Creatine affecting TRT?

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  1. Yeah bro, research chems are legit.


  2. Well I'm seeing my endo a week early on Friday. Will have been on for 10 days by that point and will either ask for hcg + higher dose or to be pulled off and given clomid/ anything to increase natty production. What rx products can increase test naturally/ not cause shut down?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza
    Well I'm seeing my endo a week early on Friday. Will have been on for 10 days by that point and will either ask for hcg + higher dose or to be pulled off and given clomid/ anything to increase natty production. What rx products can increase test naturally/ not cause shut down?
    formestane...

    Also even a shot or 2 dosed across a week of hcg could help start to sensitize your testes for production then switch to Clomid and some formestane.

    I just read a study where they gave suppressed rats a shot of hcg then 24hr later formestane right in the testes and it shot test production way up...

    I'm thinking you could just bathe your balls in formestane transdermal, LoL. Better option then injecting your balls.

    DAA would be a good addition here too and without worry considering the inclusion of a powerful ai like formestane.

    High dosing macuna could also help increase production, namely spermatogenesis, so keep that in mind come baby making time as well.

    I'm sure there are quite a few other options... but really is just a shot in the dark coming from me... you should hit up matrix on here...I've seen tons of good stuff from him re trt.
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  4. Well I saw dr and he increased my adroderm patch to 4mg from 2. And drew blood. Wouldn't entertain anything else atthe time since it's only been 10 days... In just worried that staying on too long will shut me off.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza
    Well I saw dr and he increased my adroderm patch to 4mg from 2. And drew blood. Wouldn't entertain anything else atthe time since it's only been 10 days... In just worried that staying on too long will shut me off.
    Well lets go this route... Do you plan on staying on it forever? If not, taking it for a while and then stopping is only going to set you back.

    - Valdez
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
    Your Physique AND Credentials Should Back Up Your Position
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez

    Well lets go this route... Do you plan on staying on it forever? If not, taking it for a while and then stopping is only going to set you back.

    - Valdez
    Well I do, but I plan on stopping if I have to in order to have kids. Idk.. It's only been 10 days. Another 20 or 30 shouldn't really set me back so much? He needs to assess the effects and then figure out If we can add anything like hcg or move to clomid..

  7. Hey guys if you stop trt will sperm and fertility come back if you wanna have a baby? Or are you screwed for life? I also haven't noticed any strength gains being on trt of 200mg a week test cypionate injections. I didn't expect extreme strength difference but I honestly feel it hasn't changed either.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    Well I do, but I plan on stopping if I have to in order to have kids. Idk.. It's only been 10 days. Another 20 or 30 shouldn't really set me back so much? He needs to assess the effects and then figure out If we can add anything like hcg or move to clomid..
    My captain - On TRT for.3 years an RX of HCG and he got his wife pregnant. There is no guarantee though everyone responds differently to different things.

    Another 20-30mg? I'm not real familiar with the patch but with an exogenous source coming in no matter the amount endogenous production will decrease. How much or little? We won't know until it happens and you have bloods.

    - Valdez
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
    Your Physique AND Credentials Should Back Up Your Position

  9. Quote Originally Posted by hawaiijedi
    Hey guys if you stop trt will sperm and fertility come back if you wanna have a baby? Or are you screwed for life? I also haven't noticed any strength gains being on trt of 200mg a week test cypionate injections. I didn't expect extreme strength difference but I honestly feel it hasn't changed either.
    There are no guarantees... More than likely yes, but THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES. You will have to basically PCT off of the TRT depending on your body who knows how long that will take if ever. You more than likely will be given Clomid and will be forced to get your own natural testosterone up.

    With that being said, is TRT worth it? That's up to you to decide.

    What were your levels before? And what are they now?

    - Valdez
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
    Your Physique AND Credentials Should Back Up Your Position

  10. Quote Originally Posted by hawaiijedi
    I didn't expect extreme strength difference but I honestly feel it hasn't changed either.
    It doesn't, I was actually stronger before TRT.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle

    It doesn't, I was actually stronger before TRT.
    Not necessarily true and that's quite the bold assertion to make.

    Testosterone given to someone dialed in on everything -adequate sleep, zero changes in diet and training should elicit strength increases. At the beginning you have to remember you are still getting your levels to where you want them, so you may be going low at times during the initial phases. In addition, delivery method has a decent effect i.e. injections vs gel, I've almost always seen more bodybuilding specific benefits in injections.

    - Valdez
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
    Your Physique AND Credentials Should Back Up Your Position

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez

    Not necessarily true and that's quite the bold assertion to make.

    Testosterone given to someone dialed in on everything -adequate sleep, zero changes in diet and training should elicit strength increases. At the beginning you have to remember you are still getting your levels to where you want them, so you may be going low at times during the initial phases. In addition, delivery method has a decent effect i.e. injections vs gel, I've almost always seen more bodybuilding specific benefits in injections.

    - Valdez
    I meant that it doesn't give you a boost in strength, like you don't feel it immediately (like a preworkout stimulant). That's what I thought before I started TRT, that testosterone injections would be like an adrenalin rush or something haha I look at test being more like a protein shake, helps you rebuild, in a major way though.

  13. Valdez, my levels before trt were free test of 320 and total test around 480 and now my numbers are free test 648, total test 1908 and estrogen was 12. I am going by memory on the pre test trt results I'm still trying to find the paperwork.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle

    I meant that it doesn't give you a boost in strength, like you don't feel it immediately (like a preworkout stimulant). That's what I thought before I started TRT, that testosterone injections would be like an adrenalin rush or something haha I look at test being more like a protein shake, helps you rebuild, in a major way though.
    Oh ok, my mistake. Yes it is not an immediate effect although some people do report with feeling "something" (probably placebo).

    You should however over time definitely notice a difference and improvement of quality of life - mood, energy, confident etc...

    - Valdez
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
    Your Physique AND Credentials Should Back Up Your Position

  15. Quote Originally Posted by hawaiijedi
    Valdez, my levels before trt were free test of 320 and total test around 480 and now my numbers are free test 648, total test 1908 and estrogen was 12. I am going by memory on the pre test trt results I'm still trying to find the paperwork.
    No ****ing way! Where are you getting that much test?! Also, total test 1908 is NOT a level you want to maintain for extended periods of time.

    Your diet and training or a combination is off. With that much test you should gain strength looking at weights bud. Eat more protein.

    - Valdez
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
    Your Physique AND Credentials Should Back Up Your Position

  16. I actually load up on protein shakes 3 times a day. I have a back ground in training and pretty much know what I'm doing in the gym. I hardly get adequate sleep every day though about 5 hours. I also am under a lot of stress right now in my life. I get 200mg of test cypionate 1cc once a week by injection.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by hawaiijedi
    I actually load up on protein shakes 3 times a day. I have a back ground in training and pretty much know what I'm doing in the gym. I hardly get adequate sleep every day though about 5 hours. I also am under a lot of stress right now in my life. I get 200mg of test cypionate 1cc once a week by injection.
    Protein shakes really don't mean all that much. Eat more protein. Hey some good whole animal proteins in brother.

    Sleep could most definitely be a factor and stress is killer as well. That's cool you have a background in training man, you're one step ahead of most.

    Are you sure your results weren't 908? Usually range cut offs are 1500 ng/dl... If they're that high its usual "your results are 1500 ng/dl +"...

    - Valdez
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
    Your Physique AND Credentials Should Back Up Your Position

  18. I am think it was ng/dl ill double check paperwork when I get home and post it but I'm pretty sure it was ng/dl

  19. Quote Originally Posted by hawaiijedi
    I am think it was ng/dl ill double check paperwork when I get home and post it but I'm pretty sure it was ng/dl
    No no that's not where the question lies...

    1908 vs 908 ng/dl is how the results are read its just the measurement.

    I'm thinking you are actually 908 ng/dl not 1908 ng/dl... Let me know I'm curious now because seriously dude 1908 is crazy high

    - Valdez
    The Physique Biochemist
    Biochemistry Major
    Your Physique AND Credentials Should Back Up Your Position

  20. Hawaii, he was meaning the "1908". Was it actually "908"? Not the measurement

  21. Wow to 1908... Hope that was. Typo..

    My total was 288 and free 28.

    I will have bw results from 2mg andro patch next week. Been bumped to 4mg. In terms of strength gains, I think ALL strength is part mental. I have been pushing myself for that extra rep or extra 5lbs per dumbbell since starting trt and expecting to make progress. I have. Whether it is placebo or actual increased performance I don't know. Well see about the bw... I feel like the increase in strength is mostly from the IDEA that I am getting extra test....

  22. Ok I checked the results, free and total testosterone was 1908 ng/dl with reference range 250-1100. My free testosterone was 643.0 pg/ml reference range being 35.0-155.0 that's the numbers folks. Let me know what you think guys. I am going to do another lab in a month or two.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by hawaiijedi
    Ok I checked the results, free and total testosterone was 1908 ng/dl with reference range 250-1100. My free testosterone was 643.0 pg/ml reference range being 35.0-155.0 that's the numbers folks. Let me know what you think guys. I am going to do another lab in a month or two.
    I think u are the incredible hulk or u need a new lab ASAP.

  24. Yeah, with those numbers, if you are training hard as hell in the right way, your strength should go up noticeably almost every time you hit the gym.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Not necessarily true and that's quite the bold assertion to make.

    Testosterone given to someone dialed in on everything -adequate sleep, zero changes in diet and training should elicit strength increases. At the beginning you have to remember you are still getting your levels to where you want them, so you may be going low at times during the initial phases. In addition, delivery method has a decent effect i.e. injections vs gel, I've almost always seen more bodybuilding specific benefits in injections.

    - Valdez
    True. Strength increases will most definitely come, but I think people expect it to be a night and day difference. What it does more than make you stronger, is it changes composition, lowers BF, puts muscle weight on, and dramatically decreases recovery time. When this happens, it becomes mental and you see changes, so you are encouraged to do more.

    I was doing a lot of HIIT over the summer because I was doing a lot of events and competitions that involved a high cardio level. TRT really helped my recovery after hard training and my body didn't break down like it might have. Now for the last couple of months I decided I wanted to break my old "big 3" lifts and have been concentrating on that. I smashed them after only 2 months after not lifting for 2-3 rep purposes in over two years. This is mainly because TRT allows me to train that much harder and remain strong instead of needed twice as long to recover.
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