anyone doing bhrt?
- 09-04-2011, 05:40 PM
- 09-04-2011, 07:13 PM
09-04-2011, 08:53 PM
I believe... it's to do with the chemical makeup.
BioIdentical hormones are usually extracted from plants and are meant to be an exact chemical match to our own bodies hormones.
Testosterone Enanthate etc etc do not match "exactly"....
Again this is just my synopsis from what I've read, could be wrong but I'm new to all this researching so take it from one of the other more experienced guys.
I have read varying responses to the success with BHRT, that could depend on the company and compound though.
09-04-2011, 08:54 PM
09-04-2011, 09:00 PM
If 100-200mg of Test C didn't work. .05mg of Bioidentical Test probably won't do much either. Most bHRT docs resort to injections after the bHRT cream doesn't work. It's hit or miss really. Some like it and feel better. Others, not so much.
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09-05-2011, 10:17 AM
09-05-2011, 10:21 AM
09-05-2011, 04:34 PM
If the hormone you are taking is not identical to testosterone its not testosterone. it doesnt matter if you call it bioidentical, or anything like that. There is only one structure that is called testosterone, and it functions the exact same whether you call it bioidentical or synthetic.
As far as the esther all that does is delay the release of the hormone into your blood stream. it does not change the chemical function of the testosterone once it is free in your body.
Most of what I have read about bhrt deals with women, and the fact that there are dozens of hormone therapies based around various symthetic estrogens and progestins, like birth control pills etc. but with men....i do not see them talking about using 1-test, dht, nandralone, or boldenone as HRT....its always testosterone.
09-05-2011, 06:18 PM
09-05-2011, 06:23 PM
So what is the compenents of the BHRT creame. BHRT is a misleading term. They use the ingredients people on HRT uses. You probably and many others are mislead by the terminology used by some practioners. I see a lot of red flags. If you were going the natural route then find out why your hormones are out in the first place and what other imbalances are in your different systems. When digging you will be surprise what you find as the core source of why you are having issues.
09-05-2011, 08:57 PM
09-05-2011, 09:19 PM
09-06-2011, 09:39 AM
Your body cannot differentiate between hormones synthesized from yams or soy like 17 beta-estradiol, estrone, and estriol or even testosterone, though they are all synthesized in processes that are hardly natural. All they are doing is selling a line that it is more "natural" though that is up to interpretation.
09-06-2011, 09:56 AM
09-06-2011, 11:33 AM
I just finished my follow-up appointment with my doc. I'm waiting for her to get back to me on a nutrition plan I am having her create as well as what she is planning on prescribing me. She said she wants to prescribe me hCG and IGF-1, but the IGF-1 was my suggestion. I wanted her to give me hgh or test, but she says she has to follow "protocols." Sheeeesh
09-06-2011, 11:42 AM
One can raise igf-1 with out drugs. giving you igf-1 is not medically appropriate. Sounds like she's a human script pad.
Going to a BHMT dr then wanting to do it naturally sounds a little hippocritical IMO.
By identifying the imbalances in the body can help modulate a lot of factors you may be dealing with.
09-06-2011, 03:17 PM
I guess she is an Osteopath Doctor who practices internal medicine she says. I first saw her for a nutritional evaluation. I have a lot of ongoing anxiety and stress from school so I wanted to see what could be contributing to my stress other than school. The nutritional evaluation suggested some nutritional areas where I was deficit in and likewise suggestions of what nutrients I can take to bring those deficits back to balance (I'd have to look at the report to list the deficits if anyone is curious to know). While waiting for my report, I saw this documentary called, "Bigger, Stronger, Faster," by director Chris Bell and that movie gave me the idea to get my hormones checked out regarding my stress/anxiety. So I set up an appointment to see her for hormone testing and in the meantime while I was waiting for my appointment, I did some research on Bio-Identical Hormone Therapy in which I found very interesting as I read different posts by people on different forums like this one, which is why I ended up joining this one. I enjoy bodybuilding and martial arts and never really thought enough to think differently about steroids and hormones and the difference between "safe use and abuse", as which is the message that I got from "Bigger, Stronger, Faster." Now I do think differently about them certainly being in favor of them and I'm now awaiting for my doc to get back to me on here decision of what she wants to prescribe me.
What happened was that because I had been taking Advanced Muscle Science's 1Andro, 4AD, and Decavol and stopped just 3 1/2 weeks before I took the Salivary test, my test results came back high for testosterone, which was 847 in the morning, 836 at noon, 356 in the afternoon, and 722 at midnight. My cortisol and dhea was high also. So she said she had to call someone at Genova and talk to them to see if the reason why my testosterone was so high because of the andro I was taking or something else. I am finishing the andro, now that the testing is over. So that is why I am waiting for her to email me back regarding what she wants to prescribe me. I wish she was a script pad because I really see a lot of benefit from hgh, igf-1, and test, at a safe dosage of course. I've had three appointments now with her with the first being for the consultation for the nutritional evaluation, second for the consultation for the hormones, and then the appointment for the results for the hormonal testing. I gave a good argument as to why I think hgh, igf-1, and hcg would be the best for me, but she said she didn't work like that and that she had protocols she had to follow. In an email to her where I asked about some ideas I've read online, she wrote me back sounding like she was pretty pissed that I would question her judgement as a doctor.
My doc is fair price wise I think. For the first appointment she charged me $150, but now for every follow-up appointment it just costs me $50. The testing wasn't even that expensive. She has searched for a testing lab thats the least expensive and that is of decent quality and she came up with Genova Diagnostics. I only have to pay $170 out of pocket and the rest is charged to my insurance for the two tests that I have done so far. The only thing is that the nutritional evaluation took about 28 days to get back and the hormone evaluation which was a salivary test, took just 8 days. For $50, she spent a little under 2 hours with me in her office answering every question I had that I was able to come up with, which I got while reading forums and articles online.
09-06-2011, 03:40 PM
The essence of BHRT is "replace what is missing". It is really more relevent in women's HRT because of the mulititude of synthetic options (synthetic in the sense that they do not exist in the body, not referring to how they are made). Some practitioners don't view the ester injections as BHRT but most do because the ester does not affect the action of the testosterone, just the speed of absorbtion. However drugs like methyl-testosterone or anabolics would obviously not be considered BHRT.
09-06-2011, 04:04 PM
09-06-2011, 04:22 PM
it would suck if bhrt isnt as natural as i thought it was..might as well stayed on regular trt then..
09-06-2011, 04:45 PM
if you have any free time, would it be possible for you to evaluate my nutrival? It would be great if someone could shed some light on it as my doc hasn't completely done so yet.
09-06-2011, 05:16 PM
09-07-2011, 07:09 AM
How is test, not test?
Kinda like saying "organic, natural H20".. H20 is H20, just like test is test
09-07-2011, 11:06 AM
09-07-2011, 11:37 AM
I don't understand the concept of BHRT. I guess as far as I knew, a testosterone molecule is the same no matter the source. Basically - C19 H28 O2
So Dr's are taking samples of people's natural testosterone, looking into specific DNA in it, and then creating new DNA for the supplemental T, which is then created just specifically for that individual? So in essence, it's genetically engineered / cloned from a sample?
09-07-2011, 11:49 AM
No what I am saying is that people on clomid do not need 900 T to feel good like people on HRT
I have found to be a 200-300 point difference in HCG, clomid (endogenous) vs HRT (exogenous)
09-07-2011, 12:03 PM
09-07-2011, 04:00 PM
if an esther is enough to not make it "bio identical" then I would think that any other delivery medium, like gels or creams would make it just as un "natural." if you go with the hormone only then it sounds like test suspension is the only stuff that would meet the definition....
09-07-2011, 04:03 PM
09-08-2011, 05:08 PM
Premarin even got its name from the fact that it comes from a mare.
Now they are fooling men into thinking there is a superior form of TRT.
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