Protein misconceptions

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  1. Protein misconceptions


    For people that think they need alot of protein from alot of animal sources think again. I have been experimenting with a new way to see if I was ability to build muscle with a different form of a diet unlike anything I thought I would ever think would work.

    I usually run people on a higher fat diet for a few months to help rebuild their cell membranes to proper ratio then start to transition them to a more. traditional diet that is more realistic and balanced. I think protein is so over rated I am taking 100 -120 grams of protein, but its from a highly biological source so it ultized by the body much more efficiently then other harsh proteins. I am starting to make this change to alot of my clients and results are surprising thinking that they need all this protein 300 grams a day at 200 lbs. People are getting just as strong and leaner plus reducing stress on organs with more biological protein sources so they are decreasing their chances of disease plus keeping extremly alkaline in the process. To verify this I have them do a black microscope to check for virus and follwoing my suggestions for 2 months they follow up. The results have been decreased bacteria, fungus, mold, and decrease in mutated cells which where there pervioisly identified. There were also change in skin texture, over all glow, decreased anxitey, much more energy, better digestion

    my diet is about 120--140 grams of biological sources of protein , 120 net grams of carbs -30 grams of fiber from 150 grams
    fats are about 120 grams (50% saturated 25% mono 25% poly ). I eat alot of foods high in chlorophyll and sprouted nuts, seeds,
    If my cholesterol is below 125 I will add cholesterol pills to increase it top optimal level.

    I'm 195-200 lean and benchin close to 400 stiff leg dead lifts 500lbs for 6-8 reps, squating 365 for 20 reps, bent over rows 315 for reps so I am living proof one can build muscle and get stronger on this type of lifestyle. It actually reduces ones food bill by close to 40% plus benefits outweight the risks.
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    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.


  2. good info matrix. i also find i dont need alot of protein to make strength/mass gains. im 6'3 255 and generally get around 100-150g protein/day and im fine.
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  3. Could you give a more specific breakdown of exactly what you eat?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by spinn View Post
    Could you give a more specific breakdown of exactly what you eat?
    I eat pretty much 70% live food non cooked, presproutred seeds,nuts, raw
    butters, ghee


    no gluten or wheat
    very few grains unless presprouted or live
    yam, red potatoes, organic rice cakes.
    Good fats in proper ratio
    red meat cook as raw as you can get it
    organic raw eggs washed with warm water
    no dairy (butter, goat. sheep,kefir, not included)
    alot of greens especially sea vegetables high in chlorophyll, colorful vegetables
    vegetarian chilli - one serving 3 times a week
    no protein shakes all solid food. (may include organic goat whey soon)
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    I eat pretty much 70% live food non cooked, presproutred seeds,nuts, raw
    butters, ghee


    no gluten or wheat
    very few grains unless presprouted or live
    yam, red potatoes, organic rice cakes.
    Good fats in proper ratio
    red meat cook as raw as you can get it
    organic raw eggs washed with warm water
    no dairy (butter, goat. sheep,kefir, not included)
    alot of greens especially sea vegetables high in chlorophyll, colorful vegetables
    vegetarian chilli - one serving 3 times a week
    no protein shakes all solid food. (may include organic goat whey soon)

    This a nice diet you got their.

    Mine is like this:

    No wheat, gluten, dairy or soy.

    I use sheeps milk and sheeps milk yogort.
    Organic butter and extra virgin coconut oil butter.
    Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Flaxseed oil and Flax meal
    Almond Meal
    Pumpkins, rice, potatoes, yams.
    Quinoa, avocados. Rice cereal, rice milk. Or whole almond milk if i can find it.
    Lamb + Chicken most of the time, beef also.
    Vegetables - eggplant, broccoli, red peppers, sundried tomatoes, spinach, kale, and green leaft vegetables
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by MetalMX View Post
    This a nice diet you got their.

    Mine is like this:

    No wheat, gluten, dairy or soy.

    I use sheeps milk and sheeps milk yogort.
    Organic butter and extra virgin coconut oil butter.
    Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Flaxseed oil and Flax meal
    Almond Meal
    Pumpkins, rice, potatoes, yams.
    Quinoa, avocados. Rice cereal, rice milk. Or whole almond milk if i can find it.
    Lamb + Chicken most of the time, beef also.
    Vegetables - eggplant, broccoli, red peppers, sundried tomatoes, spinach, kale, and green leaft vegetables
    Dump Flaxseed oil switch to coldpressed olive oil,hempseed oil, pumpseed butter, red potatoes not white
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  7. Although i constantly have sugar cravings which i cannot beat.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by MetalMX View Post
    Although i constantly have sugar cravings which i cannot beat.
    Common in chrommium , manganese, candida, and low blood sugar symptoms.

    right now we can not do anything until clincal tests are completed, but sitting on the computer all day does will cause a build up of blood glucose and you will not burn it off so insulin gets released and the cycle continues.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Common in chrommium , manganese, candida, and low blood sugar symptoms.

    right now we can not do anything until clincal tests are completed, but sitting on the computer all day does will cause a build up of blood glucose and you will not burn it off so insulin gets released and the cycle continues.
    Although they have been drastically reduced since ive supplemented with chromium, manganese and been on nilstat for the past 2 to 3 months i have to say. And i do exercise whenever i dont feel sick/ill i love exercise... Tennis, basketball and the gym

  10. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    If my cholesterol is below 125 I will add cholesterol pills to increase it top optimal level.
    Do you have more info about these? Never heard of them, it's something I definitely need..Do you take them with oxbile?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Do you have more info about these? Never heard of them, it's something I definitely need..Do you take them with oxbile?
    Oxbile does not work with me i take 200 mgs a meal with bet hcl
    My body burns cholesterol like no tommorrow possible an indication of some kind of tissue damage (leaky gut possible) since cholesterol is needed for tissue repair and stress hormones.

    cholesterol pills are available only to dr's or health consultants like myself.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  12. What kind of dr's can give these out? I have a hard time raising my cholesterol above 125, it's always below, and my dr thinks low cholesterol is a good thing.

  13. Can you provide an example of your daily intake?

    does protein shake too bad? can we eat oats?

    here is my daily intake:

    Breakfast at 8am:
    1g of Omega 3
    Glucosamine/chondroitin
    Liver detox from Now
    Rhodiola
    Beta alanine
    Ginger
    Vitamins
    20g protein shake (Syntha-6 + elite Whey)
    3 organic eggs
    50 g of oats with milk
    orange juice
    2 pieces of complete bread

    Collation at 11AM
    2 bananas
    25g Protein shake (Syntha-6)

    Pre-Workout at 12AM:
    Xtend + virtago

    Post-Workout at 1PM
    150g of Light apple compote with 8 gr of glutamine and 8gr of BCAA
    20g protein shake (Syntha-6 + elite Whey)

    Lunch at 1:30 PM at the canteen of my company
    Mainly salad with olive oil + tomatoes + celeri + carotes
    Vegetables and sometimes read meat if not too bad
    Yoghurt


    Collation at 4:30PM
    25g Protein shake (Syntha-6)
    2 Kiwis

    Diner at 7PM
    Chicken
    Salad with olive oil, mustard, vinegar, garlic
    Yoghurt

    What do you think?

  14. Are you guys on these diets for health reasons or because they benefit mass gains? Just curious. I am interested in getting into decent shape and building muscle but I just can't give up the food I love (I can do without fried foods and sugar fine I just have to have meat).

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Mikey851 View Post
    Are you guys on these diets for health reasons or because they benefit mass gains? Just curious. I am interested in getting into decent shape and building muscle but I just can't give up the food I love (I can do without fried foods and sugar fine I just have to have meat).
    Why would anyone ever want to give up meat? Especially when trying to gain mass?

  16. Remember that hypocholestemia can be just as bad as hypercholestemia. With a number that low, chances are your HDL are very low (a risk factor for CVD). To increase this, eat fatty fish and beef.

    Also, your statement of biological protein is a misnomer; all protein is from biological sources. Most of the above benefits are due to the fact that you are focusing on keeping the blood pH alkalinic and also that most people have a mild food allergy to grains.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  17. you tell me that eating 2 TBSP of EVCCO with 1 TBSP butter, with 4 whole eggs, and occasion 4 ozs a beef a day will not raise cholesterol something else is at play here.
    My suspicion is that it is leaky gut or I burn up cholesterol too fast. BTW fish oils are poison to my body ..My body is very paradoxal to the average person, but I am finding out there are more people like me out there. More cholesterol I eat the lower it gets. More fish oils i take the sicker I become. My cells are low in sat and high in fish oils and I never eat fish.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Why would anyone ever want to give up meat? Especially when trying to gain mass?
    I don't know; I couldn't do it. I just love meat too much.

  19. Yeah no doubt, cutting out animal protein/fat is a good way to make your test levels drop...even on a cut it's bad to cut them out.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Yeah no doubt, cutting out animal protein/fat is a good way to make your test levels drop...even on a cut it's bad to cut them out.
    Has any one figured that malabsorption is one the biggest factor involved in hormone imbalances ? IF you can not absorp fat and protein you can not make cholesterol or other hormones.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  21. Roughly, how many calories per day do you consume?
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  22. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Has any one figured that malabsorption is one the biggest factor involved in hormone imbalances ? IF you can not absorp fat and protein you can not make cholesterol or other hormones.
    Yeah I've almost tripled my intake of enzymes and betain, and since doing this I've really noticed that hcg is working for me. Looking forward to my new test results, have to wait a couple weeks though.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    you tell me that eating 2 TBSP of EVCCO with 1 TBSP butter, with 4 whole eggs, and occasion 4 ozs a beef a day will not raise cholesterol something else is at play here.
    Yeah that's what I do. I take 4 TBSP of extra virgin coconut oil, eat maybe 4-8 whole eggs per day, and chicken everyday. I eat beef maybe 2-3 times per week. I eat cheese 2-3 times per week (old/sharp cheese - no lactose). No dairy, but I am taking in casein shakes maybe twice per day. I also occassionally eat pork. Maybe 3-4 x per week. Bacon is great. Currently taking in 12grams of fishoil per day, evoo, avocado oil, sesamin, CLA, and sesame oil for flavouring. I feel good on this diet (ckd)...and hopefully it's causing my cholesterol to raise. It used to be really low (110)

    edit: where do you shop for most of this food in the initial post? I agree, it would be awesome to eat this way (but eggs, goat milk/cheese/butter is still animal fat =D )...but I haven't seen a lot of this food around too often (like the sprouted protein sources, etc). There's gotta be some places in NYC that have this stuff, maybe have to travel farther to get it which is why I've never seen a lot of it. Whole Foods and Trader Joe's has a lot of good stuff though... that's where I usually shop... But it's PREMIUM prices for ANY organic foods, especially the non-mass produced stuff.

  24. Btw, someone in another country told me that eating beef and pork are bad for us, because they are the two protein sources that are most similar to human protein. I laughed at them, but is this true? Didn't make sense to me, since we thrive off mother's milk when young (which is essentially a protein produced by humans), and goats milk is also the closest thing to mother's milk and known to be really healthy.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Btw, someone in another country told me that eating beef and pork are bad for us, because they are the two protein sources that are most similar to human protein. I laughed at them, but is this true? Didn't make sense to me, since we thrive off mother's milk when young (which is essentially a protein produced by humans), and goats milk is also the closest thing to mother's milk and known to be really healthy.
    About 1400-1700 depending because of health condition does not allow me to have a great appetite (low thyroid and b-12) despite injections and supplementation. But I still can out sqaut bench and dead lift majority of people out there

    dead lift 550 stiff legged x6
    bench 405
    squat 455 for 8
    dumbell shoulder press 130lbs for 6-8 reps
    dumbell curl 80's x 8 reps
    leg press 28-30 plates for 8 reps

    body weight
    190 5'9

    if was able to eat right and more calories i be

    squating 700 plus
    dead 750 plus
    benching 550


    nick name "freak"
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    About 1400-1700 depending because of health condition does not allow me to have a great appetite (low thyroid and b-12) despite injections and supplementation. But I still can out sqaut bench and dead lift majority of people out there

    dead lift 550 stiff legged x6
    bench 405
    squat 455 for 8
    dumbell shoulder press 130lbs for 6-8 reps
    dumbell curl 80's x 8 reps
    leg press 28-30 plates for 8 reps

    body weight
    190 5'9

    if was able to eat right and more calories i be

    squating 700 plus
    dead 750 plus
    benching 550


    nick name "freak"
    great numbers man.

    If i could move that weight, my avi would have vids of those numbers instead of my 68 bucket.

    hint,hint.


    :dl:

  27. Any input on this? I wouldn't know where to look for some of these things

    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post

    edit: where do you shop for most of this food in the initial post?
    Btw, those are great numbers for the # of calories you consume. wow

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Btw, someone in another country told me that eating beef and pork are bad for us, because they are the two protein sources that are most similar to human protein. I laughed at them, but is this true? Didn't make sense to me, since we thrive off mother's milk when young (which is essentially a protein produced by humans), and goats milk is also the closest thing to mother's milk and known to be really healthy.
    I don't think you need red meat to maintain good testosterone levels. Where did you read that? We don't need cow or mother's milk after two either. I was born in 1958. My pediatrician told my mother to take me off of milk at age two. I grew up on a diet of mostly fruits and vegetables. We ate red meat once a week. My main sources for protein were fish eggs and some poultry. At the age of 15 I played JV QB at 6'2.5 212lbs. I later decided to focus on tennis. When I was 16 I played the Pepsi International Challenge in Johannesburg SA. I was 6'3" 200 lbs (very lean), and served over 130mph with a wood racket. I don't think my diet hurt me.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    About 1400-1700 depending because of health condition does not allow me to have a great appetite (low thyroid and b-12) despite injections and supplementation. But I still can out sqaut bench and dead lift majority of people out there

    dead lift 550 stiff legged x6
    bench 405
    squat 455 for 8
    dumbell shoulder press 130lbs for 6-8 reps
    dumbell curl 80's x 8 reps
    leg press 28-30 plates for 8 reps

    body weight
    190 5'9

    if was able to eat right and more calories i be

    squating 700 plus
    dead 750 plus
    benching 550


    nick name "freak"
    Your number are great! A 750 lb dead lift would probably be the world record for your weight class.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf View Post
    I don't think you need red meat to maintain good testosterone levels. Where did you read that? We don't need cow or mother's milk after two either. I was born in 1958. My pediatrician told my mother to take me off of milk at age two. I grew up on a diet of mostly fruits and vegetables. We ate red meat once a week. My main sources for protein were fish eggs and some poultry. At the age of 15 I played JV QB at 6'2.5 212lbs. I later decided to focus on tennis. When I was 16 I played the Pepsi International Challenge in Johannesburg SA. I was 6'3" 200 lbs (very lean), and served over 130mph with a wood racket. I don't think my diet hurt me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Yeah no doubt, cutting out animal protein/fat is a good way to make your test levels drop...even on a cut it's bad to cut them out.

    I was saying that we need animal fat. Saturated fat is what creates testosterone, and the only good non-animal source that I know of is coconut oil. Imo coconut oil is good to supplement your diet, but animal meat has many more nutrients and should also be part of your diet. Red meat also has many other benefits. I mean, if you have a medical condition where maybe you shouldn't be eating red meat, then don't eat it....but for otherwise healthy people - it is very nutritious and packed full of goodness.

    I'm not saying we need mothers milk either, maybe the question was misunderstood. I was asking why beef/pork/goats milk/or even mothers milk would be bad for humans at any point, simple because they are more similar to us than other protein sources. I don't understand this concept that my friend told me of...there was nothing to back up the statement either...but maybe someone here knows?

    I was vegetarian for maybe 5-6 years, I started to eat meat again because I felt like complete $hit. (I was completely vegan for several years and then began to introduce eggs/butter/milk for a couple more years because I wasn't feeling good, but this didn't help - so I completely reverted) I honestly think it played a large role in my own hormonal issues since I did it from age 18-24. I thought I was eating healthy too at the time. Cooked all my meals and shopped at the organic shops, ate a lot of non-cooked meals as well. All sorts of protein sources. I was meticulous about it most of the time. IMO it's not for everyone. Everyone is different. We all have different biology/dna/etc.
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