My take on IGF-1

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  1. Buying 1MG of LR3-IGF (Lyophilized)
    Doing 40mcg E3D, this would last 8 weeks aprox?
    Would it be a waste of money? or fatloss/gains would be ok?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by r1ck
    Buying 1MG of LR3-IGF (Lyophilized)
    Doing 40mcg E3D, this would last 8 weeks aprox?
    Would it be a waste of money? or fatloss/gains would be ok?
    For sides/results, I feel you will be hard pressed to find a better deal.

    Your MG should last you 75 days, a bit more than 10 weeks.
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  3. Nice thread Grunt, lots of good info.

    I'm currently doing 3x a week @ 40mcg or 50mcg on leg days.

    Didn't know you could stay on all year long dosing this way. But since I do now, that's what I'll do!


  4. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    For sides/results, I feel you will be hard pressed to find a better deal.

    Your MG should last you 75 days, a bit more than 10 weeks.
    Thanks Alot Grunt76, You are the IGF man

    Excellent thread.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Jaxxx
    Nice thread Grunt, lots of good info.

    I'm currently doing 3x a week @ 40mcg or 50mcg on leg days.

    Didn't know you could stay on all year long dosing this way. But since I do now, that's what I'll do!

    Cool, please give some feedback later on, OK? These protocols are fairly new and it will be good to have some ability to assess how well they do over the longer term.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    Cool, please give some feedback later on, OK? These protocols are fairly new and it will be good to have some ability to assess how well they do over the longer term.
    Will do, already have 4mg in hand, so at my current dosing I'll be good to go for 30 weeks.


  7. 7 mgs will last me 525 days at E3D

    I'm actually just starting a Monday, Wednesday, Friday rotation with it as I'm combining it with another little helper. It should last longer this way actually. I'll let you know as I ascertain results. I can compare to my past ED protocols, I've ran 7mgs that way as well. 25 on, 25 off.

  8. best 40mcg E3D day on day off cycle?
    4 weeks? on 4 weeks off?

  9. in theory you can run E3D protocols indefinitely. This very thread is trying to find out what is best. The other standard protocol is 25 days on, 25 off, using up 1mg in 25 days with 40mcg split bilaterally/day.

  10. oh ok, I was wondering, since i workout every 2 days, mabye I should try 30mcg post-workout E2D
    monday chest/shoulders/tris - inject tris
    wed legs - inject quads
    friday - back/bicep - inject bicep
    sunday - chest/shoulders/tricep = inject shoulders
    total 120mcg for 7 days

    very similar to 40mcg E3D
    monday - inject
    thur - inject
    dimanche - inject
    total - 120mcg for 7 days

    what do u think grunt? or others

  11. Quote Originally Posted by r1ck
    oh ok, I was wondering, since i workout every 2 days, mabye I should try 30mcg post-workout E2D
    monday chest/shoulders/tris - inject tris
    wed legs - inject quads
    friday - back/bicep - inject bicep
    sunday - chest/shoulders/tricep = inject shoulders
    total 120mcg for 7 days

    very similar to 40mcg E3D
    monday - inject
    thur - inject
    dimanche - inject
    total - 120mcg for 7 days

    what do u think grunt? or others
    Yes that also looks good. Depending on your LBM this might be run indefinitely or you may get slowly diminishing results.

    How long postworkout are you planning on pinning?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    Yes that also looks good. Depending on your LBM this might be run indefinitely or you may get slowly diminishing results.

    How long postworkout are you planning on pinning?
    I started training 3 years ago at 128 lbs with 20% bf,
    had only 100lbm

    Today im 165lbs 12% bf 145 lbm with natural diet/training
    I did try a tbol only cycle and stop it after 2 weeks, because I was getting joint pains and hair lines wow
    gained around 40lbs of muscle, I have small bones(wrist,ankles), hard to put more, igf1 is my option to try to get to 10% bf and gain mabye a couple of lbm to shape up.

    I have 1mg of igf-1, not sure if eod(30mcg) or e3d(40mcg) would be better without any gut increase. I train every 2 days. I might change my workout routine to accommodate e3d igf1.

    what do you think, Thanks
    Eric

    p.s. im 24 years old, 25 next summer

  13. Quote Originally Posted by r1ck
    I started training 3 years ago at 128 lbs with 20% bf,
    had only 100lbm

    Today im 165lbs 12% bf 145 lbm with natural diet/training
    I did try a tbol only cycle and stop it after 2 weeks, because I was getting joint pains and hair lines wow
    gained around 40lbs of muscle, I have small bones(wrist,ankles), hard to put more, igf1 is my option to try to get to 10% bf and gain mabye a couple of lbm to shape up.

    I have 1mg of igf-1, not sure if eod(30mcg) or e3d(40mcg) would be better without any gut increase. I train every 2 days. I might change my workout routine to accommodate e3d igf1.

    what do you think, Thanks
    Eric

    p.s. im 24 years old, 25 next summer
    Yes those dosages both look good. No need to go higher than that for sure.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    Yes those dosages both look good. No need to go higher than that for sure.
    thanks master

    I did a search and couldnt find the answer

    If I have puffy nips (little gyno) from puberty since im 12 years old
    the days ill inject igf1lr3 in my pecs will it aggravate my puffy nips? wondering

  15. Quote Originally Posted by r1ck
    thanks master

    I did a search and couldnt find the answer

    If I have puffy nips (little gyno) from puberty since im 12 years old
    the days ill inject igf1lr3 in my pecs will it aggravate my puffy nips? wondering
    No, unless your estrogen is really high to begin with, and that's another matter entirely for sure.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    No, unless your estrogen is really high to begin with, and that's another matter entirely for sure.
    should use some armidex .5 ed to stay estrogen low
    with igf1-lr3


    and since I have low lbm should i go stick 20mcg eod instead
    of 30mcg

  17. Quote Originally Posted by r1ck
    should use some armidex .5 ed to stay estrogen low
    with igf1-lr3


    and since I have low lbm should i go stick 20mcg eod instead
    of 30mcg
    Now there is a smart man. Start with 20mcg and run the first half of your mg at that dose if you get some good effects. Then kick it up to 30 if you feel you need more. :bb:

  18. Very interesting thread. Perhaps I'm missing something and this is a stupid question, but...

    Since Long R3 IGF-1 is localized and binds to the closest receptors first, is it ideal to rotate the point of injection within a single muscle? In other words, if one is injecting pecs, should he just always inject in the center of the pectoral or should he sometimes inject on the upper portion, sometimes on the lower, etc? Thanks.

  19. For pecs injecting through the nipples works best.

  20. If I want a systemic effect can I pin sub q. I ask because I worry about intestinal growth, but I'd only be pinning twice/week at 40 mcg or maybe 3 times/week at 30 mcg.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Jaxxx
    For pecs injecting through the nipples works best.
    Thanks for the tip. I was just using pecs as an example though. Basically, I'm wondering if just injecting in the center of each muscle (pecs or otherwise) is sufficient and the IGF will be distributed throughout the muscle, or if it's preferable to inject in different areas on each injection to ensure effects are evenly distributed throughout that muscle.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by TeamSavage
    Thanks for the tip. I was just using pecs as an example though. Basically, I'm wondering if just injecting in the center of each muscle (pecs or otherwise) is sufficient and the IGF will be distributed throughout the muscle, or if it's preferable to inject in different areas on each injection to ensure effects are evenly distributed throughout that muscle.
    I had wondered this, and tried different locations per muscle group. It can't hurt. Pecs, I keep one inch inside the nipple and go up from there accordingly. I keep to the thickest part of the pec.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by TeamSavage
    Very interesting thread. Perhaps I'm missing something and this is a stupid question, but...

    Since Long R3 IGF-1 is localized and binds to the closest receptors first, is it ideal to rotate the point of injection within a single muscle? In other words, if one is injecting pecs, should he just always inject in the center of the pectoral or should he sometimes inject on the upper portion, sometimes on the lower, etc? Thanks.
    It is not ONLY localized. It was first designed to be a systemic drug and it will have some degree of systemic effect no matter what we do. Some slight systemic effect should be preferred, as it will help maintain tendons, cartilage, bone, internal organs and most soft tissue in good repair. The rest of the effect we want in the muscle. Too much systemic effec means that some of the LBM we are gaining comes from enlarged abdominal organs. I feel that rotating injection sites within a muscle is no effort at all, so why not.

    Quote Originally Posted by mywetnightmares
    If I want a systemic effect can I pin sub q. I ask because I worry about intestinal growth, but I'd only be pinning twice/week at 40 mcg or maybe 3 times/week at 30 mcg.
    Systemic effect is the best way to grow guts. Injecting inside the muscle immediately postworkout ensures that it will primarily affect your muscle. That's what you want.

  24. i need to spread some goddamn reps around before I hit you again Grunt.. but just know I love you.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
    i need to spread some goddamn reps around before I hit you again Grunt.. but just know I love you.
    W000h000 Someone loves me!

    OK, I'm putting away the rat poison now...
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