no opinion before you state your age. older than 30, you may have a bit of trouble convincing a gp you need trt until < 300.
I'm 38...
If you go to the same doctor that did this test NO. Obviously he doesnt know TRT very well
Trib doesn't increase test only libido enhancement. I would get a second opinion if I were you but as far as OTC test boosters go your beat bet is DAA.
man, you're right. that's sound logic, he doesn't know. At least I got all the routine chemistry, lipids and thyroid studies done. Just need to get the free, estrogen and all that jazz... gotta look up that info to see what labs i need and print them off so when i talk to a dr i can just show it to them.
Damn, it sucks as a libido enhancer....................................
Seems like the classic low test. Def ask for the tests yourself and go from there. You def a good canditate for TRT.
You need more blood work done before you consider trt. Lh, shbg, fsh, free t. And more.
Actually yes you do, but I would explore why your levels are low in the first place before jumping the gun and creating more of a metabolic mess or possible end up cover up some other imbalances which is potentially putting you at health risk. T goes down for a reason rarely as primary cause.
You may be masking something more sinister. Drs are treating too many symptoms not dealing with the causes which are resulting in problems down the road. These people usually end up on my door step 6 months to a year from now crying the blues when I told them so. Some people have to learn the hard way..
Need to have questions before having answers. Low T then I would supplement TRT with a good Dr then look at other factors while that is being address.
The test levels you have is about what a 6 yearl old girl would produce. Im not trying to be funny is the truth. Yes your testosterone should be around 600-900. So it's wayyy low and explains most of your symptoms. Question is why are you completely shut down??
Thank you for the input. Do you know why the free test would be in normal range of reference while the totals are low? I see my doc to go over these on the 17th. I just want to have as much knowledge as possible while talking to her about it. Might sound funny but i'm kinda glad to hear about the six year old girl level, I guess
. Gives me a little hope that treating these results may give me hope to recovery, FINALLY! You welcome!Thank you for the input. Do you know why the free test would be in normal range of reference while the totals are low? I see my doc to go over these on the 17th. I just want to have as much knowledge as possible while talking to her about it. Might sound funny but i'm kinda glad to hear about the six year old girl level, I guess
Why is it I read that the free test is most important tho? My results say free test is in normanl range which probably means I wont be treated if this is true. I feel so horrible. I read how getting the total test up helped others regain their helth and energy. I would love to have something to counter mmy doctor with in case she wants to tell me everything is ok do to the free test result. Any suggestions? Also, she is a D.O instead of MD. Will this make a difference? I feel I am going to get one shot at making my case with her. Getting her to just run the test was like pulling teeth. Again, thank you everyone.
Wow! thanks for the great info. I certainly appreciate it a great deal. So even though the free test is within the norm level, it supossed to be at high norm part of it? Maybe with my doc having the numbers now, she wont be so difficult to deal with moving forward. IDK. If she's any good, I guess she will want to run the other tests to get to the root of the problem. Fingers crossed. If she is unwilling, what's your thoughts on a uroligist? I was considering seeing one as they claim to work with ED. Should that correct if the testosterone is corrected or is it seperate?
. A little more about me is, I was in a motor vehicle accident in 1993 that shattered the femure and pretty much broke everything else from the hip down to my toes. It's been fixed and corrected although i have constant pain on a daily basis and take percocet 3-4 times daily. And when I was in my very early 20's, I had a vesectomy performed and 10 years later had a vesectomy reversal which was successful. I got my wife pregnant 1 year afterwards and had our 3rd child.
Pain killers lower testosterone over prolong peroid of time they suppress the LHWow! thanks for the great info. I certainly appreciate it a great deal. So even though the free test is within the norm level, it supossed to be at high norm part of it? Maybe with my doc having the numbers now, she wont be so difficult to deal with moving forward. IDK. If she's any good, I guess she will want to run the other tests to get to the root of the problem. Fingers crossed. If she is unwilling, what's your thoughts on a uroligist? I was considering seeing one as they claim to work with ED. Should that correct if the testosterone is corrected or is it seperate?
Doesn't most endo docs care only about the free test? I live in a small town where my options for doctor selections are few. I read most everywhere that increasing the total test greatly increases most of my issues to be no longer exsistant. I am excited beyond belief that there may be hope for me after all.
Do you think any of these other things would cause the issues and low test results? The doctor i currently have has only been my doctor for two weeks and i think i failed to remember and report the vesectomy and reversal i had done. I am taking notes so your answers are not in vein. Trying to be as prepared as possible so I know where to push my doctor towards for optimal results.
Again, thank you so much for your replys
Wow! Thanks. This is awesome information and I will use it all come vist time. Thanks again. You're awesome
Your Dr is a pure moron and potentially putting you at risk for mitochondrial and musclular disease with statin drugs.
I thought I read that the test helped with lower cholesterol so you are right my friend. I just feel so horrible and when she told me six more months, I thought i was going to just die in her office. I live in South Boston, Virginia. I guess it worries me most because i live in such a small town that drs are few and It seems that only the ones that can't get hired anywhere else comes here. Thank you so much for your time.
I am definatly finding a new dr. no doubt about it. And yes I could stand to lose that much weight. I used to be very fit and visited the gym 4-5 times a week. But these days I don't have the strength or energy to even get out of bed most of the time. I watch my caloric intake but continue to add belly fat. Can't seem to burn calories at all. No matter what I try. Anyone know of any Drs. in Durham, NC or lynchburg, VA? I live in VA and those two are large citys that I am willing to travel to. I went by and got all my lab work reports so I can take to another dr. Hopfully it will save alot of running and time. I noticed other labs the dr didn't mention when i picked up the hard copys. Thyroid, prostate and pituitary was in good shape as well as other blood work. So the main issues are the cholesterol and low-T. I also have high blood pressure. I was given Lipitor 20mg and Diovan 160mg for blood pressure and cholesterol. But now I'm nervous about the Lipitor because of the statement by the Matrix here on the board "potentially putting you at risk for mitochondrial and musclular disease with statin drugs". Should I start taking these drugs or wait until I find a dr. to fix the low-T? I researched what Matrix said and he was right about statins. With this knowledge I'm not sure what to do. On one hand I know I need them for those two issues and on the other hand, If the TRT will fix it then I'd rather let the TRT do it. After seeing my insane dr. I know she doesn't care about the whole picture and my well being as a whole. Fixing only individual promblems and leaving the rest of me out to continue suffering.
Great speaking with you !! Check out the H2 group to get a good dr in your area then we will go from there.
Hang in there and keep looking for the right doctor. Matrix i right on the cholesterol. Pls dont take lipitor it's a dangerous drug. Cholesterol if you worried about it and want to get to the bottom if it do a VAP test. VAP test will actuall count the small density cholesterol molecules (LDL) which may be a problem geting stuck in your arteries IF you have inflamation. Other wise high HDL or big molecules LDL are fine they are there to clean your blood! ALso triglycerides which is fat in the blood is caused by high intake of carbohydrates and especially fructose. If that's high cut out the sugar and excessive fruit intake and most grains and such and eat more fat and protein instead.
Thank you for the great info. I contacted Atherotech Diagnostics lab to get the VAP done. My triglycerides was high 425. HDL was normal range and LDL 245.
Wow! 130 is awesome. I took Trilipix for a year and never got under 400. I stopped taking it because of that. I did go down alot from 1100 but not close to 130. Congrats. I'm glad it was the right drug for you. I took trilipix, changed diet completly and still never went under 400. Along with trilipix I took 1,000 mg of Niaspan per day. The 400 was better than the 1100 but not low enough so I just consider it didnt work.
Triglycerides in the blood get there via the liver. Carbs are the culprit in most cases plus genetics too BUT in general carbs in the form of sugars get broken down by the liver and if not burned then in an atempt for out bodies to get rid of high blood sugar it dispearses it towards fat cells and blood. One thing to check in your case is Type 2 diabetes and insulin resistance. HRT should help with this problem but goin on a low carb diet is equally important.
Yes I had sugar checked at same time as my last labs. Glucose came in at 105 while fasting. Prior tests within the last two years shows glucose between 99 and 105. Most of the time it's 99. Other blood issue that no doctor seems to care about is the monocytes. Mine in the last two years has been in the range of 10 & 15. I think that's low and from what I gather, it has something to do with auto immune. IDK how it plays a role if any to low-T.
my blood glucose came back at 105 as well, fasting since 12 hours previous (other than an egg protein in water shake earlier in the morning)...and I am a low carber, and hadn't had any significant carbs for probably more like 24 hours. They flagged it at the lab, but the doctor didn't say a thing to me "everything looks good". also they flagged the 290 test, but he felt clinically i looked "fine" so he did not bother to tell me about that either. Luckily I am informed and asked for the test results so i saw all this crap and forced them to address it via TRT. but I didn't follow up on the high glucose....it worries me since I am a low carber and was fasted, that doesn't sound good. Keep us updated though, I'm curious as to what you find out. Once i get this TRT sorted out, i figure to get glucose checked along with hormones next blood work and I'll bring it up then I suppose.....
Hey! we must be seeing the same doctor. IMO what is the purpose of making us spend hundreds of dollars on blood work if the doctor isn't going to act on the results? This angers me. In the same lab results, I showed high cholesterol, high glucose, very low monocytes, low testosterone and other lab flagged results and all I got was Lipitor. I am angry at the medical world. If you're going to force lab expense on us, then friggin treat us when the results aren't normal. I don't get it. My doctor wants me to see other doctors to address my issues. HUH? you ran the tests searching for certain problems. You are a family dr. Fix it. Why send me to see a shrink and other drs? Whatever. I knew at the end of my visit with the dr that I was getting a new dr. I have an appointment with a new dr and will update after my visit. Thanks for the reply and wish you the best and hope you act quickly if your dr doesn't want to treat your flagged findings. Goodluck
Congrats. And thank you
my doctors office never wants to refer me to a specialist (other than my cardiologist which I had BEFORE getting on with them)....I asked for an endo referral since they did not address the low T....they say no, we'll take care of it here, then they tell me I'm not a candidate for injections....I get androgel, OK I can go with that and see where it takes me, might work well for me. The problem is that I need to bring it up, That is not the way it should be, they should be proactive and suggest additional testing or what Rx might fix the issue. If they asked me questions, and found out I am a low carber, that glucose # would be somewhat alarming. They just figure I ate some carbs before I came in I suppose? same thing with the low T, they never asked me about my symptoms....just took a look at me and thought this guy looks fine. Its just all half-assed. How they can just not ask questions, and just ignore the #'s, is beyond me. I feel for the people that never request the results and just take the doctors word for it. I guess I just need to keep on them by looking at my results and bringing the problems to their attention...so long as they address it, and properly, I can live with that. But I shouldn't have to do that.....
Oh man....I was pissed when I picked up my androgel and it was 2.5g
So i made a call to the doctors assistant who phones in all the scripts....and she explained it was for assessing tolerance, and that she'd bump me in a month. I was like "I gotta wait an ENTIRE MONTH!?" lol...if I had to wait 6 months just to get ANYTHING? I'd flip out. You should 100% see an endo, demand a referral....or just never go there again, and get a new doctor which I believe you are in the process of doing. That is REALLY bad, I feel like a complainer now haha. You are correct though, we must remain vigilant with these doctors, and keep ourselves informed. This way we can demand the proper treatment, and if they don't capitulate? we fire them! doctors are a dime a dozen....although certain insurance only allows specific doctors and specialists in order to get your visit paid for. But there are enough on the list to hire and fire a few before you find the right one. I really believe my doctors office doesn't do referrals since they "want the extra business"....which is fine, because it forces them to handle the situation if they are taking on responsibility for the specialists. well good luck to you as well, keep us updated (esp me with the glucose issue)....I intend to get this glucose issue sorted out soon, just want to get going on the TRT and get a hormone panel, and then when I go in for that I'll talk to the doc about my diet and how it should not affect my glucose like that. could be some sort of diabetic issue for christ sakes!to my understanding, low-t also effects glucose. treatment for low-t should help lower glucose numbers. As well as cholesterol and many other things. my glucose levels have only been this way for couple years. around the time i began to shut down. may i ask what your test level was?Oh man....I was pissed when I picked up my androgel and it was 2.5g
yes, I heard the same thing....TRT/restoring your test will help with the blood glucose issue....but my test was 290, I was quite shocked since i had just recently done a proper clomid PCT (not for an AAS cycle, but a PH/DS cycle) and had steady been on DAA/intimidate for the months after that (on nothing for testing of course).
Yes, keep the gluten free diet, BUT increase fat to 150g a day, protein 100g and cut carbs to 50g mostly vegetables. Give this a try and see how you feel. This is about 2000cal per day. Include whole eggs, chesse, butter, fattier meats etc. Dont be afraid it will be ok.
If you are worried buy a glucose meter and keep checking your glucose fasted in the AM. If it persistantly stays 100 or better then do a insulin tolerance test and also check if the problem is at the cell level or pancreas is not producing enough.
yeah my dad said his came back around 99ish and he was taking his blood glucose with some sort of device he had at home...and he said it was up near 100 pretty much all the time, but usually just below. he is 70 so he does not eat much, probably once per day and not so much carbs...then minor snacking during the day. What are some symptoms I should look for? and can you get a glucose meter at the pharmacy? I will pick one up when I pickup my androgel refill on monday. never used one before obviously. this involves blood right?
damn......You can get a meter at any pharmacy. I found a cheap one at walmart that is for travel cost me 20 bucks for 50strips. It's easy to use very little blood. Symptoms I run into was bloating and indigestion but this is me though. I felt as if I wasnt eating enough food nutritionaly, even though I ate 3000cal or more. I also felt weak as if my body couldnt asimilate what I ate and I was geting fat. That the best I can describe it.yeah my dad said his came back around 99ish and he was taking his blood glucose with some sort of device he had at home...and he said it was up near 100 pretty much all the time, but usually just below. he is 70 so he does not eat much, probably once per day and not so much carbs...then minor snacking during the day. What are some symptoms I should look for? and can you get a glucose meter at the pharmacy? I will pick one up when I pickup my androgel refill on monday. never used one before obviously. this involves blood right?
yeah I already low carb, usually 40-60 carbs a day and a few days of 100 carbs or so. my fat is always 100-130 grams and protein 180-200 grams...depending on if I take in 1800 or 2000 or 2200 calories that day. maybe get a normal every day/low carb baseline reading....check it every day for several days....then on the day I take in the 100 carbs (usually all at once) I'll check every hour. I do take in tons of fat and protein with the carbs most times....like 1/3 to 1/2 of my cals at once. so that might skew the glucose level reading. not sure.
Yeap get a normal everyday low carb baseline reading. At 2000 cal per day 200g of protein is a bit high. I eat 200-250 at 3000cal. I normally keep my daily carbs to 50g or so and only once a week I spike with a meal of 150-whatever carb amount. I have no limit on this one. If you increase carbs too often it might not work as well. If you need calories eat more fat. I sometimes hit uppwards to 300g of fat a day if I have physical. demands.
yeah I know all about the fact protein/fiber even fat can blunt the effects of any carb simple or complex. I like to eat 12+ oz's of lo mein noodles with 8+ oz's of flank steak for my carb meal. needless to say its full of fat/carbs/protein. or pizza, which again, is full of all those things....i rarely eat JUST carbs when I carb up. But I'll definitely do it, with 50 grams of whatever, just to see what happens. But i like to take in my BW + a bit in protein...so at 175-195 I just do 190-220 grams of protein. I do kill the fat though still....100 plus grams easily unless I am on a lower calorie day.
I normally do the same as you do for the big meal I eat everything together. Most times I just over eat so much like a whole pizza or 2 burgers, trimings and desert then Im out for hours..lol
My point exactly
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