Creatine affecting TRT?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough

    tell your doc that the patch sucks, you still feel like crap and let him tailor a dose to you individually....

    The next logical step is injection especially if you voice concerns regarding using androgel cause you have constant intimate contact with your lady.
    Will do
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza
    So I read this treatment would be ideal:

    - 50mg Testosterone enanthate/cypionate every third day.

    - 0.25mg Arimidex every third day.

    - 500IU HCG every third day.

    Thoughts?
    There is no standard "ideal" treatment, as the way people react to the same doses is highly individual. It would be in your best interest to stop all supplements that could affect your labs and establish where you stand from the test alone. If not, you'll never be able to dial in what would be "ideal" for you. You should have found out if your low T is primary or secondary before starting treatment as well. If its primary, HCG would be a waste of time.
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  3. HCG is a complete waste of time on TRT and if you get your test dialed in, you won't need to worry about an AI.

    I notice that you have so many questions and concerns about TRT, that it tells me you didn't really do everything you should have before starting. You need to be working closely with your doctor and/or endo to run labs and get this nailed down. To truly get to where you need to be with the least amount of test and no other additional items needed- takes work and time.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by breezy11

    There is no standard "ideal" treatment, as the way people react to the same doses is highly individual. It would be in your best interest to stop all supplements that could affect your labs and establish where you stand from the test alone. If not, you'll never be able to dial in what would be "ideal" for you. You should have found out if your low T is primary or secondary before starting treatment as well. If its primary, HCG would be a waste of time.

    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj
    HCG is a complete waste of time on TRT and if you get your test dialed in, you won't need to worry about an AI.

    I notice that you have so many questions and concerns about TRT, that it tells me you didn't really do everything you should have before starting. You need to be working closely with your doctor and/or endo to run labs and get this nailed down. To truly get to where you need to be with the least amount of test and no other additional items needed- takes work and time.

    Errr. I agree. It all kinda happened all at once honestly, inwasnt expecting him to prescribe anything. I met with him at 4 o'clock and by 9pm I had my patch. I tried to research and ask him as many questions as incould think of while in his office. He said "I want to give u a 30 day trial" to we how it affects the levels. And I just really wanted to get it started bc my symptoms were so bad on a daily basis. Now that it's been almost a week and have had the opportunity to learn more about the whole process of treatment, I know what to ask for and what to expect moving forward and will be much more prepared. It is only a 2mg patch, so its not like im shooting 100mg a week.. It's 14 a week essentially.. But I agree I need to learn and nail down a lot of the ins and outs. Thanks for being helpful as u are guys.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by alpinecoach

    You make a valid point. I stand corrected.
    Holy ****!!!! First time I've seen that in a long time. Humble, I like this guy...
    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle
    I don't have any water retention issues with e2, so I guess I'll use creatine again like I used to. Funny thing is that I used to be stronger a year ago on creatine than I am on TRT. My testosterone levels are higher than they've probably ever been in my entire life, but I was stronger when they were lower and I supplemented creatine. For example, I used to flat bench 150lb dumbells x 6 with not much problem. Now I'm down to 140lb x 6. Doesn't make sense to me. I thought a high test level would make me a powerhouse, guess not?
    I wouldn't necessarilylook to creatine as the culprit of strength loss bud. Supplements are a very minute part of the puzzle. You should be much stronger from the testosterone therapy compared to DC'ing creatine.



    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    I was on licogenix and bulbine prior to starting and when the diagnosing bloods were drawn. He said not to stop taking it. My next bloods will be on November 2nd (16 days after starting)
    I usually don't say anything on direct advice from a physician BUT that seems very irresponsible to me to have you continue something that has the ability to manipulate hormone levels. The reason being is that you won't get an accurate baseline reading.

    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj
    HCG is a complete waste of time on TRT and if you get your test dialed in, you won't need to worry about an AI.
    I disagree... HCG can be very helpful in preventing complete shut down.

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  6. I know. Thanks valdez
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  7. Oof.. Woke up extremely unrested and lethargic.. Dreading my workout :/ wtf, a few days ago I felt like a champ ..
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  8. Yeah, I agree. HCG is definitely useful, especially for those that are still going to want children. I also agree that you gotta quit taking all the hormonal supps. You won't have a clue what is doing what in your body.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by tenntarheel
    Yeah, I agree. HCG is definitely useful, especially for those that are still going to want children. I also agree that you gotta quit taking all the hormonal supps. You won't have a clue what is doing what in your body.
    So y wouldn't the dr have prescribed hcg from the get go? I'm 24, def need to be able to have kids
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    So y wouldn't the dr have prescribed hcg from the get go? I'm 24, def need to be able to have kids
    Not all Dr's offer HCG as a protocol. Being that you're on androgel I wouldn't think your Dr is one of the more progressive in the field.

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  11. Doctors and endos will not prescribe HCG in almost any case. You can beg and plead and they just don't do it. About the only way to get HCG is to go to a clinic that specializes in HRT. The draw back is that you tend to spend a lot and get filled up on things you don't really need. Or you could search the Internet.

    HCG is expensive and most people that are on TRT are already done having kids- so it isn't something that is likely to be thought of or used as an option. Sure, you could keep your nuts hanging low, but all it ends up being is a drain on the wallet and a vanity issue. If you still plan to have kids, I wouldn't just look to jump on TRT. Look around to some progressive doctors looking at short term Clomid supplementation or other avenues.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez

    Not all Dr's offer HCG as a protocol. Being that you're on androgel I wouldn't think your Dr is one of the more progressive in the field.

    - Valdez
    I'm on androderm patch not gel. N he said it was to see how I'd respond before moving forward w more aggressive treatmeant
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj
    Doctors and endos will not prescribe HCG in almost any case. You can beg and plead and they just don't do it. About the only way to get HCG is to go to a clinic that specializes in HRT. The draw back is that you tend to spend a lot and get filled up on things you don't really need. Or you could search the Internet.

    HCG is expensive and most people that are on TRT are already done having kids- so it isn't something that is likely to be thought of or used as an option. Sure, you could keep your nuts hanging low, but all it ends up being is a drain on the wallet and a vanity issue. If you still plan to have kids, I wouldn't just look to jump on TRT. Look around to some progressive doctors looking at short term Clomid supplementation or other avenues.
    Ok. I will try to find places or talk to him n work with him to change things up. I dont care what my sack looks like, I just want to be making sperm lol.

    Do these clinics not take insurance?

    What am I facing if I come off after being on 2-3 weeks? It's Low dose patch.. Would I need something then to jump start me back im assuming.. Would OTCs be enough, wtf
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  14. Sorry man, I don't know how clinics work- only what I have been told by people I know that started at them and left. As far as insurance, they will squawk at anything they can. I had to provide letters from my doc and endo before insurance would cover test. HCG isn't even an option for my insurance (Cigna), so the only way is paying full price.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj
    Sorry man, I don't know how clinics work- only what I have been told by people I know that started at them and left. As far as insurance, they will squawk at anything they can. I had to provide letters from my doc and endo before insurance would cover test. HCG isn't even an option for my insurance (Cigna), so the only way is paying full price.
    Fock I have cigna too. Bastards.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    I'm on androderm patch not gel. N he said it was to see how I'd respond before moving forward w more aggressive treatmeant
    Got ya...

    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    Ok. I will try to find places or talk to him n work with him to change things up. I dont care what my sack looks like, I just want to be making sperm lol.

    Do these clinics not take insurance?

    What am I facing if I come off after being on 2-3 weeks? It's Low dose patch.. Would I need something then to jump start me back im assuming.. Would OTCs be enough, wtf
    You are going to make significantly less sperm being on TRT. That is one of the things that deters people from being on especially at our age. You aren't going to have just testicular atrophy but also decreased sperm.

    Just have to call around on insurance bud there are definitely clinics that take insurance. I know the one all the firefighters and police go to out here is $10 per injection and HCG is covered. However, a lot of them are really just looking for profits so you may not be receiving a protocol to specifically suit your needs. Keep that in mind when looking around bud.

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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez
    Got ya...

    You are going to make significantly less sperm being on TRT. That is one of the things that deters people from being on especially at our age. You aren't going to have just testicular atrophy but also decreased sperm.

    Just have to call around on insurance bud there are definitely clinics that take insurance. I know the one all the firefighters and police go to out here is $10 per injection and HCG is covered. However, a lot of them are really just looking for profits so you may not be receiving a protocol to specifically suit your needs. Keep that in mind when looking around bud.

    - Valdez
    Thanks v. I'm actually trying to become a cop
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    Thanks v. I'm actually trying to become a cop
    No prob bro... I remember you saying something about that. What city are you trying to get on with? I'm a firefighter.

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  19. How u guts feel about adding dhea?
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez

    No prob bro... I remember you saying something about that. What city are you trying to get on with? I'm a firefighter.

    - Valdez
    Anywhere that will take me! It's so competitive in CT.. do u live here? I'm in the process with two at the moment
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza
    How u guts feel about adding dhea?
    More than likely a waste of money and it will skew your results. Stick with just the test for now until you have good base numbers and they figure out a solid dosage for you. Patience bro...
    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    Anywhere that will take me! It's so competitive in CT.. do u live here? I'm in the process with two at the moment
    Nah, I'm in AZ... I hear that dude it took me 6 years to finally get hired. Stick with it!

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  22. idk what your opinion is on gray area research chems... but both Clomid and hcg can be acquired at a few of them... I'd really look into that if insurance won't cover it.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough
    idk what your opinion is on gray area research chems... but both Clomid and hcg can be acquired at a few of them... I'd really look into that if insurance won't cover it.
    Like off the street? Idk what research chems mean. I can't be getting stuff off the street lol
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  24. No sir, they are legitimately sold over the web for research purposes, thus no prescription needed.

    Of course they are "not intended for human consumption"... but are perfectly legal to obtain.

    Have you ever wondered how all the guys here running otc cycles got their pct chemicals?
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough
    No sir, they are legitimately sold over the web for research purposes, thus no prescription needed.

    Of course they are "not intended for human consumption"... but are perfectly legal to obtain.

    Have you ever wondered how all the guys here running otc cycles got their pct chemicals?
    Wondered? No, assumed they just had connections lol yes. I could get stuff from ppl at my gym, but like i said a few posts up, trying to become a cop. I've gone that route once before years ago with winny tabs and who knows if they were even legit, I canned it after two weeks due to sides. Anyway, at this point in time i wanna go by my doctor. I just really don't wanna shutdown and lose fertility.
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