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My take on IGF-1

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    Would a person who suffers from fibromyalgia benefit from the use of igf1lr3. My wife suffers from this and it has dawned upon me while researching a cycle for myself that this may help her to? She has severe pain in her hands and somedays she cant even bend her fingers. If any one can help with an answer to this question it would be greatly appreciated
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    Originally Posted by Data View Post
    Would a person who suffers from fibromyalgia benefit from the use of igf1lr3. My wife suffers from this and it has dawned upon me while researching a cycle for myself that this may help her to? She has severe pain in her hands and somedays she cant even bend her fingers. If any one can help with an answer to this question it would be greatly appreciated
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    Igf is not the answer, no. You want to give her anti-inflammatory's and supplements that aid to quiet the immune system, as this condition is an auto-immune illness.

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    patrick, is gh injected sub-q sufficient to help aid in healing of ligaments etc.

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    Originally Posted by disgraziato View Post
    Igf is not the answer, no. You want to give her anti-inflammatory's and supplements that aid to quiet the immune system, as this condition is an auto-immune illness.
    What if one were to use it to help regrow damaged peripheral nerve tissue (specifically the myelin sheath) after an auto-immune disease is under control? Is that feasible?

    Would one pin the affected areas PWO or just shoot it sub-q when they get up in the morning to let it spread out?

    I was thinking of doing something like 40mcg EOD, but I haven't decided if i'd benefit more from subcutaneous injections or intramuscular.
    Last edited by Eyescream; 12-04-2010 at 08:32 PM. Reason: clarification

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    Originally Posted by Eyescream View Post
    What if one were to use it to help regrow damaged peripheral nerve tissue (specifically the myelin sheath) after an auto-immune disease is under control? Is that feasible?

    Would one pin the affected areas PWO or just shoot it sub-q when they get up in the morning to let it spread out?

    I was thinking of doing something like 40mcg EOD, but I haven't decided if i'd benefit more from subcutaneous injections or intramuscular.
    IMO, the best way to utilize IGF is a series of small dosed shots into the injured area, ie: 20 mcg total split into 4 shots of 5mcg into the injury area.

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    Originally Posted by disgraziato View Post
    IMO, the best way to utilize IGF is a series of small dosed shots into the injured area, ie: 20 mcg total split into 4 shots of 5mcg into the injury area.
    My entire lower body is the injured area, though. How would I go about spot treatment with an injury of this magnitude?

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    Originally Posted by mikelance86 View Post
    patrick, is gh injected sub-q sufficient to help aid in healing of ligaments etc.

    potentially

    it cant hurt

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    Originally Posted by Eyescream View Post
    What if one were to use it to help regrow damaged peripheral nerve tissue (specifically the myelin sheath) after an auto-immune disease is under control? Is that feasible?
    .

    there is a reason why we have research institutions and university labs with qualified scientists. And that is to perform studies to answer such questions.

    Life would be great if magic people on a bodybuilding message board could simply give you the answer. But it doesnt work that way

    So the answer is, nobody knows

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    Originally Posted by Eyescream View Post
    My entire lower body is the injured area, though. How would I go about spot treatment with an injury of this magnitude?
    you need to insert a catheter going into your femoral artery and another one into your femoral vein. tie these into a recirculating device that can oxygenate the blood and where nutrients and the igf-1 can be introduced. good luck

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    Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    there is a reason why we have research institutions and university labs with qualified scientists. And that is to perform studies to answer such questions.

    Life would be great if magic people on a bodybuilding message board could simply give you the answer. But it doesnt work that way

    So the answer is, nobody knows
    I thought it was worth asking if anybody had used it for an injury like this before, is all. I've read a bunch of research on my own.

    Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    you need to insert a catheter going into your femoral artery and another one into your femoral vein. tie these into a recirculating device that can oxygenate the blood and where nutrients and the igf-1 can be introduced. good luck
    Thanks, ****head.

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    Originally Posted by Eyescream View Post
    I thought it was worth asking if anybody had used it for an injury like this before, is all. I've read a bunch of research on my own.



    Thanks, ****head.

    no need for name calling. if i had the answer i would let you know. since i dont i choose to joke around. dont let message boards get you uptight

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    Originally Posted by Eyescream View Post
    My entire lower body is the injured area, though. How would I go about spot treatment with an injury of this magnitude?
    Patrick: Obviously doctors are way behind on most of the substances we research with, and these peptides won't be available to them to prescribe to him.

    Eyescream, I would then recommend either random pinning in the lower muscles or just pin sub-q in the gut. If you have injured nerve tissue, the IGF should find its way there, as injured tissue upregulate IGF/ receptors. IGF has helped a serious injury of mine in the past and has helped many other people I know with various injuries.

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    would a 1/2 inch insulin needle be long enough for IM injection in deltoid of igf-1?

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    Originally Posted by mikelance86 View Post
    would a 1/2 inch insulin needle be long enough for IM injection in deltoid of igf-1?
    Yes

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    Originally Posted by RedwolfWV View Post
    Yes

    if somone has alot of subq fat it might not be though

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    Originally Posted by mikelance86 View Post
    so you dont think igf-1 lr3 injected into delts after surgery can benefit me? I do not want to run anything that is pointless.
    I also have problems with shoulder, with 3 surgeries behind. And I used IGF-1 primarily to heal my cartilage which is badly damaged. So far I had 1 cycle (4 weeks) of IGF, at 60mcg EOD IM in injured delt (no bilateral).

    And it helped great deal. I now have some movements I hadn't had since first surgery and pain is almost completely gone. And the soreness is gone. In few months I'll have another surgery to remove bone spurs, and I will have definite answer if it helped in healing.
    The plus is that I'm even leaner and got some muscles even at 2-3 very light trainings per week.

    Next month I'll go with GH+IGF1.

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    that is what I am doing and it is helping a great deal. Did you use a 1/2 inch slin pin to inject in the injured deltoid? because that is what I am doing (about 30 mcgs 5 days a week)

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    Originally Posted by mikelance86 View Post
    that is what I am doing and it is helping a great deal. Did you use a 1/2 inch slin pin to inject in the injured deltoid? because that is what I am doing (about 30 mcgs 5 days a week)
    Yes I used 1/2 inch slin pin. But next month I'll go with 1.5 inch needle to get inside joint, as close to injured cartilage as possible.

    Have you read all of this thread and considered going EOD? Grunt suggests to go EOD or even E3D with IGF, as ED might down regulate receptors faster.

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    Wow. I hope all this info is the truth. Ive been searching around forums and other med. info. They all seem to contradict each other. But, a friend and pro BB is using it now, just started it about 4 months ago. He's tried it all. And since being on this stuff , his muscle bellies have really filled out. This got him to a whole new level of BB sucess. I cant wait to try it myself. forgot to mention, he is cycling, the norm, hgh, test, ect.but no slin.

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    What I'm understanding is individuals shouldn't do more than 1 cycle if they don't want internal organs to grow ? because everytime you do a cycle new cells will be developed in your internal organs and it takes time for them to grow ?

    I'm a lil confused about that

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