My take on IGF-1

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  1. I want no gut growth at all!!! I mean none. So, would using rhIGF-1 be the best way for me to go?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by joikd
    I want no gut growth at all!!! I mean none. So, would using rhIGF-1 be the best way for me to go?
    I would say no, because at low dosage 20mcg or 30mcg eod e3d you will destroy it in urine if you exceed what u need, your not going to take 100mcg a day of course because ull get the coleman gut of the beast, but ill let grunt ze master answer.


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  3. Quote Originally Posted by joikd
    I want no gut growth at all!!! I mean none. So, would using rhIGF-1 be the best way for me to go?
    Just follow my protocol and you won't get any.

  4. Thanks for your previous response. Another issue on which I require clarification:

    Let's say one is not focusing on a specific lagging muscle but wishes to hit most or all of the muscle groups...

    I'm assuming the receptor downregulation only occurs on the muscle injected. Is this accurate? So if this is the case, then could you avoid downregulation even at 40mcg ED provided that each specific muscle group was only pinned E7D?

    On a related issue, if one were pinning 40mcg ED but only hitting each muscle E7D, would you still recommend limiting to 4 week cycles?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by TeamSavage
    Thanks for your previous response. Another issue on which I require clarification:

    Let's say one is not focusing on a specific lagging muscle but wishes to hit most or all of the muscle groups...

    I'm assuming the receptor downregulation only occurs on the muscle injected. Is this accurate? So if this is the case, then could you avoid downregulation even at 40mcg ED provided that each specific muscle group was only pinned E7D?

    On a related issue, if one were pinning 40mcg ED but only hitting each muscle E7D, would you still recommend limiting to 4 week cycles?
    There seems to be this huge problem with the idea that IGF-1 is both local and systemic. When you inject immediately postworkout in the muscle trained, most of the effect will go to the intended muscle, and there will be some degree of systemic spillover depending on your dosage.

    For this reason, an EOD or E3D protocol is best. That is, not for any given muscle, but for any IGF-1 at all. You may get increased results by pinning the same muscle twice a week, provided you keep to an EOD or E3D pinning scheduled as indicated above.
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  6. It's been awhile since I been here(months). I've been reading up on all of this good info recently. I go and try to give Grunt some reps and I get denied. I have to spread it around before I can give anymore to you G. Good info on the IGF-1.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    What I always do is to load up a syringe with just the needed amount of IGF & AA, then use a small amount of aluminum foil to make a spacer between the end of the plunger and the cylinder to avoid discharging the syringe in transit, and put this and a couple alcohol pads and my BW inside a sunglass case in my gym bag.

    I grab my bag after my workout, go change in the shower or toilet and pin at the same time. Then I get my shake.
    I would like to preload my syringe before going to gym to pin post-workout, but im not quite understanding what you are saying about the discharging, u need foil?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by r1ck
    I would like to preload my syringe before going to gym to pin post-workout, but im not quite understanding what you are saying about the discharging, u need foil?
    When the syringe is preloaded, obviously accidentally pushing on the plunger in transit will push out the precious IGF-1. So I make a spacer between the barrel and the end of the plunger to keep it from being pushed accidentally. Load up a syringe and you will see what I mean.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    When the syringe is preloaded, obviously accidentally pushing on the plunger in transit will push out the precious IGF-1. So I make a spacer between the barrel and the end of the plunger to keep it from being pushed accidentally. Load up a syringe and you will see what I mean.
    ahhhh,
    karma for grunt

  10. One day I didn't use a spacer and realized I had wasted all my precious IGF in my secret compartment pocket.. in my pants.... I was pissed.

    Lesson learned.

  11. I bought some 0.3cc syringe, but the women told me thats it's never going to reach IM cuz the pin is too small? is that true?

    she told me its insulin syringe and they are only for under skin
    im like i know , but i still asked her if they can reach IM, she said no because of the thickness of the skin, I know they will reach my IM in my biceps but im not sure about my pecs since they have more skin and not sure about my shoulders and legs

  12. Quote Originally Posted by r1ck
    I bought some 0.3cc syringe, but the women told me thats it's never going to reach IM cuz the pin is too small? is that true?

    she told me its insulin syringe and they are only for under skin
    im like i know , but i still asked her if they can reach IM, she said no because of the thickness of the skin, I know they will reach my IM in my biceps but im not sure about my pecs since they have more skin and not sure about my shoulders and legs
    a lot of o.3cc syringes automaticaly come with a 5/16" needle but if you look around you can find 1/2"

  13. that woman is a jackass. Unless you're a fat SOB you can hit small amounts of depot IM with 1/2" 29g needles. You picked a good size barrel too..3/10 is the shizzy. Just use 1/2" instead of the 5/16's or whatever they are.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
    that woman is a jackass. Unless you're a fat SOB you can hit small amounts of depot IM with 1/2" 29g needles. You picked a good size barrel too..3/10 is the shizzy. Just use 1/2" instead of the 5/16's or whatever they are.
    Someone should manufacture a slin pin with a 1" needle so fat SOB's can slim down with IGF-1. Maybe even a 2" version for the morbidly obese.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
    that woman is a jackass. Unless you're a fat SOB you can hit small amounts of depot IM with 1/2" 29g needles. You picked a good size barrel too..3/10 is the shizzy. Just use 1/2" instead of the 5/16's or whatever they are.
    rofl im not fat, but my pecs have a little fat on them, if I mesure them with a body fat caliper it's
    pecs 10mm,
    my biceps 1mm lol,
    tricep 7mm
    thigh 8mm
    calf 8mm

    im around 12% BF,
    how much mm is 5/16 ?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by r1ck
    rofl im not fat, but my pecs have a little fat on them, if I mesure them with a body fat caliper it's
    pecs 10mm,
    my biceps 1mm lol,
    tricep 7mm
    thigh 8mm
    calf 8mm

    im around 12% BF,
    how much mm is 5/16 ?
    Try this...
    Inch/Millimeter Converter -- Technical Notes
    (There's a little-known website you can use to find this sort of information. It's called Google.com. Learn it, love it, use it.)

    Remember that the calipers measure the fat layer folded over, so the caliper measurement is actually two layers of fat, twice the thickness of the single fat layer as it normally rests atop the muscle.

    Still, just get a 1/2" pin. The big pharmacy chains sell them for $3/10.

  17. exactly. 1/2" and you're good to go.

  18. what happen if you inject igf into a vein?, do u need to aspirate before injecting like aas?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
    i need to spread some goddamn reps around before I hit you again Grunt.. but just know I love you.
    Ubi-- Pm me bro, I'm not aloud to pm you GOLDY.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    When the syringe is preloaded, obviously accidentally pushing on the plunger in transit will push out the precious IGF-1. So I make a spacer between the barrel and the end of the plunger to keep it from being pushed accidentally. Load up a syringe and you will see what I mean.
    Is this the only reason you don't preload? I've read a few direction on mixing & they say not to preload. Is there other reasons like down regulation of the igf? Or does it destory it after setting this way after awhile?

    I'm talking about mixing it w/ aa then adding the sodium.

    Thanks, G

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Thunder1
    Ubi-- Pm me bro, I'm not aloud to pm you GOLDY.
    I'll PM you over at MMX

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Thunder1
    Is this the only reason you don't preload? I've read a few direction on mixing & they say not to preload. Is there other reasons like down regulation of the igf? Or does it destory it after setting this way after awhile?

    I'm talking about mixing it w/ aa then adding the sodium.

    Thanks, G
    Yep the guys who recommend not preloading are talking about when you add the BW to the syringe when you preload. That's not the best, which is to bring the BW with you and add that to your syringe right before injecting.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by r1ck
    what happen if you inject igf into a vein?, do u need to aspirate before injecting like anabolic steroids?
    ALWAYS aspirate when putting a needle in yourself.

    It isn't harmful in veins but it is far from optimal, as you will obtain no local effect.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    ALWAYS aspirate when putting a needle in yourself.

    It isn't harmful in veins but it is far from optimal, as you will obtain no local effect.
    anyone got any tip on trying to aspirate with one hand --like when you do BIs?[having a bit** of a time]also I notice when you aspirate you draw some air into the syringe then shoot the air back in?----when I shoot lats think Im gone skip aspirate---not many viens their

  25. Quote Originally Posted by skull
    anyone got any tip on trying to aspirate with one hand --like when you do BIs?[having a bit** of a time]also I notice when you aspirate you draw some air into the syringe then shoot the air back in?----when I shoot lats think Im gone skip aspirate---not many viens their
    That's not air, that's empty space. Yep, shoot the empty space in...
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