My take on IGF-1
- 10-20-2006, 12:14 AM
- 10-20-2006, 01:43 AM
Originally Posted by r1ck
Your MG should last you 75 days, a bit more than 10 weeks.
10-20-2006, 02:21 AM
Nice thread Grunt, lots of good info.
I'm currently doing 3x a week @ 40mcg or 50mcg on leg days.
Didn't know you could stay on all year long dosing this way. But since I do now, that's what I'll do!
10-20-2006, 10:54 AM
10-20-2006, 02:05 PM
Cool, please give some feedback later on, OK? These protocols are fairly new and it will be good to have some ability to assess how well they do over the longer term.Originally Posted by Jaxxx
10-22-2006, 12:50 AM
Will do, already have 4mg in hand, so at my current dosing I'll be good to go for 30 weeks.Originally Posted by Grunt76
10-22-2006, 01:35 AM
7 mgs will last me 525 days at E3D
I'm actually just starting a Monday, Wednesday, Friday rotation with it as I'm combining it with another little helper. It should last longer this way actually. I'll let you know as I ascertain results. I can compare to my past ED protocols, I've ran 7mgs that way as well. 25 on, 25 off.
10-22-2006, 01:40 AM
10-22-2006, 01:44 AM
in theory you can run E3D protocols indefinitely. This very thread is trying to find out what is best. The other standard protocol is 25 days on, 25 off, using up 1mg in 25 days with 40mcg split bilaterally/day.
10-22-2006, 10:42 AM
oh ok, I was wondering, since i workout every 2 days, mabye I should try 30mcg post-workout E2D
monday chest/shoulders/tris - inject tris
wed legs - inject quads
friday - back/bicep - inject bicep
sunday - chest/shoulders/tricep = inject shoulders
total 120mcg for 7 days
very similar to 40mcg E3D
monday - inject
thur - inject
dimanche - inject
total - 120mcg for 7 days
what do u think grunt? or others
10-22-2006, 02:41 PM
Yes that also looks good. Depending on your LBM this might be run indefinitely or you may get slowly diminishing results.Originally Posted by r1ck
How long postworkout are you planning on pinning?
10-22-2006, 02:54 PM
I started training 3 years ago at 128 lbs with 20% bf,Originally Posted by Grunt76
had only 100lbm
Today im 165lbs 12% bf 145 lbm with natural diet/training
I did try a tbol only cycle and stop it after 2 weeks, because I was getting joint pains and hair lines wow
gained around 40lbs of muscle, I have small bones(wrist,ankles), hard to put more, igf1 is my option to try to get to 10% bf and gain mabye a couple of lbm to shape up.
I have 1mg of igf-1, not sure if eod(30mcg) or e3d(40mcg) would be better without any gut increase. I train every 2 days. I might change my workout routine to accommodate e3d igf1.
what do you think, Thanks
p.s. im 24 years old, 25 next summer
10-22-2006, 04:12 PM
Yes those dosages both look good. No need to go higher than that for sure.Originally Posted by r1ck
10-22-2006, 05:00 PM
thanks masterOriginally Posted by Grunt76
I did a search and couldnt find the answer
If I have puffy nips (little gyno) from puberty since im 12 years old
the days ill inject igf1lr3 in my pecs will it aggravate my puffy nips? wondering
10-22-2006, 06:50 PM
No, unless your estrogen is really high to begin with, and that's another matter entirely for sure.Originally Posted by r1ck
10-23-2006, 01:08 PM
should use some armidex .5 ed to stay estrogen lowOriginally Posted by Grunt76
and since I have low lbm should i go stick 20mcg eod instead
10-23-2006, 02:03 PM
Now there is a smart man. Start with 20mcg and run the first half of your mg at that dose if you get some good effects. Then kick it up to 30 if you feel you need more. :bb:Originally Posted by r1ck
10-23-2006, 06:40 PM
Very interesting thread. Perhaps I'm missing something and this is a stupid question, but...
Since Long R3 IGF-1 is localized and binds to the closest receptors first, is it ideal to rotate the point of injection within a single muscle? In other words, if one is injecting pecs, should he just always inject in the center of the pectoral or should he sometimes inject on the upper portion, sometimes on the lower, etc? Thanks.
10-23-2006, 08:09 PM
10-23-2006, 08:22 PM
If I want a systemic effect can I pin sub q. I ask because I worry about intestinal growth, but I'd only be pinning twice/week at 40 mcg or maybe 3 times/week at 30 mcg.
10-23-2006, 08:33 PM
Thanks for the tip. I was just using pecs as an example though. Basically, I'm wondering if just injecting in the center of each muscle (pecs or otherwise) is sufficient and the IGF will be distributed throughout the muscle, or if it's preferable to inject in different areas on each injection to ensure effects are evenly distributed throughout that muscle.Originally Posted by Jaxxx
10-23-2006, 11:03 PM
I had wondered this, and tried different locations per muscle group. It can't hurt. Pecs, I keep one inch inside the nipple and go up from there accordingly. I keep to the thickest part of the pec.Originally Posted by TeamSavage
10-24-2006, 01:16 AM
It is not ONLY localized. It was first designed to be a systemic drug and it will have some degree of systemic effect no matter what we do. Some slight systemic effect should be preferred, as it will help maintain tendons, cartilage, bone, internal organs and most soft tissue in good repair. The rest of the effect we want in the muscle. Too much systemic effec means that some of the LBM we are gaining comes from enlarged abdominal organs. I feel that rotating injection sites within a muscle is no effort at all, so why not.Originally Posted by TeamSavage
Systemic effect is the best way to grow guts. Injecting inside the muscle immediately postworkout ensures that it will primarily affect your muscle. That's what you want.Originally Posted by mywetnightmares
10-24-2006, 03:49 AM
10-24-2006, 02:00 PM
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