My take on IGF-1
- 10-24-2006, 04:21 PM
- 10-24-2006, 06:10 PM
Originally Posted by joikd
10-24-2006, 08:12 PM
10-24-2006, 09:24 PM
Thanks for your previous response. Another issue on which I require clarification:
Let's say one is not focusing on a specific lagging muscle but wishes to hit most or all of the muscle groups...
I'm assuming the receptor downregulation only occurs on the muscle injected. Is this accurate? So if this is the case, then could you avoid downregulation even at 40mcg ED provided that each specific muscle group was only pinned E7D?
On a related issue, if one were pinning 40mcg ED but only hitting each muscle E7D, would you still recommend limiting to 4 week cycles?
10-25-2006, 01:21 AM
There seems to be this huge problem with the idea that IGF-1 is both local and systemic. When you inject immediately postworkout in the muscle trained, most of the effect will go to the intended muscle, and there will be some degree of systemic spillover depending on your dosage.Originally Posted by TeamSavage
For this reason, an EOD or E3D protocol is best. That is, not for any given muscle, but for any IGF-1 at all. You may get increased results by pinning the same muscle twice a week, provided you keep to an EOD or E3D pinning scheduled as indicated above.
10-25-2006, 07:19 AM
It's been awhile since I been here(months). I've been reading up on all of this good info recently. I go and try to give Grunt some reps and I get denied. I have to spread it around before I can give anymore to you G. Good info on the IGF-1.
10-25-2006, 02:48 PM
I would like to preload my syringe before going to gym to pin post-workout, but im not quite understanding what you are saying about the discharging, u need foil?Originally Posted by Grunt76
10-25-2006, 02:52 PM
When the syringe is preloaded, obviously accidentally pushing on the plunger in transit will push out the precious IGF-1. So I make a spacer between the barrel and the end of the plunger to keep it from being pushed accidentally. Load up a syringe and you will see what I mean.Originally Posted by r1ck
10-25-2006, 02:53 PM
10-25-2006, 04:43 PM
One day I didn't use a spacer and realized I had wasted all my precious IGF in my secret compartment pocket.. in my pants.... I was pissed.
10-25-2006, 06:47 PM
I bought some 0.3cc syringe, but the women told me thats it's never going to reach IM cuz the pin is too small? is that true?
she told me its insulin syringe and they are only for under skin
im like i know , but i still asked her if they can reach IM, she said no because of the thickness of the skin, I know they will reach my IM in my biceps but im not sure about my pecs since they have more skin and not sure about my shoulders and legs
10-25-2006, 07:45 PM
a lot of o.3cc syringes automaticaly come with a 5/16" needle but if you look around you can find 1/2"Originally Posted by r1ck
10-25-2006, 07:46 PM
that woman is a jackass. Unless you're a fat SOB you can hit small amounts of depot IM with 1/2" 29g needles. You picked a good size barrel too..3/10 is the shizzy. Just use 1/2" instead of the 5/16's or whatever they are.
10-25-2006, 07:51 PM
Someone should manufacture a slin pin with a 1" needle so fat SOB's can slim down with IGF-1. Maybe even a 2" version for the morbidly obese.Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
10-25-2006, 07:54 PM
rofl im not fat, but my pecs have a little fat on them, if I mesure them with a body fat caliper it'sOriginally Posted by Ubiquitous
my biceps 1mm lol,
im around 12% BF,
how much mm is 5/16 ?
10-25-2006, 08:03 PM
Try this...Originally Posted by r1ck
Inch/Millimeter Converter -- Technical Notes
(There's a little-known website you can use to find this sort of information. It's called Google.com. Learn it, love it, use it.)
Remember that the calipers measure the fat layer folded over, so the caliper measurement is actually two layers of fat, twice the thickness of the single fat layer as it normally rests atop the muscle.
Still, just get a 1/2" pin. The big pharmacy chains sell them for $3/10.
10-25-2006, 08:40 PM
10-25-2006, 09:14 PM
10-25-2006, 10:40 PM
10-25-2006, 10:47 PM
Is this the only reason you don't preload? I've read a few direction on mixing & they say not to preload. Is there other reasons like down regulation of the igf? Or does it destory it after setting this way after awhile?Originally Posted by Grunt76
I'm talking about mixing it w/ aa then adding the sodium.
10-25-2006, 10:53 PM
10-26-2006, 12:53 AM
Yep the guys who recommend not preloading are talking about when you add the BW to the syringe when you preload. That's not the best, which is to bring the BW with you and add that to your syringe right before injecting.Originally Posted by Thunder1
10-26-2006, 12:54 AM
ALWAYS aspirate when putting a needle in yourself.Originally Posted by r1ck
It isn't harmful in veins but it is far from optimal, as you will obtain no local effect.
10-26-2006, 07:44 AM
anyone got any tip on trying to aspirate with one hand --like when you do BIs?[having a bit** of a time]also I notice when you aspirate you draw some air into the syringe then shoot the air back in?----when I shoot lats think Im gone skip aspirate---not many viens theirOriginally Posted by Grunt76
10-26-2006, 12:14 PM
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