An apology.

[Dogsoldier]

I guess I crossed the line with my post about crashing my Test. Please let me apologize and say, this was not done out of a desire to get some legal "gear". It was a result of about a year and a half of fustrations. At any rate, Jayhawkk points taken and a lesson learned.

 

[JanSz]

I guess I crossed the line with my post about crashing my Test.
Please let me apologize and say, this was not done out of a desire to get some legal "gear".
It was a result of about a year and a half of fustrations.
At any rate, Jayhawkk points taken and a lesson learned.

There is many people frustrated by actions of their doctors.
I am one of them, I understand your frustration.

Sometimes you can get doctor who will write a script for any blood testing you may come up with.
Do not think about changing your results, usually everyones blood test show enough problems, one just have to understand the blood test and know how to interpret it.

See if you can do list that I have on my post #44

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jan-s-bloodtest-2.html

Doing one big test once have couple advantages.
First, it taxes doctor's good will only once, may be a very big factor.
If you have insurance, that list cost $6 (and a lots of your blood), that is what I pay for it, $6.

If you can get a hand on that list, we may get into more details latter.
You would print that list, leaving space on top of page.
Your doc's office worker would xerox that list inserting his office stationary on top of the list.
Doc signs it, 30seconds and you are out of his office.
Next step, Quest Diagnostic blood drawing center.

List have to have ICD-9 codes included, that is what makes insurance pay the bill.
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[jon671]

I feel you man I am in the same position, hopefully we can figure out our problems. Just keep posting so we can all benefit. Good Luck.

 

[firefighter2032]

Dog,

I understand your frustration. I had a couple years of a slow decline until I finally bottomed out. My doc wanted to put me on anti-depressants but I talked her into running my blood. I went to see an Endo after that and my hatred of MD's grew larger. I finally went and saw Dr. Crisler and I'm feeling much better but it was a 7 month battle with docs and my wife before getting them agree to let me see a specialist of my chosing. Don't lose hope

 

[Dogsoldier]

Thanks for the encouagement. I know this may be a long fight. But I will keep plugging away at it. Every no is just another thing to get past.

 

[spinn]

Thanks for the encouagement. I know this may be a long fight. But I will keep plugging away at it. Every no is just another thing to get past.

I would not look at it as a fight.....

You will be amazed how easy this all is once your metabolism normalizes.

Your mind will quickly adjust to normal because right now, it perceives abnormal as normal.

A few short months will change that.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

Dog,
I finally went and saw Dr. Crisler and I'm feeling much better but it was a 7 month battle with docs and my wife before getting them agree to let me see a specialist of my chosing.

What was the problem with your wife? Was she taking the typical female approach to hormones- that they cause cancer, etc? or what?

 

[firefighter2032]

No nothing like that with my wife...she just didn't understand why I should go and pay to see a doctor when I have good health insurance. That and she had the idea that anyone on Test was on steroids. She's good with it now that she understands it better and I'm not as cranky and easier to live with.

 

[Dogsoldier]

My wife is in my corner on this because of the lethargy and moodiness, so that will be no issue on the home front. Thankfully.

FWIW, I was referred to the endo. This guy pre-screen people before setting an actual appointment. From what I have gathered, he is the king of endocrinologists in this area. And as such extremely busy. So I had to drop off my past two blood work reports, provide a written statement of my symptoms and observations. Did that the endo doc's assistant called and said he wanted more blood work. I got the orders in the mail today. It is the big three, IGF-1, Free Test and LH. Once he sees these, he will decide if he will see me or not.

Wish me luck.

 

[firefighter2032]

Make sure and keep us updated

 

[JanSz]

My wife is in my corner on this because of the lethargy and moodiness, so that will be no issue on the home front. Thankfully.

FWIW, I was referred to the endo. This guy pre-screen people before setting an actual appointment. From what I have gathered, he is the king of endocrinologists in this area. And as such extremely busy. So I had to drop off my past two blood work reports, provide a written statement of my symptoms and observations. Did that the endo doc's assistant called and said he wanted more blood work. I got the orders in the mail today. It is the big three, IGF-1, Free Test and LH. Once he sees these, he will decide if he will see me or not.

Wish me luck.

FreeT is a red flag.
Watch out.
All FreeT tests are (basically) wrong.
To get FreeT you have a two choices,

best choice, get tested at Quest Diagnostic and ask for this test:
Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS)

http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scripts/webdos.wls?MGWLPN=QDCIAP20&wlapp=DOS&OrderCode=14966X&SITE=4&SearchString=BIOAVAIL&tmradio=title

Or
get from one blood draw TT, SHBG, Albumin
and calculate FreeT yourself using chart or calculator.

If you can get that test from Quest Diagnostics, draw blood there also, plus, on that test, there is also BAT that is the real McCoy in the world of testosterone.

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[Dogsoldier]

FreeT is a red flag.
Watch out.
All FreeT tests are (basically) wrong.
To get FreeT you have a two choices,

best choice, get tested at Quest Diagnostic and ask for this test:
Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS)

http://cas2.questdiagnostics.com/scripts/webdos.wls?MGWLPN=QDCIAP20&wlapp=DOS&OrderCode=14966X&SITE=4&SearchString=BIOAVAIL&tmradio=title

Or
get from one blood draw TT, SHBG, Albumin
and calculate FreeT yourself using chart or calculator.

If you can get that test from Quest Diagnostics, draw blood there also, plus, on that test, there is also BAT that is the real McCoy in the world of testosterone.

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Thank you. Unfortunately, the ball is in the endo's court now. I also believe in being my own activist when it comes to health matters. But the system is so hide bound, that at least in the beginning, I will need to play by his rules and hope he "sees" something worth granting me a visit. I did have a talk with the wife and if this falls through, she agreed that I should look for someone on my own. The biggest concern is my weight gains. I am 6' and a naturally large framed guy. If I go over 1800 calories a day (and I eat clean), I start putting on fat. That my Friends is a very scary proposition.

 

[JanSz]

Thank you. Unfortunately, the ball is in the endo's court now. I also believe in being my own activist when it comes to health matters. But the system is so hide bound, that at least in the beginning, I will need to play by his rules and hope he "sees" something worth granting me a visit. I did have a talk with the wife and if this falls through, she agreed that I should look for someone on my own. The biggest concern is my weight gains. I am 6' and a naturally large framed guy. If I go over 1800 calories a day (and I eat clean), I start putting on fat. That my Friends is a very scary proposition.

Do not get scared easy.
Read Bible, 40 days no food.

But do not spend time meditaing, work hard instead.

 

[B5150]

Read Bible, 40 days no food.

Interesting. Best 40 days of my life. A transformed man.