on application specifically to the groin area, and what amount converts to DHT, since nobody really has done a controlled study where they apply only to the genitals for instance and then test for DHT/Testosterone. At least I have not seen any such controlled study.
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