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    My testosterone is 320 ng/dl. Free T 1.41% from Quest. I have serious ED so I am taking Arimidex and daily Cialis, and have been instructed by my doctor to take Viagra on demand. I have ordered some Dostinex and Proviron and plan on adding these to the mix.
    I am 36 years old. I have started to run three miles a day and working out. I have pretty much quit drinking and I don't smoke. It would be great to find a doctor who could identify my problem with the right tests but I have lost faith in doctors. I just wanted to run this by the wise members of this forum to make sure there are no known negative interactions between these drugs.

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    How much arimidex are you taking? Estrogen too low will crater libido
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    WTF, the problem is your T level is 320. When my T level is that low I can't get it up either! When my T level is normal I can **** all night! You can go around popping all these expensive blue pills but you'll still be exhausted from low T.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bomb402 View Post
    WTF, the problem is your T level is 320. When my T level is that low I can't get it up either! When my T level is normal I can **** all night! You can go around popping all these expensive blue pills but you'll still be exhausted from low T.
    Not true for everyone, I had test levels under 270 for years and never had libido issues. After coming off TRT due to cholesterol issues, my total test was in the 100 range and I had no issues. So don't count on it being the test levels.
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    I am taking 1 mg of Arimidex twice a week. I just started a couple of weeks ago and I feel great. I have more energy than I normally have and I am much more relaxed and have a since of well being and confidence. I haven't noticed a change in libido , although I haven't been with a girl since starting. I might cut this in half and supplement it with half a dose of Proviron, since a lot of people claim a rise in libido with Proviron and I think it is also an estrogen blocker.
    Are there ways to get my Testosterone up without T therapy?
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    At where your level is, a combination of testopro plus any DAA product should make a noticeable difference
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    Good idea with the cardio, it will improve your ED issues. The more you can run, the better.
    Try to cut out simple sugars too. Stick to low GI foods.
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    PT141 + ED meds
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    The Proviron and Cabergolene did not work. I also tried tribulus and maca. I am still working out and running every day and hardly drink that much anymore. I don't know what else I can do.
    I am going to see a endocrinologist next week which seems to be my last resort. Wish me luck.
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    How old are you? Proviron is a DHT derivative, so it works well for those who need more DHT to fuction, but not so well if that isn't your problem. Was your cabaser liquid or tablets and how much did you take? Cabaser is good if your prolactin levels are elevated, but once again if that isn't your issue then it won't help.
    Your test levels are low for some reason. A testosterone restart might fix you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveNDie View Post
    PT141 + ED meds
    PT141 is good to try, MT-II is even stronger than it (per user feedback).
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    CBT, mindfullness/meditation, no vigorous jerking, no porn. Just some holisitic suggestions.
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    Here is one risk of libido meds......

    http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments...dles_involved/
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Here is one risk of libido meds......

    http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments...dles_involved/

    gdammit I wish I didn't read that
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinxie View Post
    no vigorous jerking, no porn.
    These are the most likely culprits for why it's so hard for me to get off during sex, but... too hard to give up, like any addiction, unless in a fulltime relationship. TRT makes it even worse, but in a good way

    Another good suggestion for people:

    For increased sensitivity during sex/play, use a bit of shea butter on the tip (gland) everyday, and within a month it will have broken down excess tissue that forms from friction/use, restoring a lot of sensitivity
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Here is one risk of libido meds......

    http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments...dles_involved/
    Those aren't libido medications. They are bloodflow medications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamieVegas View Post
    Those aren't libido medications. They are bloodflow medications.
    you need to get a since of humour, jamie.

    try snorting an 8 ball of Maca.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Here is one risk of libido meds......

    http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments...dles_involved/
    I read that yesterday, I absolutely love reddit for wasting time. You have to admit though, that guy can write pretty well, he kept that story entertaining!

    As for libido, instead of taking a plethora of medications, you could always try a natural route. When I last took a DAA product, more specifically TCF-1, my libido was through the roof. At the time Clomid had actually negatively effected my libido (I am one of those sad few) but TCF-1 got it going right fairly quickly.
    Just inject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinxie View Post
    you need to get a since of humour, jamie.

    try snorting an 8 ball of Maca.

    seriously, the best immediate thing for your libido will be dropping that E2 -- your free E2 is likely part of your libido challenges, but that apparently wasnt the right advice for you. and then deprenyl or bupropion, if you can handle them.

    still also think CBT is essential, as you need to work through the anger and blame.

    good luck.
    I basically do snort an eight-ball of maca. I used to do 10-15g per day. I now do only 5g.

    To the OP, I use this combination daily. No effect for me, but effects for most people with healthier endocrine systems:
    L-tyrosine, l-arginine, l-carnitine, pycnogenol, maca

    When I was younger, I was on on bupropin for a year and a half. No effect. I tried one or two months of deprenyl at some point. No noticable effect. I don't tend to recommend those to people. They don't bring sex drives out of the graveyard. Certain people with relatively normal libidos experience a boost on them, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamieVegas View Post
    I basically do snort an eight-ball of maca. I used to do 10-15g per day. I now do only 5g.

    To the OP, I use this combination daily. No effect for me, but effects for most people with healthier endocrine systems:
    L-tyrosine, l-arginine, l-carnitine, pycnogenol, maca

    When I was younger, I was on on bupropin for a year and a half. No effect. I tried one or two months of deprenyl at some point. No noticable effect. I don't tend to recommend those to people. They don't bring sex drives out of the graveyard. Certain people with relatively normal libidos experience a boost on them, though.
    Both give me an extreme boost, and I am not alone.

    Few things bring back the dead, of which I am aware. So if you are going to judge efficacy from this vantage point, we can't have a constructive discussion, Jamie.

    I stick by what I said, and believe those meds help many more people than the amino ****tail and pycnogenol, an antioxidant that I've never head of in relation to increasing libido, that you list above.

    Many people like Maca, like other supps providing test support. But this relatively mild stuff, by my assessment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinxie View Post
    Both give me an extreme boost, and I am not alone.

    Few things bring back the dead, of which I am aware. So if you are going to judge efficacy from this vantage point, we can't have a constructive discussion, Jamie.

    I stick by what I said, and believe those meds help many more people than the amino ****tail and pycnogenol, an antioxidant that I've never head of in relation to increasing libido, that you list above.

    Many people like Maca, like other supps providing test support. But this relatively mild stuff, by my assessment.
    No need to defend your suggestions. I only said those didn't work for me, specifically.

    Like HereToStudy mentioned, if you want to try a natural route:
    L-arginine is commonly reccomended to help with erections, particularly in combination with pycnogenol. There's a study out there that demonstrates the efficacy of pycnogenol in relation to curing what the study defines as "ED." L-tyrosine with help assist in the creation of dopamine.

    Further, cacao powder is alleged to contain xanthines (aside from caffiene) that reportedly excite sexual centers of the brain. Many "superfood" purveyors suggest a maca/cacao powder drink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamieVegas View Post
    No need to defend your suggestions. I only said those didn't work for me, specifically.

    Like HereToStudy mentioned, if you want to try a natural route:
    L-arginine is commonly reccomended to help with erections, particularly in combination with pycnogenol. There's a study out there that demonstrates the efficacy of pycnogenol in relation to curing what the study defines as "ED." L-tyrosine with help assist in the creation of dopamine.

    Further, cacao powder is alleged to contain xanthines (aside from caffiene) that reportedly excite sexual centers of the brain. Many "superfood" purveyors suggest a maca/cacao powder drink.
    i think you are asking for sleep interference, but suit yourself. you could also take an NO2 drink. it may well help, but at what cost? most of them interrupt sleep. I recommend ALCAR, in the morning and at noon, but I'm pretty certain that and the other aminos and pyc won't do jack for a seriously defunct libido, though they may help mood, which of course has an influence on libido.

    jamie, you are an interesting cat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinxie View Post
    i think you are asking for sleep interference, but suit yourself. you could also take an NO2 drink. it may well help, but at what cost? most of them interrupt sleep. I recommend ALCAR, in the morning and at noon, but I'm pretty certain that and the other aminos and pyc won't do jack for a seriously defunct libido, though they may help mood, which of course has an influence on libido.

    jamie, you are an interesting cat.
    A quick Google search for "male libido supplements" will reveal sources that recommend the above aminos within the first few results

    The idea is to take the drink early in the day. I'm very caffeine sensitive, so I don't use it myself. For example, more than a cup of a strong, fresh-brewed green tea will give me jitters and mild nausea.

    I've had libido issues for my entire adult life, so I'm aware (and have likely tried) of pretty much everything that can be suggested to boost the sex drive.

    If you believe the BS that Tim Ferriss spouts in his "The 4 Hour Body" book, hCG at a high dosage will "absolutely require.... require... you to ejaculate at least 3 times per day." That was his ultimate libido enhancer reccomendation. I don't stand by that, either, though.
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    hCG (in secondary hypogonadic males) greatly increases DHT and E2. With E2 control, hCG is amazing for erections and libido...I found it only great when I started treating estrogen with Aromasin though. I personally use a somewhat higher than average hCG dose, along with some test-cream on the nutsack several times during the week, and sure enough I've gotta get it on twice per day. DHT and proper E2 balancing is KEY to both libido and erection quality, at a minimum.
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    This thread has now gone way off topic. Let's bring it back, out of respect for the poster.

    Proviron sounds sensible, to increase DHT, and likely more effective than the other other suggestions, though not without risks, as I am sure you know.

    You may wish to look into Aromasin vs. Adex. Read some of my recent posts. It wont adversely effect libido, or at least is much less likely. And WAY better for lipids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinxie View Post
    This thread has now gone way off topic. Let's bring it back, out of respect for the poster.

    Proviron sounds sensible, to increase DHT, and likely more effective than the other other suggestions, though not without risks, as I am sure you know.

    You may wish to look into Aromasin vs. Adex. Read some of my recent posts. It wont adversely effect libido, or at least is much less likely. And WAY better for lipids.
    I agree with Proviron and Aromasin. But proviron will not raise DHT. It is a DHT derivative, very similar to DHT (in the sense it opposes estrogen and raises libido) but not quite the same and it won't actually raise DHT itself on labs, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    I agree with Proviron and Aromasin. But proviron will not raise DHT. It is a DHT derivative, very similar to DHT (in the sense it opposes estrogen and raises libido) but not quite the same and it won't actually raise DHT itself on labs, etc.
    I stand corrected. GP is your guy for DOPA.

    I dont know who was responsible for perpetuationg the notion that ADEX was the first stop for AI treatment for those on TRT. I know even Crisler pushed it. I assume it has a basis. But man, that stuff can tear up your lipid profile in a really insidious way.
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    Yeah I know... definitely (about arimidex).

    I think it was pushed because it has a mild effect on E2 so it's tough to overdo it. Problem is, it has diminishing returns on E2 when extra suppression is needed, and ends up crushing the lipids.

    What I love so much about aromasin, is it is very quick acting, in either direction. So any small change in dosage is immediately noticeable, whether it's backing off the dose a bit or adding more. I love it's effects on free test too, positive effects on IGF-1 and lipids. More bang for your buck with this stuff. I want to find a Dr who prescribes it.
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    I need to pickup some proviron to go along with the pound of maca I bought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Yeah I know... definitely (about arimidex).

    I think it was pushed because it has a mild effect on E2 so it's tough to overdo it. Problem is, it has diminishing returns on E2 when extra suppression is needed, and ends up crushing the lipids.

    What I love so much about aromasin, is it is very quick acting, in either direction. So any small change in dosage is immediately noticeable, whether it's backing off the dose a bit or adding more. I love it's effects on free test too, positive effects on IGF-1 and lipids. More bang for your buck with this stuff. I want to find a Dr who prescribes it.
    Agreed, and as it tends to reduce E2 by percentage, it's hard to over do it -- i.e., take it too low, even at a higher does -- though you may get too dry. Also, it doesn't pass the blood/brain, so it doesn't squelch lipido. And I understand it's more specific in terms of estrogens, so it doesn't kill the ones you need for lipids etc.

    I know a doctor that prescribes it, but it wont do you any good in the 5 Boroughs, buddy.

    Easy, I have a kilo of maca you can have, LOL. I'm not kidding -- I think it's that much. Taste is fine in a shake -- like malt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonRider View Post
    How old are you? Proviron is a DHT derivative, so it works well for those who need more DHT to fuction, but not so well if that isn't your problem. Was your cabaser liquid or tablets and how much did you take? Cabaser is good if your prolactin levels are elevated, but once again if that isn't your issue then it won't help.
    Your test levels are low for some reason. A testosterone restart might fix you.
    Yeah. My DHT and prolactin were in range. I was just grasping at straws and trying every thing that people on this forum said helped libido.

    I am 36 years old. I can tell that my testosterone has risen because my energy level has increased and I have a lot of acne on my back and chest. I havnt had that problem since I was in my twenties. I am also bulking up (of course I am lifting weights 45 min. a day)

    Thank you everyone for the responses. My appointment with the endo is on Tuesday. I hope he knows what to test for. I am hoping that there is something that is lowering my testosterone and raising my estrogen and this is the reason for my ED. The Arimidex has been great but I know that there is another problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Not true for everyone, I had test levels under 270 for years and never had libido issues. After coming off TRT due to cholesterol issues, my total test was in the 100 range and I had no issues. So don't count on it being the test levels.
    How? I thought u said before test is harmless
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    I switched from Aromasin (10 mg tab - 3x/week) to Erase (one cap per day/every day).

    My libido has gone down for sure.

    Not sure if this is relevelant but I may switch back to Aromasin.
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    A simple daily 1 scoop of Toco 8 seemed to help with my libido. It was a nice accident to discover as I was using it to halt hair loss and help with cholesterol levels, wich it worked for both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    How? I thought u said before test is harmless
    The cholesterol issues came from running orals alongside the test. Methyl stenelone did the most damage.
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    A lot of people confuse "libido" with ability to fire the rocket up when it's required.

    Libido - has to do with brain issues involving sexual desire and drive. It's separate from erectile functions (though it definitely makes things much easier to have a high libido).

    Most ED drugs address bloodflow - they make erections easier by vastly improving blood flow. I don't think these are bad meds and might one day be sold OTC. There's evidence that the increased blood flow benefits other areas of the body. Viagra was initially studied as a medication for heart disease patients when this really, really, really cool "side effect" "popped up" - pun intended.

    There are plenty of guys with low T who can get erections.

    ED is MORE complicated than T-Level. You have psyche issues involved, you have hormonal issues involved, and you have physical issues involved.

    Now - having said all that - having screaming high T-Levels is like a hammer that overcomes most of the erectile issues. High T pretty much installs a sense of well being and alphaness that tends to eliminate any psyche issues about performance and libido. Also - in order to have higher T-Levels you pretty much need to be in shape - so the physical component of erectile function is addressed there. Last of course - the hormonal component is covered with the high-T.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HondaV65 View Post
    A lot of people confuse "libido" with ability to fire the rocket up when it's required.

    Libido - has to do with brain issues involving sexual desire and drive. It's separate from erectile functions (though it definitely makes things much easier to have a high libido).

    Most ED drugs address bloodflow - they make erections easier by vastly improving blood flow. I don't think these are bad meds and might one day be sold OTC. There's evidence that the increased blood flow benefits other areas of the body. Viagra was initially studied as a medication for heart disease patients when this really, really, really cool "side effect" "popped up" - pun intended.

    There are plenty of guys with low T who can get erections.

    ED is MORE complicated than T-Level. You have psyche issues involved, you have hormonal issues involved, and you have physical issues involved.

    Now - having said all that - having screaming high T-Levels is like a hammer that overcomes most of the erectile issues. High T pretty much installs a sense of well being and alphaness that tends to eliminate any psyche issues about performance and libido. Also - in order to have higher T-Levels you pretty much need to be in shape - so the physical component of erectile function is addressed there. Last of course - the hormonal component is covered with the high-T.
    That is all really true, and good info. I just want to add that anecdotally, people on cycle at doses over 1 gram of testosterone a week often see libido start to go down. Not necessarily below baseline, but lower than cycling in the 500mg-1g a week range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    That is all really true, and good info. I just want to add that anecdotally, people on cycle at doses over 1 gram of testosterone a week often see libido start to go down. Not necessarily below baseline, but lower than cycling in the 500mg-1g a week range.
    Yes thanks for pointing that out! When I say screaming high T-Levels I'm really talking about the levels I had naturally at 16 years of age. Back then - I used to stop off at my 70 year old aunt's house on the way to school. She would give me a cup of coffee and some conversation. But, while sitting there - for totally inexplicable reasons - the purple helmeted soldier would awaken with a vengeance - and I couldn't understand why as nothing even remotely sexual was happening.

    But I guess it was morning - and being 16 ...
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    Very high test for a long time can also = anorgasmia, or inability to orgasm easily, even if libido is high. Still unsure what causes this. I'm guessing prostate enlargement and/or dopamine receptor downregulation possibly as the main factors.
  

  
 

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