My take on IGF-1

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  1. So the igf-1 is more effective than the lr3 version?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by preston25
    So the igf-1 is more effective than the lr3 version?
    This whole thread is about Long R3 IGF-1. And no, hIGF-1 isn't more effective.
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  3. Thanks, Ive been using igf-1lr3 for some time now. EOD 25-40mcg with good results. I deffinitly notice that pee has a strange odor during my usage. Have you heard anything like this before?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by preston25
    Thanks, Ive been using igf-1lr3 for some time now. EOD 25-40mcg with good results. I deffinitly notice that pee has a strange odor during my usage. Have you heard anything like this before?
    No. You are probably not human.

    J/K. But I haven't heard of anything like that before...

  5. preston25, if your carbs are low you may be in ketosis...happened to me first week.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by mr athlete
    preston25, if your carbs are low you may be in ketosis...happened to me first week.
    Extremely smart reply, I say. Reps to you man.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    Note: I use "Hyperplasia" in the above posts, knowing it isn't the exact word for growth of new myoblasts. Close enough I guess.
    how about "myoplasia"?

  8. this might be a huge wastse of money---but if you are willing --would it have any value as a TD?--also Im starting to think the pgf2a I bought wont work?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by skull
    this might be a huge wastse of money---but if you are willing --would it have any value as a TD?--also Im starting to think the pgf2a I bought wont work?
    I don't think there would be any way to make this work as a transdermal.

    What's your pgf2a not doing? How are you using it?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    I don't think there would be any way to make this work as a transdermal.

    What's your pgf2a not doing? How are you using it?
    well its on its way but its supposed to be the only prod around that you can use as a TD to kill fat cells[ not just shrink]closesed thing to lipo and its also similar to igf as inject [site spec muscle growth]

  11. Quote Originally Posted by skull
    well its on its way but its supposed to be the only prod around that you can use as a TD to kill fat cells[ not just shrink]closesed thing to lipo and its also similar to igf as inject [site spec muscle growth]
    It is readily absorbed through the skin, so you should be fine.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    It is readily absorbed through the skin, so you should be fine.
    one thing that didnt make sense--they say its got good potential as a TD fat burner---but not so good as TD spot [site spec]muscle builder---now if I put it on an area that has thin skin[no fat] like biceps--why would it not work?

  13. hey grunt you seem very knowlegable about this [pgf2a] and [igf-1]how do they compare ,I know they can be stacked--any personal ex?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by skull
    hey grunt you seem very knowlegable about this [pgf2a] and [igf-1]how do they compare ,I know they can be stacked--any personal ex?
    No I have yet to try pgf2a on myself. I will report when I do.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    I cannot confirm this, although I agree there is no evidence of any heart-enlarging effects. For example, Long R3 IGF-1 is used for kids with deficiencies and no heart size monitoring is ever done. Pubmed is at your disposal if you want to look into that aspect of it. I concentrated my studies on enhancing the local effect and lessening the systemic.

    Virgin Cycle.... HGH alone? Igf-Lr3 alone? Mgf alone? HGH/IGFlr3? IGF/MGF? HGH/MGF????

  16. Quote Originally Posted by logan22
    Virgin Cycle.... HGH alone? Igf-Lr3 alone? Mgf alone? HGH/IGFlr3? IGF/MGF? HGH/MGF????
    They are all low-side-effect options bro, any of these is good.

    Some people will say that you should start with AAS (even the semi-legal ones) before the peptides, but I like peptides for a first-timer, because they are low on sides and their effects are more subtle.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    They are all low-side-effect options bro, any of these is good.

    Some people will say that you should start with anabolic steroids (even the semi-legal ones) before the peptides, but I like peptides for a first-timer, because they are low on sides and their effects are more subtle.
    My thoughts exactly. (Going to try lr3-igf1 as a first timer). Thanks for all the info Grunt!

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    They are all low-side-effect options bro, any of these is good.

    Some people will say that you should start with anabolic steroids (even the semi-legal ones) before the peptides, but I like peptides for a first-timer, because they are low on sides and their effects are more subtle.

    Thanks again. Do you think I would need to use some GH or do you think if I added some cytomel I would get just as good of the fat burning properties?

  19. hey grunt I notice you recomend the rhIGF-1 [in other thread]because it stays more local at doses over 50mcg --but for a firstimer-- as long as you keep dosage under 50mcg, would the long give more bang for the buck?and not give coleman gut?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by logan22
    Thanks again. Do you think I would need to use some GH or do you think if I added some cytomel I would get just as good of the fat burning properties?
    I'm not sure what you are referring to... GH & T3 or what? GH is synergistic with T4 BTW, which is gentle and nice, unlike T3. But I am uncertain as to the actual question still, so I stop here.

    Quote Originally Posted by skull
    hey grunt I notice you recomend the rhIGF-1 [in other thread]because it stays more local at doses over 50mcg --but for a firstimer-- as long as you keep dosage under 50mcg, would the long give more bang for the buck?and not give coleman gut?
    Nope I don't recommend rhIGF-1.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    I'm not sure what you are referring to... GH & T3 or what? GH is synergistic with T4 BTW, which is gentle and nice, unlike T3. But I am uncertain as to the actual question still, so I stop here.



    Nope I don't recommend rhIGF-1.

    Im leaning towards Lr3 and Mgf for a cycle. Lr3 6 days, MGF 7th...or possibly 2x a week. MGF is site specific, right, but Lr3 it doesnt matter...is that correct?

    I was going to add a little T3 jus to help stimulate the fat burning properties of my ministack. Would it be beneficial to use one box of GH during the above stack or is it a waste of money, no results seen in that short of time?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by logan22
    Im leaning towards Lr3 and Mgf for a cycle. Lr3 6 days, MGF 7th...or possibly 2x a week. MGF is site specific, right, but Lr3 it doesnt matter...is that correct?

    I was going to add a little T3 jus to help stimulate the fat burning properties of my ministack. Would it be beneficial to use one box of GH during the above stack or is it a waste of money, no results seen in that short of time?
    It would be conjecture. Insufficient data. LR3 IMO is somewhat site-specific when injected immediately postworkout in the muscle trained.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    It would be conjecture. Insufficient data. LR3 IMO is somewhat site-specific when injected immediately postworkout in the muscle trained.
    Again sorry for stupid questions, but Sunday is my day off. Is it ok to use MGF that morning into the muscle I want to grow most ARMS....even if Ive worked them prior in the week? Should I split up my Injections to spread the love to the different heads of the Bis and Tris all in the same day or each head a different week?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by logan22
    Again sorry for stupid questions, but Sunday is my day off. Is it ok to use MGF that morning into the muscle I want to grow most ARMS....even if Ive worked them prior in the week? Should I split up my Injections to spread the love to the different heads of the Bis and Tris all in the same day or each head a different week?
    That's another topic entirely.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    That's another topic entirely.

    How so? Is there another forum for that discussion?

    Im just looking for the best way to do both in a cycle.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by logan22
    How so? Is there another forum for that discussion?

    Im just looking for the best way to do both in a cycle.
    Because this thread is titled "My take on IGF-1" not MGF and it's a sticky, which means it'll stay on top of the forum for a long while and going off-topic is going to be counterproductive in the longer term, so I am stating that it would be best to start a thread about MGF.

    I know much much more about IGF-1 than MGF, so the "expert" is going to be a different person, whereas posting your question in my thread makes it a question to myself, sort of.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    Because this thread is titled "My take on IGF-1" not MGF and it's a sticky, which means it'll stay on top of the forum for a long while and going off-topic is going to be counterproductive in the longer term, so I am stating that it would be best to start a thread about MGF.

    I know much much more about IGF-1 than MGF, so the "expert" is going to be a different person, whereas posting your question in my thread makes it a question to myself, sort of.
    Point Taken. So do I need to backload my pins? If so how much?

    So a 1cc 29g pin would work well for this?
    Last edited by logan22; 10-11-2006 at 04:40 PM. Reason: another question same line.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by logan22
    Point Taken. So do I need to backload my pins? If so how much?

    So a 1cc 29g pin would work well for this?
    You are much better off with the 0.3cc or 0.5cc syringes. The 1cc's are less accurate, they go by 2IU instead of 1IU increments like the 0.5cc and 0.3cc do.

    This means that if you are using 1000mcg/ml concentration, you can only dose accurately in 20mcg increments with a 1cc slin syringe.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76
    You are much better off with the 0.3cc or 0.5cc syringes. The 1cc's are less accurate, they go by 2IU instead of 1IU increments like the 0.5cc and 0.3cc do.

    This means that if you are using 1000mcg/ml concentration, you can only dose accurately in 20mcg increments with a 1cc slin syringe.

    All my stuff is on the way. so at 40mcg its not recommended to go ED? Im planning on MGF 1-2X 100-300mcg a week as well. How would you suggest splitting it up...lift 6 days a week...and sunday rest.

  30. 1-Grunt if you had an exceptional body part would it make sense to workout that muscle group on a "off" day for pinning igf. Or would you rather pin the group for the sake of giving your already pinned muscle group time for the receptors to clear.
    2-When you spoke of storing your AA and igf in a syringe with tin foil you didnt mention having it in ice or heat is this correct? or is it safe to be at room temp for an hour or so?
    thanks in advance its good to see you around more.
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