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    Quote Originally Posted by skull
    what would you consider a high dose --so I guess the resistance to binding protiens of the LR3 offer no protection from t3
    No, because T3 tends to destroy what IGF-1 has created, it does not directly attack the IGF-1 molecule.

    do any people do anabolic with igf?
    like m1t with igf at the same time
    or test e with igf?

    are resultats better?
    Yep all the time and the results are just about spectacular. Imagine doing a bulking cycle. I mean, an ALL-OUT bulk. You eat everything in sight. You're going to blow up, gain lots and lots of muscle provided you do things right. And you will also gain some fat. Now picture that same bulking cycle, except you put on MORE muscle, and LOSE fat at the same time. That's what IGF-1 can do for you.

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    I'm doing 200mcgs of T4 every morning, plus IGF (40 mcgs 3x's/wk and GH (10 iu's 3x's/wk), and some test.

    Should I lower the T4 or go off completely if it's hurting the IGF results??
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRUNCH
    I'm doing 200mcgs of T4 every morning, plus IGF (40 mcgs 3x's/wk and GH (10 iu's 3x's/wk), and some test.

    Should I lower the T4 or go off completely if it's hurting the IGF results??
    yea they recomend you take t4 with GH or INSULIN but they dont recomend you take t3 with any of them --go figure?--any idea what dose of t3 would be ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skull
    yea they recomend you take t4 with GH or INSULIN but they dont recomend you take t3 with any of them --go figure?--any idea what dose of t3 would be ok?
    T4 but not T3...that is weird.

    Not sure of the T3 dose, no experience with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRUNCH
    I'm doing 200mcgs of T4 every morning, plus IGF (40 mcgs 3x's/wk and GH (10 iu's 3x's/wk), and some test.

    Should I lower the T4 or go off completely if it's hurting the IGF results??
    200 mcg's of T4 is a small dose. More than likely you are OK bro.

    I am using 300mgc's of T4 and 25mcg's of T3 and my pegylated MGF is blowing me up all the same...
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    so I been checkin around [other sites ] and seems that 50-75mcg of t3 is the magic number when using IGF-1LR3 as long as an anabolic is being used.One guy even uses 150mcg if you can believe that. Anavar is a good choice because it raises ATP levels and t3 uses up your ATP to create heat .Also theres some confusion if the t3 will actualy go to the site where you injected the IGF and destroy it.When they talk about t3 eating muscle its mostly got to do with a systemic effect not local.
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    Interesting.. sh*t 25mcg on cycle is good enough for me regardless.

    LR3IGF-1 leans me out anyways, why go overkill with T3? Some people just go bucknutty on the doses with everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
    Interesting.. sh*t 25mcg on cycle is good enough for me regardless.

    LR3IGF-1 leans me out anyways, why go overkill with T3? Some people just go bucknutty on the doses with everything.
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    Grunt, I read where you said that Igf-1 isn't illegal to have, correct? So having it shipped and received shouldn't be a problem. I'm just erring on the side of caution here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach .78
    Grunt, I read where you said that Igf-1 isn't illegal to have, correct? So having it shipped and received shouldn't be a problem. I'm just erring on the side of caution here.
    Yep and you can purchase it with a credit card. You know where. Just tell them Grunt76 sent you.

    It's a research chemical, which means it is legal to possess but not for human use. I *BELIEVE* that human use breaks the terms of sale agreements, which is business, but no criminal law. I am not sure on that last part but really that's getting into some details no one should ever have to deal with to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach .78
    Another forum has a place where it is very affordable "PC of C". Did you see how much they have it for? My dog is getting up in years and I think this would be an exellent addition to his organic food, exercise etc...
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    I have 2ml of AA to mix with 1000mcg of igf
    Do I need to put air in the igf bottle first ?
    Can I use slin pinz to mix aa with igf, cuz my slin pinz are only 30 units ?
    I dont have a 21 gauge needle for mix, anything else to mix it?
    Can u buy only 1 21 gauge needle at the pharmacie?
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    yes.

    I wouldn't, but you could.

    yes you can buy single 3cc syringes with 20g or 21g needles.. or you can get a box of syringes for cheap and just save them for another time you are in this conundrum.
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    ...or you could fill your 30iu slin pin with AA 3 times plus 10 IU and that will amount to one CC of AA in your IGF.

    You can also use the slin pins as vents, just take the plunger out. Discard that syringe afterward.
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    good point regarding the vent Bro.
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    This was posted on another thread but it's also relevant here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    I can tell you one thing: if you get gas after pinning it, you are using too much. One thing we want to avoid is impacting the intestines...
    Grunt - Would this gas be expected to occur immediately after pinning (or on the same day)? Or could gas with on onset 24-48 hours after pinning also be a sign of intestinal effects?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSavage
    This was posted on another thread but it's also relevant here:



    Grunt - Would this gas be expected to occur immediately after pinning (or on the same day)? Or could gas with on onset 24-48 hours after pinning also be a sign of intestinal effects?
    The cases I have heard of occur within 60 minutes of injection, which makes utter sense.
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    I preloaded my igf, but when it was time to pin post-workout, there was air in where the igf was loaded.
    what to do,
    I backloaded BW...
    also is it bad to leave igf in the car?
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    Quote Originally Posted by r1ck
    I preloaded my igf, but when it was time to pin post-workout, there was air in where the igf was loaded.
    what to do,
    I backloaded BW...
    also is it bad to leave igf in the car?
    Well push the air out.

    And it isn't bad if the inside of the car isn't hot.
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    Grunt, one of those anti-aging docs told me there are studies that indicate that both HGH and testosterone supplementation can help with recovery from orthopedic surgery. What do you figure would be the best way to use IGF-LR3 for this? Same doses, 30-40mcg E3D? SubQ or IM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandusky
    Grunt, one of those anti-aging docs told me there are studies that indicate that both HGH and testosterone supplementation can help with recovery from orthopedic surgery. What do you figure would be the best way to use IGF-LR3 for this? Same doses, 30-40mcg E3D? SubQ or IM?
    Depending where the surgery happened, you would want to inject as close as possible to the recently cut tissue. Note that unlike some steroids and GH, IGF-1 will do nothing for ligaments.

    If the surgery was performed near sensitive tissue such as the spinal cord or inside the knee, then you will still want to inject close to the injury - which can be dangerous if we are talking about a disc surgery - and since those tissue are sensitive, then you should prefer to reconstitute your IGF-1 without any AA. You need to get the 100mcg vials and reconstitute with BW. You can pin that inside a joint if you have to. I would not recommend shooting AA inside a joint though even with IGF-1 along with it.

    20-30mcg EOD should be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    The cases I have heard of occur within 60 minutes of injection, which makes utter sense.
    I only do 40mcg's 3x wk and I have the worst gas in my life.

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    Grunt,
    Do you think that the AA or BW reconstituion is better ?
    And, how does sodium chloride fit into that ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by micro
    I only do 40mcg's 3x wk and I have the worst gas in my life.

    Micro
    How big are you? Do you inject immediately postworkout? In the muscle trained? Bilaterally? Do you train hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardgain
    Grunt,
    Do you think that the AA or BW reconstituion is better ?
    And, how does sodium chloride fit into that ?
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    Use only acetic acid for reconstitution. IGF-1 only lasts a few days AT MOST in BW.

    You use either BW or NaCl in the syringe to make more volume for injection and for making it easier to split bilaterally.
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    I did 20 mcgs each bicep after my WO on Sat, my stomach was rumbling like crazy exactly 50 minutes after. It lasts for about 5-6 hours also. Sun, Mon, and today...nothing.

    I never would have made that connection Grunt.
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    [HTML]Use only acetic acid for reconstitution. IGF-1 only lasts a few days AT MOST in BW.

    You use either BW or NaCl in the syringe to make more volume for injection and for making it easier to split bilaterally.[/HTML]

    I used it previously in BW because I was afraid of the damage caused to the muscle tissue by the AA, do you think this is an unfounded concern ?
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    [QUOTE=Grunt76]How big are you? Do you inject immediately postworkout? In the muscle trained? Bilaterally? Do you train hard?

    I'm 37yrs old 6ft 230lbs around 10% bf if I had to guess maybe alittle lower now. I do bilaterally injections in Bi's, Tri's and chest. I'm 2wks in and have gained around 4 to 5 lbs, insane pumps and strength increase and I do work out hard. And I inject about 10mins after workout which is about how long it takes me to get home.



    I've been on gear for the last 6 months now, 10 of those wks have been only 500mg's of TE wk for a bridge. For the last 7wks I've been on TrenE, Sus and EQ.

    Thanks
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