My take on IGF-1
- 09-08-2006, 05:08 PM
- 09-08-2006, 05:57 PM
Grunt one last ?. I assume when using IGF you are at risk of enlarging the heart? Does it have as much receptors as the intestines?
Assuming you are an endurance athlete or simply inject IGF after cardio could you be elevating the risk of enlarging your heart?
Thanks and this is one of the best threads I have read on IGF.
09-09-2006, 12:47 PM
from the studies i have read scientists postulate that myostatin and igf-1 present in cardiac muscle operate on completely separate pathway in comparison to skeletal muscle.
in other words, igf-1 and myostatin inhibition will not have the same effect on cardiac muscle as it does on skeletal muscle.
can you confirm this grunt? i havent seen any difinitive studies, and dont want to give out brotelligence
09-10-2006, 12:17 AM
09-11-2006, 12:35 PM
I cannot confirm this, although I agree there is no evidence of any heart-enlarging effects. For example, Long R3 IGF-1 is used for kids with deficiencies and no heart size monitoring is ever done. Pubmed is at your disposal if you want to look into that aspect of it. I concentrated my studies on enhancing the local effect and lessening the systemic.Originally Posted by jomi822
09-27-2006, 01:20 PM
09-27-2006, 06:46 PM
This whole thread is about Long R3 IGF-1. And no, hIGF-1 isn't more effective.Originally Posted by preston25
09-27-2006, 08:03 PM
Thanks, Ive been using igf-1lr3 for some time now. EOD 25-40mcg with good results. I deffinitly notice that pee has a strange odor during my usage. Have you heard anything like this before?
09-28-2006, 12:53 AM
No. You are probably not human.Originally Posted by preston25
J/K. But I haven't heard of anything like that before...
10-05-2006, 10:13 AM
10-05-2006, 06:48 PM
10-07-2006, 05:10 AM
10-07-2006, 09:13 AM
this might be a huge wastse of money---but if you are willing --would it have any value as a TD?--also Im starting to think the pgf2a I bought wont work?
10-07-2006, 02:12 PM
I don't think there would be any way to make this work as a transdermal.Originally Posted by skull
What's your pgf2a not doing? How are you using it?
10-07-2006, 02:23 PM
well its on its way but its supposed to be the only prod around that you can use as a TD to kill fat cells[ not just shrink]closesed thing to lipo and its also similar to igf as inject [site spec muscle growth]Originally Posted by Grunt76
10-07-2006, 06:06 PM
10-07-2006, 07:59 PM
one thing that didnt make sense--they say its got good potential as a TD fat burner---but not so good as TD spot [site spec]muscle builder---now if I put it on an area that has thin skin[no fat] like biceps--why would it not work?Originally Posted by Grunt76
10-07-2006, 08:28 PM
hey grunt you seem very knowlegable about this [pgf2a] and [igf-1]how do they compare ,I know they can be stacked--any personal ex?
10-08-2006, 12:21 AM
10-09-2006, 04:48 PM
Originally Posted by Grunt76
Virgin Cycle.... HGH alone? Igf-Lr3 alone? Mgf alone? HGH/IGFlr3? IGF/MGF? HGH/MGF????
10-09-2006, 05:56 PM
They are all low-side-effect options bro, any of these is good.Originally Posted by logan22
Some people will say that you should start with AAS (even the semi-legal ones) before the peptides, but I like peptides for a first-timer, because they are low on sides and their effects are more subtle.
10-09-2006, 06:07 PM
My thoughts exactly. (Going to try lr3-igf1 as a first timer). Thanks for all the info Grunt!Originally Posted by Grunt76
10-09-2006, 06:57 PM
Originally Posted by Grunt76
Thanks again. Do you think I would need to use some GH or do you think if I added some cytomel I would get just as good of the fat burning properties?
10-09-2006, 07:36 PM
hey grunt I notice you recomend the rhIGF-1 [in other thread]because it stays more local at doses over 50mcg --but for a firstimer-- as long as you keep dosage under 50mcg, would the long give more bang for the buck?and not give coleman gut?
10-10-2006, 11:49 AM
I'm not sure what you are referring to... GH & T3 or what? GH is synergistic with T4 BTW, which is gentle and nice, unlike T3. But I am uncertain as to the actual question still, so I stop here.Originally Posted by logan22
Nope I don't recommend rhIGF-1.Originally Posted by skull
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