Creatine affecting TRT?

[Spaniard]

It doesn't, I was actually stronger before TRT.

Not necessarily true and that's quite the bold assertion to make.

Testosterone given to someone dialed in on everything -adequate sleep, zero changes in diet and training should elicit strength increases. At the beginning you have to remember you are still getting your levels to where you want them, so you may be going low at times during the initial phases. In addition, delivery method has a decent effect i.e. injections vs gel, I've almost always seen more bodybuilding specific benefits in injections.

- Valdez

[lexmuscle]

Not necessarily true and that's quite the bold assertion to make.

Testosterone given to someone dialed in on everything -adequate sleep, zero changes in diet and training should elicit strength increases. At the beginning you have to remember you are still getting your levels to where you want them, so you may be going low at times during the initial phases. In addition, delivery method has a decent effect i.e. injections vs gel, I've almost always seen more bodybuilding specific benefits in injections.

- Valdez

I meant that it doesn't give you a boost in strength, like you don't feel it immediately (like a preworkout stimulant). That's what I thought before I started TRT, that testosterone injections would be like an adrenalin rush or something haha I look at test being more like a protein shake, helps you rebuild, in a major way though.

[hawaiijedi]

Valdez, my levels before trt were free test of 320 and total test around 480 and now my numbers are free test 648, total test 1908 and estrogen was 12. I am going by memory on the pre test trt results I'm still trying to find the paperwork.

[Spaniard]

I meant that it doesn't give you a boost in strength, like you don't feel it immediately (like a preworkout stimulant). That's what I thought before I started TRT, that testosterone injections would be like an adrenalin rush or something haha I look at test being more like a protein shake, helps you rebuild, in a major way though.

Oh ok, my mistake. Yes it is not an immediate effect although some people do report with feeling "something" (probably placebo).

You should however over time definitely notice a difference and improvement of quality of life - mood, energy, confident etc...

- Valdez

[Spaniard]

Valdez, my levels before trt were free test of 320 and total test around 480 and now my numbers are free test 648, total test 1908 and estrogen was 12. I am going by memory on the pre test trt results I'm still trying to find the paperwork.

No ****ing way! Where are you getting that much test?! Also, total test 1908 is NOT a level you want to maintain for extended periods of time.

Your diet and training or a combination is off. With that much test you should gain strength looking at weights bud. Eat more protein.

- Valdez

[hawaiijedi]

I actually load up on protein shakes 3 times a day. I have a back ground in training and pretty much know what I'm doing in the gym. I hardly get adequate sleep every day though about 5 hours. I also am under a lot of stress right now in my life. I get 200mg of test cypionate 1cc once a week by injection.

[Spaniard]

I actually load up on protein shakes 3 times a day. I have a back ground in training and pretty much know what I'm doing in the gym. I hardly get adequate sleep every day though about 5 hours. I also am under a lot of stress right now in my life. I get 200mg of test cypionate 1cc once a week by injection.

Protein shakes really don't mean all that much. Eat more protein. Hey some good whole animal proteins in brother.

Sleep could most definitely be a factor and stress is killer as well. That's cool you have a background in training man, you're one step ahead of most.

Are you sure your results weren't 908? Usually range cut offs are 1500 ng/dl... If they're that high its usual "your results are 1500 ng/dl +"...

- Valdez

[hawaiijedi]

I am think it was ng/dl ill double check paperwork when I get home and post it but I'm pretty sure it was ng/dl

[Spaniard]

I am think it was ng/dl ill double check paperwork when I get home and post it but I'm pretty sure it was ng/dl

No no that's not where the question lies...

1908 vs 908 ng/dl is how the results are read its just the measurement.

I'm thinking you are actually 908 ng/dl not 1908 ng/dl... Let me know I'm curious now because seriously dude 1908 is crazy high

- Valdez

[tenntarheel]

Hawaii, he was meaning the "1908". Was it actually "908"? Not the measurement

[chedapalooza]

Wow to 1908... Hope that was. Typo..

My total was 288 and free 28.

I will have bw results from 2mg andro patch next week. Been bumped to 4mg. In terms of strength gains, I think ALL strength is part mental. I have been pushing myself for that extra rep or extra 5lbs per dumbbell since starting trt and expecting to make progress. I have. Whether it is placebo or actual increased performance I don't know. Well see about the bw... I feel like the increase in strength is mostly from the IDEA that I am getting extra test....

[hawaiijedi]

Ok I checked the results, free and total testosterone was 1908 ng/dl with reference range 250-1100. My free testosterone was 643.0 pg/ml reference range being 35.0-155.0 that's the numbers folks. Let me know what you think guys. I am going to do another lab in a month or two.

[chedapalooza]

Ok I checked the results, free and total testosterone was 1908 ng/dl with reference range 250-1100. My free testosterone was 643.0 pg/ml reference range being 35.0-155.0 that's the numbers folks. Let me know what you think guys. I am going to do another lab in a month or two.

I think u are the incredible hulk or u need a new lab ASAP.

[tenntarheel]

Yeah, with those numbers, if you are training hard as hell in the right way, your strength should go up noticeably almost every time you hit the gym.

[kisaj]

Not necessarily true and that's quite the bold assertion to make.

Testosterone given to someone dialed in on everything -adequate sleep, zero changes in diet and training should elicit strength increases. At the beginning you have to remember you are still getting your levels to where you want them, so you may be going low at times during the initial phases. In addition, delivery method has a decent effect i.e. injections vs gel, I've almost always seen more bodybuilding specific benefits in injections.

- Valdez

True. Strength increases will most definitely come, but I think people expect it to be a night and day difference. What it does more than make you stronger, is it changes composition, lowers BF, puts muscle weight on, and dramatically decreases recovery time. When this happens, it becomes mental and you see changes, so you are encouraged to do more.

I was doing a lot of HIIT over the summer because I was doing a lot of events and competitions that involved a high cardio level. TRT really helped my recovery after hard training and my body didn't break down like it might have. Now for the last couple of months I decided I wanted to break my old "big 3" lifts and have been concentrating on that. I smashed them after only 2 months after not lifting for 2-3 rep purposes in over two years. This is mainly because TRT allows me to train that much harder and remain strong instead of needed twice as long to recover.

[Spaniard]

Ok I checked the results, free and total testosterone was 1908 ng/dl with reference range 250-1100. My free testosterone was 643.0 pg/ml reference range being 35.0-155.0 that's the numbers folks. Let me know what you think guys. I am going to do another lab in a month or two.

I think that you really need evaluate everything at 1908 strength should be the least of your concerns. You should get a pump when you sneeze dude.

- Valdez

[Spaniard]

True. Strength increases will most definitely come, but I think people expect it to be a night and day difference. What it does more than make you stronger, is it changes composition, lowers BF, puts muscle weight on, and dramatically decreases recovery time. When this happens, it becomes mental and you see changes, so you are encouraged to do more.

I was doing a lot of HIIT over the summer because I was doing a lot of events and competitions that involved a high cardio level. TRT really helped my recovery after hard training and my body didn't break down like it might have. Now for the last couple of months I decided I wanted to break my old "big 3" lifts and have been concentrating on that. I smashed them after only 2 months after not lifting for 2-3 rep purposes in over two years. This is mainly because TRT allows me to train that much harder and remain strong instead of needed twice as long to recover.

Absolutely brother. All the dudes at my station are on TRT except myself and they recover so quickly its unreal!!!!

- Valdez

[alpinecoach]

True. Strength increases will most definitely come, but I think people expect it to be a night and day difference. What it does more than make you stronger, is it changes composition, lowers BF, puts muscle weight on, and dramatically decreases recovery time. When this happens, it becomes mental and you see changes, so you are encouraged to do more.

I was doing a lot of HIIT over the summer because I was doing a lot of events and competitions that involved a high cardio level. TRT really helped my recovery after hard training and my body didn't break down like it might have. Now for the last couple of months I decided I wanted to break my old "big 3" lifts and have been concentrating on that. I smashed them after only 2 months after not lifting for 2-3 rep purposes in over two years. This is mainly because TRT allows me to train that much harder and remain strong instead of needed twice as long to recover.

My results at 200mg/ week are almost identical, I can hit the gym like a madman and recover in 48hrs. My BW on 200 mg is total T 1100, 1900 does not sound right. This should have alarmed your doc. At 1900 your not doing TRT, you are on a cycle!

[hawaiijedi]

Well for some reason he wasn't alarmed but now I am after reading all of your helpful posts. I will be doing blood work in about a month or two. If my levels are still that high I will drop shots down to 100 mg a week instead of the 200mg a week. I just started to take. 5mg of anastrazole 2times a week instead of the 1mg 3 times a week that I have been doing which I think killed my libido.

[alpinecoach]

Your libido issue could definitely be low E2. At 200mg/ week I do not use an AI at all. What prompted you to use an AI, high E2 blood work? If so, I get it, if not, you may want to rethink using an AI. Even on cycle, I do not use an AI until I start to experience E2 sides, starts with itchy nips for me, that's when I know it's needed.

Remember, E2 helps with strength due to a little water retention, etc.