Ultimate IGF-1lr3 Beginner's Guide by PapaPumpSD!!

[thelix]

First off....great post Papa !

Quick questions...Is it mandatory to use 0.6% AA to reconstitute IGF-1 LR3 or can we only use bacteriostatic water same way we do with GH ?

[Rhyno]

First off....great post Papa !

Quick questions...Is it mandatory to use 0.6% AA to reconstitute IGF-1 LR3 or can we only use bacteriostatic water same way we do with GH ?

Igf-1 lr3 in .6% AA is stable for a year and then degrades slowly from there. IIRC, if it is reconstituted in BW it is only stable for a few days. If you are going to use it all in the following 2-3 days then you're good, but for the purpose of longevity, the AA is a must.

[nosnmiveins]

a couple of questions:

for a peptide noob, what is a good dose? how frequent are injections? and does the reconstituted IGF need to be refridgerated?

sorry if these have been answered, i may have missed it.

[Rhyno]

a couple of questions:

for a peptide noob, what is a good dose? how frequent are injections? and does the reconstituted IGF need to be refridgerated?

sorry if these have been answered, i may have missed it.

The first page of Grunt's IGF-1 will answer the first three questions. If you are using it for nutritient partitioning, the usual dose is 5-10 mics in the morning so it would be one sub-q inject daily (you use a slin pin so they are a slouch). After reconstitution it does not need to be refridgerated (props to Redwolf for that answer). As for use in PCT, since I have not yet dabbled in such fun, I can't make any reccommendations. IIRC, Distilled Water has much experience using Igf-1 in a pct protocol so maybe he, or someone with similar experience could chime in.

[joeymutz]

I'm using igf 1lr3 right now at 20mcg bi lateral each workout day hitting tri's Monday, bi's Tuesday, shoulders Thursday, calves Friday. Mine is reconstituted in .6% acetic acid which does not need to be refrigerated and is good for a year. I've been doing this for 2 weeks so far. I think for a good way to maintain muscle mass during PCT would to be to dose 10-20mcg everyday for a couple months. I'm not 100% sure on this but there are a million threads on this subject so search through this part of the forum and you will find your answer. Look for grunts protocols or datbtrues' protocol

[nosnmiveins]

I'm using igf 1lr3 right now at 20mcg bi lateral

so 10mcg x2 for 20mcg total injected per workout day?

[joeymutz]

nope 20mcgx2 so 40mcg total

[nosnmiveins]

nope 20mcgx2 so 40mcg total

ok thats what i figured.

how is the 4x week treating u? any gains/sides?

i would probably run 40mcg 5x a week for 5 weeks.

[joeymutz]

well i've only been on for 2 weeks so not really noticing too much besides the pumps i'm getting.

"i would probably run 40mcg 5x a week for 5 weeks."

why would i do that any research to back that up? I've never seen any protocol like that.

if i run it 4 times a week my receptors aren't getting overloaded and i can run it this way for 8 weeks. I'll take about a month off then run 10-20mcg ed for about 2 months after that.

you have to remember this stuff makes 1 cell into 2 and that new cell needs to mature so gains aren't going to happen quickly. I'm on AAS right now so I'm hoping to see synergy between the two. I am slowly leaning out though which is good.

[nosnmiveins]

"i would probably run 40mcg 5x a week for 5 weeks."

why would i do that any research to back that up? I've never seen any protocol like that.

figured that that would be the most effective way to use up 1mg and not saturate receptors too badly.

im def a total noob when it comes to peptides. im slowly learning more and more

[joeymutz]

yeah i'm a noob at this too, this is my first cycle. By doing it 4x a week i should be able to run it for 8 weeks without saturation.

[Rhyno]

yeah i'm a noob at this too, this is my first cycle. By doing it 4x a week i should be able to run it for 8 weeks without saturation.

I've ran a few cycles of peptides myself but I would still consider myself a noob as well.

Anyways, I'm pretty sure the time to reach receptor saturation is 4 weeks. After that you'll see diminishing returns. Given the cost of the peptide idk if this is the best idea; but then again, it is your choice. If you have material that says otherwise, I would definately like to see it. I'm always on the lookout for more research material.

Theoretically, you can use peg-mgf to upregulate the igf-1 receptors allowing you to extend your cycle. However, according to research exogenous mgf doesn't quite work like it's endongenous counterpart and I'm not sure how this will work out in a real-world situation.

[joeymutz]

if you used it everyday then yes 4 weeks would be max it you don't use it everyday and and you use it 4x per week like i am then you can run it up to 8 weeks. Read through datbtrues threads and you will see what I'm talking about.

[Rhyno]

I haven't read Datbrute's info on igf-1 but his threads on gh secregogues are gold. I'll give them a read.

EDIT: Upon futher research it seems that you are correct. Thanks for the clarification. Reps.

[nosnmiveins]

if you used it everyday then yes 4 weeks would be max it you don't use it everyday and and you use it 4x per week like i am then you can run it up to 8 weeks. Read through datbtrues threads and you will see what I'm talking about.

hmm, i wonder if 5x a week would make much of a difference in the length it can be run. the only reason i ask is because id like to inject on workout days which is 5 days a week. or possibly not inject on leg day?...hmm got some thinking to do.

joey, what bodyparts do u inject?

[joeymutz]

i do bi's, tri's, shoulders, and calves. i'm almost out i have maybe 1 week left. i guess i may have been shooting 30mcg instead of 2omcg no big deal. I ordered some peglated mgf and i will be starting that once the IGF-1lr3 run is over. still deciding on my protocol for the pegmgf i'm thinking 500mcg Sunday and Thursday sub q. maybe 750mcg i'm not a big guy so 500mcg should hopefully be enough.

I've never seen so much conflicting information on peptides before. I guess since there new theres not a lot of research. Datbtrue and grunt are the most knowledgeable but they don't post much here anymore as it seems they feel under appreciated which i concur with.

Professional muscle has datbtrue on there and he is an active user there

[ex-tightend83]

I'm def interested...especially for/with PCT, as I have a week left on my ProMagnon/Epistane cycle and would like to try the IGF-1lr3 as part of my PCT protocol. I just wonder how much I'd need at my size. I need to re-read this as some of this is a little confusing. I've never injected anything or used any peptides before, but what the hell. As papa said, gotta pay the cost to be the boss.

[ex-tightend83]

Question (hope it's not too stupid): A friend of mine gave me a box of 28 gauge x 1/2 (12.7 mm) insulin needles. Can I use these or do I have to throw them away?

[joeymutz]

yeah those slin pins are fine.

[ex-tightend83]

yeah those slin pins are fine.

Sa-WEET!! Thanks, Joey! How much do you think I'd need for my size? And for a four-week, five-days-a-week cycle, how many vials would I need to buy?