[Ubiquitous]

Originally Posted by Thunder1

Ubi-- Pm me bro, I'm not aloud to pm you GOLDY.

I'll PM you over at MMX

[Grunt76]

Originally Posted by Thunder1

Is this the only reason you don't preload? I've read a few direction on mixing & they say not to preload. Is there other reasons like down regulation of the igf? Or does it destory it after setting this way after awhile?

I'm talking about mixing it w/ aa then adding the sodium.

Thanks, G

Yep the guys who recommend not preloading are talking about when you add the BW to the syringe when you preload. That's not the best, which is to bring the BW with you and add that to your syringe right before injecting.

[Grunt76]

Originally Posted by r1ck

what happen if you inject igf into a vein?, do u need to aspirate before injecting like anabolic steroids?

ALWAYS aspirate when putting a needle in yourself.

It isn't harmful in veins but it is far from optimal, as you will obtain no local effect.

[skull]

Originally Posted by Grunt76

ALWAYS aspirate when putting a needle in yourself.

It isn't harmful in veins but it is far from optimal, as you will obtain no local effect.

anyone got any tip on trying to aspirate with one hand --like when you do BIs?[having a bit** of a time]also I notice when you aspirate you draw some air into the syringe then shoot the air back in?----when I shoot lats think Im gone skip aspirate---not many viens their

[Grunt76]

Originally Posted by skull

anyone got any tip on trying to aspirate with one hand --like when you do BIs?[having a bit** of a time]also I notice when you aspirate you draw some air into the syringe then shoot the air back in?----when I shoot lats think Im gone skip aspirate---not many viens their

That's not air, that's empty space. Yep, shoot the empty space in...

[Ubiquitous]

Skull, it's a vacuum, at least it is with a slin pin.

You have blood vessels in your lats. I aspirate with anything, no matter what.

Aspirating with one hand.. put a finger on the hilt of the barrel, grasp the plunger in any way feasable, and pull back while exerting force with the finger on the barrel... this keeps the pin relatively stable.. you can get it with practice.

[Grunt76]

Originally Posted by Ubiquitous

Skull, it's a vacuum, at least it is with a slin pin.

You have blood vessels in your lats. I aspirate with anything, no matter what.

Aspirating with one hand.. put a finger on the hilt of the barrel, grasp the plunger in any way feasable, and pull back while exerting force with the finger on the barrel... this keeps the pin relatively stable.. you can get it with practice.

I agree with Mr. Pincushion above.

Plus, you really don't need to pull back hard AT ALL on the plunger. It takes a LOT more force to create a bubble of vacuum in there than to draw blood when you are in a vein. Any little pull on the plunger brings in blood real quick.

[Thunder1]

Originally Posted by Grunt76

Yep the guys who recommend not preloading are talking about when you add the BW to the syringe when you preload. That's not the best, which is to bring the BW with you and add that to your syringe right before injecting.

So It doesn't destroy the igf if people do preload? Just a safety factor. Sorry I'm just going thru a stupid faze.

[Grunt76]

Originally Posted by Thunder1

So It doesn't destroy the igf if people do preload? Just a safety factor. Sorry I'm just going thru a stupid faze.

IGF-1 lasts about 24 hours when exposed to the BA in BW.

[r1ck]

Originally Posted by Grunt76

IGF-1 lasts about 24 hours when exposed to the BA in BW.

so u can preload igf and bw, goto gym, inject post-workout, or its better to load bw right before injecting

[TeamSavage]

Grunt -

What do you think would happen if a person with high BF tried to inject into a certain muscle, but the layer of fat was thicker than the pin and the IGF got injected into the fat layer? Would the IGF/AA solution mostly end up in the nearby muscle? Or would this be equivalent to a SQ injection, mostly missing the nearby muscle and having primarily systemic effects?

[Thunder1]

Originally Posted by Grunt76

IGF-1 lasts about 24 hours when exposed to the BA in BW.

Thank you very much.

[TeamSavage]

Originally Posted by Grunt76

IGF-1 lasts about 24 hours when exposed to the BA in BW.

When you say it lasts about 24 hours, do you mean that it has degraded slightly after 24 hours or that most or all has degraded after 24 hours?

Thanks for taking the time to answer all these questions.

[badbart]

What about the strong assocation between IGF-1 and cancer?

[Ubiquitous]

Originally Posted by r1ck

so u can preload igf and bw, goto gym, inject post-workout, or its better to load bw right before injecting

loading BW or NACL is for wussies.. you don't need it.

AA straight up is fine. There's no necrosis after 7mg diluted at 500mcg/ml for me.

That's right, all of you who load BW or NACL into your pin are wussies, and I'm calling you all out... even my man Thunder and my boytoy Grunt.

[mywetnightmares]

Originally Posted by badbart

What about the strong assocation between IGF-1 and cancer?

IGF tends to cause all tissues to grow so if you have cancer then it will grow faster and if you don't have cancer there's nothing to grow. Think 2X2=4 but 2X0 still equals 0.