Blasting while on TRT
- 03-22-2013, 08:04 PM
- 03-22-2013, 09:33 PM
Jesus. 20lbs in 4 weeks?? I'm surprised your joints aren't hating you right now.
- 03-23-2013, 01:03 PM
03-25-2013, 07:12 PM
Staring to feel pretty good boys. Been on liquid exemestane about 5 days now and actually steering to feel what I think a cycle should feel like. I'm guessing the erase wasn't quite doing enough as an AI?
Weight is up to about 192. My cycle low at week 3 was 179, so it's an approximately 11-13 pound gain depending on time of day.
It's strange how my weight dropped at first...however, when I incorporated another small meal during the day, it began to rise.
On week 9.
03-25-2013, 08:17 PM
03-25-2013, 08:25 PM
03-25-2013, 11:09 PM
I'm getting bloods taken next week, so I'll find out if Erase is really doing anything.
03-25-2013, 11:55 PM
03-26-2013, 12:32 AM
03-26-2013, 01:02 AM
03-26-2013, 08:30 AM
Now that I'm starting to feel like I'm actually on cycle, it makes me want to take this out to 14 or 16 weeks....
03-26-2013, 08:40 AM
So you think the issue was that you simply had your e2 riding too high?
03-26-2013, 09:10 AM
Like I mentioned above, makes me want to run the cycle a bit longer to see the gains start progressing quicker.
My stomach was starting to bloat up quite a bit, and that's also getting better.
If I wasn't such a cheap @ss, I might have to spring for more bloodwork!
03-27-2013, 07:57 PM
03-28-2013, 05:21 AM
I just discovered roidcalc. It approximates the amount of juice in your body by days according to half life. Looks like it will be about 4 weeks until my T returns to normal TRT level with no injects at all. Its only been 10 days...gonna be a long lonely waiting game.
03-28-2013, 09:44 AM
03-28-2013, 11:20 AM
I wouldn't. I'd just taper down and cruise where you normally would.
03-28-2013, 11:48 AM
03-28-2013, 11:48 AM
When would it be safe to get bloods tested by endo?
03-28-2013, 12:00 PM
I couldn't say, but I sure wouldn't be ending a blast 2-3 weeks out from a lab. Personally, if I were ever to do it, I'd run an 8 week, then taper down quickly to go back to TRT levels for 3-4 weeks. I normally go in for a script refill every 3 months, but it would be no big deal to push it out to 4.
Blast- 8 weeks
Taper- 4 weeks
Cruise- 4 weeks
I don't know, man. That is just what I would plan for if I were ever to give it a go.
03-28-2013, 12:32 PM
Being on trt, shouldn't a blast be shorter than someone doing a cycle? I mean, the test is already built up in our systems to a high normal range, so reaching the top blast ng/dl number should be around week 2 instead of week 4 right?
I wonder if someone on trt would get the same results from an 8 week blast compared to a 12 week cycle of a non-trt user?
03-28-2013, 12:55 PM
03-28-2013, 01:08 PM
Good point. I know when I first started and we were playing around with dosage and intervals, we went to 200 ew for a couple months and I freaking blew up. I had already been on TRT for about 3-4 months, so my body was adjusted to being on it, and that extra just sent me over. I gained about 10-12lbs in those two months and just thickened up. I imagine it just took that little bit extra to push me over, whereas someone not on TRT has to wait those initial 5-6 weeks and take more.
I remember that I was on a bulk at the time as well and I topped around 220, which made me feel like a tank. I naturally look thicker than I weigh, but even my wife told me that was starting to look like a monster. That doesn't work for me.
03-28-2013, 01:31 PM
Great thread. Lots of good info/feedback here.
03-28-2013, 01:33 PM
Yeah, you were shut down, so your body reacted to the compound quicker. I think "normal" guys who blast, at around the time that natty test production shuts down probably start to feel it too, in an adverse sort of way. I wonder if that's where "test flu" comes from?
This leads me back to a thread that I started a while back about starting a test cycle at a low dose and tapering up to reduce sides. Hmmmm.
03-28-2013, 02:18 PM
Yeah, but if you look at roidcalc, you can compare (if you've had bloods before) where you'd be based on mg's of inject. For example, when my T was 525ng, that was 4 days after 60mg test inj (before the blast). 525ng corresponds to a number that, based on an 8 day half life of test c, would take almost 28 days to reach with no test injects at all. Resuming TRT dosages (or "taper") would just prolong the elevated total blood T levels and take longer to reach acceptable "in range" numbers.
EDIT...and btw, i'm on day 9 with no inject/TRT and I really want it bad. But according to the half-life of test C, I should be higher than normal range. I might just spend the $40 and check myself instead of hypothesizing. Perhaps tomorrow... and I will surely post the results. How long does privatemd labs take to get the results back?
03-28-2013, 02:33 PM
03-28-2013, 11:54 PM
03-29-2013, 04:28 PM
03-29-2013, 09:35 PM
03-29-2013, 09:46 PM
04-01-2013, 07:32 AM
04-01-2013, 08:39 AM
This is my first post here I hope it is ok to jump in. First off, I am 39, 5'7", 230lbs. I have been lifting for years. Never ran a cycle or a blast. I did two prohormones back in 2004 and one in 2006. I am probably around 20% bf. I always worked out for strength. Last July I had my test test and failed miserably. Numbers were 145 and 3.2. Urologist started me on test cyp 200mg eow. That brought my levels to around 550. He recently changed me to 100mg ew. Waiting for the reslults from that test.
04-01-2013, 08:58 AM
Sorry I hit the reply before I was finished. I have several friends that have cycled without trt. I know everyone is different but this is how they tested. The first guy ran 400mgs of test ew with 250mgs of deca for six weeks. He stopped cold turkey and got a blood test three weeks later. His number was 139 and 4.1. He had labs before he started and his natural number was 732 and 12.8. Second guy ran a similar protocol he tapered the test at the end and his numbers came back 243 and 8.9. That was also three weeks after taper. Last guy ran 600 test and 500 deca for eight weeks and tapered with proper pct. After five weeks from taper but still on last bit of pct his number were 430 and 11.2. Finally, I had six friends that had thier test at anylabnow and came back in middle normal range. They all waited two weeks and went back. This time they all came back low. They did a few things that we believe affected their levels. They worked out very hard everyday(overtrained); on the day of the second test they all had sex or masturbated, I didn't need to know which one, and hit the gym very hard within one hour of their test. I understand this is not scientific but it pushed everyone of them below 200. The contol was just two guys that didn't change anything but got tests on the same day. Their changes were very minimal. Not sure if this would help coming off a blast but it seems to work in every other situation. Even the guys that cycled employed this technique.
04-01-2013, 12:38 PM
04-01-2013, 02:00 PM
I'm going to my endo on Thursday to ask him if that's protocol and if that's the reasoning behind starting off so low. It makes sense to me.
04-01-2013, 02:53 PM
04-01-2013, 03:47 PM
04-01-2013, 04:30 PM
04-01-2013, 04:58 PM
Regardless of the fact that it is well within normal range, did he ask how you felt and if it was addressing your symptoms?
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