Creatine affecting TRT?

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  1. I know. Thanks valdez


  2. Oof.. Woke up extremely unrested and lethargic.. Dreading my workout :/ wtf, a few days ago I felt like a champ ..
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  3. Yeah, I agree. HCG is definitely useful, especially for those that are still going to want children. I also agree that you gotta quit taking all the hormonal supps. You won't have a clue what is doing what in your body.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by tenntarheel
    Yeah, I agree. HCG is definitely useful, especially for those that are still going to want children. I also agree that you gotta quit taking all the hormonal supps. You won't have a clue what is doing what in your body.
    So y wouldn't the dr have prescribed hcg from the get go? I'm 24, def need to be able to have kids
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    So y wouldn't the dr have prescribed hcg from the get go? I'm 24, def need to be able to have kids
    Not all Dr's offer HCG as a protocol. Being that you're on androgel I wouldn't think your Dr is one of the more progressive in the field.

    - Valdez
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  6. Doctors and endos will not prescribe HCG in almost any case. You can beg and plead and they just don't do it. About the only way to get HCG is to go to a clinic that specializes in HRT. The draw back is that you tend to spend a lot and get filled up on things you don't really need. Or you could search the Internet.

    HCG is expensive and most people that are on TRT are already done having kids- so it isn't something that is likely to be thought of or used as an option. Sure, you could keep your nuts hanging low, but all it ends up being is a drain on the wallet and a vanity issue. If you still plan to have kids, I wouldn't just look to jump on TRT. Look around to some progressive doctors looking at short term Clomid supplementation or other avenues.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez

    Not all Dr's offer HCG as a protocol. Being that you're on androgel I wouldn't think your Dr is one of the more progressive in the field.

    - Valdez
    I'm on androderm patch not gel. N he said it was to see how I'd respond before moving forward w more aggressive treatmeant

  8. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj
    Doctors and endos will not prescribe HCG in almost any case. You can beg and plead and they just don't do it. About the only way to get HCG is to go to a clinic that specializes in HRT. The draw back is that you tend to spend a lot and get filled up on things you don't really need. Or you could search the Internet.

    HCG is expensive and most people that are on TRT are already done having kids- so it isn't something that is likely to be thought of or used as an option. Sure, you could keep your nuts hanging low, but all it ends up being is a drain on the wallet and a vanity issue. If you still plan to have kids, I wouldn't just look to jump on TRT. Look around to some progressive doctors looking at short term Clomid supplementation or other avenues.
    Ok. I will try to find places or talk to him n work with him to change things up. I dont care what my sack looks like, I just want to be making sperm lol.

    Do these clinics not take insurance?

    What am I facing if I come off after being on 2-3 weeks? It's Low dose patch.. Would I need something then to jump start me back im assuming.. Would OTCs be enough, wtf

  9. Sorry man, I don't know how clinics work- only what I have been told by people I know that started at them and left. As far as insurance, they will squawk at anything they can. I had to provide letters from my doc and endo before insurance would cover test. HCG isn't even an option for my insurance (Cigna), so the only way is paying full price.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj
    Sorry man, I don't know how clinics work- only what I have been told by people I know that started at them and left. As far as insurance, they will squawk at anything they can. I had to provide letters from my doc and endo before insurance would cover test. HCG isn't even an option for my insurance (Cigna), so the only way is paying full price.
    Fock I have cigna too. Bastards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    I'm on androderm patch not gel. N he said it was to see how I'd respond before moving forward w more aggressive treatmeant
    Got ya...

    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    Ok. I will try to find places or talk to him n work with him to change things up. I dont care what my sack looks like, I just want to be making sperm lol.

    Do these clinics not take insurance?

    What am I facing if I come off after being on 2-3 weeks? It's Low dose patch.. Would I need something then to jump start me back im assuming.. Would OTCs be enough, wtf
    You are going to make significantly less sperm being on TRT. That is one of the things that deters people from being on especially at our age. You aren't going to have just testicular atrophy but also decreased sperm.

    Just have to call around on insurance bud there are definitely clinics that take insurance. I know the one all the firefighters and police go to out here is $10 per injection and HCG is covered. However, a lot of them are really just looking for profits so you may not be receiving a protocol to specifically suit your needs. Keep that in mind when looking around bud.

    - Valdez
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    "More than a supplement company."

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez
    Got ya...

    You are going to make significantly less sperm being on TRT. That is one of the things that deters people from being on especially at our age. You aren't going to have just testicular atrophy but also decreased sperm.

    Just have to call around on insurance bud there are definitely clinics that take insurance. I know the one all the firefighters and police go to out here is $10 per injection and HCG is covered. However, a lot of them are really just looking for profits so you may not be receiving a protocol to specifically suit your needs. Keep that in mind when looking around bud.

    - Valdez
    Thanks v. I'm actually trying to become a cop
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    Thanks v. I'm actually trying to become a cop
    No prob bro... I remember you saying something about that. What city are you trying to get on with? I'm a firefighter.

    - Valdez
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  14. How u guts feel about adding dhea?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez

    No prob bro... I remember you saying something about that. What city are you trying to get on with? I'm a firefighter.

    - Valdez
    Anywhere that will take me! It's so competitive in CT.. do u live here? I'm in the process with two at the moment
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza
    How u guts feel about adding dhea?
    More than likely a waste of money and it will skew your results. Stick with just the test for now until you have good base numbers and they figure out a solid dosage for you. Patience bro...
    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    Anywhere that will take me! It's so competitive in CT.. do u live here? I'm in the process with two at the moment
    Nah, I'm in AZ... I hear that dude it took me 6 years to finally get hired. Stick with it!

    - Valdez
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  17. idk what your opinion is on gray area research chems... but both Clomid and hcg can be acquired at a few of them... I'd really look into that if insurance won't cover it.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough
    idk what your opinion is on gray area research chems... but both Clomid and hcg can be acquired at a few of them... I'd really look into that if insurance won't cover it.
    Like off the street? Idk what research chems mean. I can't be getting stuff off the street lol

  19. No sir, they are legitimately sold over the web for research purposes, thus no prescription needed.

    Of course they are "not intended for human consumption"... but are perfectly legal to obtain.

    Have you ever wondered how all the guys here running otc cycles got their pct chemicals?
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough
    No sir, they are legitimately sold over the web for research purposes, thus no prescription needed.

    Of course they are "not intended for human consumption"... but are perfectly legal to obtain.

    Have you ever wondered how all the guys here running otc cycles got their pct chemicals?
    Wondered? No, assumed they just had connections lol yes. I could get stuff from ppl at my gym, but like i said a few posts up, trying to become a cop. I've gone that route once before years ago with winny tabs and who knows if they were even legit, I canned it after two weeks due to sides. Anyway, at this point in time i wanna go by my doctor. I just really don't wanna shutdown and lose fertility.

  21. Yeah bro, research chems are legit.

  22. Well I'm seeing my endo a week early on Friday. Will have been on for 10 days by that point and will either ask for hcg + higher dose or to be pulled off and given clomid/ anything to increase natty production. What rx products can increase test naturally/ not cause shut down?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza
    Well I'm seeing my endo a week early on Friday. Will have been on for 10 days by that point and will either ask for hcg + higher dose or to be pulled off and given clomid/ anything to increase natty production. What rx products can increase test naturally/ not cause shut down?
    formestane...

    Also even a shot or 2 dosed across a week of hcg could help start to sensitize your testes for production then switch to Clomid and some formestane.

    I just read a study where they gave suppressed rats a shot of hcg then 24hr later formestane right in the testes and it shot test production way up...

    I'm thinking you could just bathe your balls in formestane transdermal, LoL. Better option then injecting your balls.

    DAA would be a good addition here too and without worry considering the inclusion of a powerful ai like formestane.

    High dosing macuna could also help increase production, namely spermatogenesis, so keep that in mind come baby making time as well.

    I'm sure there are quite a few other options... but really is just a shot in the dark coming from me... you should hit up matrix on here...I've seen tons of good stuff from him re trt.
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  24. Well I saw dr and he increased my adroderm patch to 4mg from 2. And drew blood. Wouldn't entertain anything else atthe time since it's only been 10 days... In just worried that staying on too long will shut me off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza
    Well I saw dr and he increased my adroderm patch to 4mg from 2. And drew blood. Wouldn't entertain anything else atthe time since it's only been 10 days... In just worried that staying on too long will shut me off.
    Well lets go this route... Do you plan on staying on it forever? If not, taking it for a while and then stopping is only going to set you back.

    - Valdez
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by Valdez

    Well lets go this route... Do you plan on staying on it forever? If not, taking it for a while and then stopping is only going to set you back.

    - Valdez
    Well I do, but I plan on stopping if I have to in order to have kids. Idk.. It's only been 10 days. Another 20 or 30 shouldn't really set me back so much? He needs to assess the effects and then figure out If we can add anything like hcg or move to clomid..

  27. Hey guys if you stop trt will sperm and fertility come back if you wanna have a baby? Or are you screwed for life? I also haven't noticed any strength gains being on trt of 200mg a week test cypionate injections. I didn't expect extreme strength difference but I honestly feel it hasn't changed either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    Well I do, but I plan on stopping if I have to in order to have kids. Idk.. It's only been 10 days. Another 20 or 30 shouldn't really set me back so much? He needs to assess the effects and then figure out If we can add anything like hcg or move to clomid..
    My captain - On TRT for.3 years an RX of HCG and he got his wife pregnant. There is no guarantee though everyone responds differently to different things.

    Another 20-30mg? I'm not real familiar with the patch but with an exogenous source coming in no matter the amount endogenous production will decrease. How much or little? We won't know until it happens and you have bloods.

    - Valdez
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    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiijedi
    Hey guys if you stop trt will sperm and fertility come back if you wanna have a baby? Or are you screwed for life? I also haven't noticed any strength gains being on trt of 200mg a week test cypionate injections. I didn't expect extreme strength difference but I honestly feel it hasn't changed either.
    There are no guarantees... More than likely yes, but THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES. You will have to basically PCT off of the TRT depending on your body who knows how long that will take if ever. You more than likely will be given Clomid and will be forced to get your own natural testosterone up.

    With that being said, is TRT worth it? That's up to you to decide.

    What were your levels before? And what are they now?

    - Valdez
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by hawaiijedi
    I didn't expect extreme strength difference but I honestly feel it hasn't changed either.
    It doesn't, I was actually stronger before TRT.
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