My take on IGF-1
- 01-27-2007, 12:35 AM
Originally Posted by Hardgain
- 01-27-2007, 01:34 AM
question: as far as I see people are using insulin pins for injecting IGF and MGF. Do insulin pins only come in half-inch? Those are the only ones I could see around. Is half an inch deep enough? Do you ever need to use longer pins to get deeper into the muscle? For quads, for example, I think half an inch wouldn't be enough but this is just a wild quess...
01-27-2007, 04:31 AM
half an inch is sufficient for most sites, unless you're a fat ass like Grunt and his crew.Originally Posted by Sub7
How much fat do you carry on your quads? I would hope not much.
01-27-2007, 10:44 AM
I may be fat, but I still get plenty of snuggling. Plus, the ½" are quite long enough to hit my quads...Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
01-27-2007, 01:18 PM
Actually quads are my leanest bodypart and I am under 12% bf. I was commenting on 1/2 inch pins because I thought that ideally you would want to inject right into the middle of the muscle (equal distance from the bone and skin) and half an inch wouldn't do this. But, if the experienced guys say 1/2 inch is good enough that is sufficient for me
01-27-2007, 02:27 PM
There may be a point to using 1" needles in the quads, just so as to hit different fibers on the "first pass"...Originally Posted by Sub7
01-27-2007, 02:28 PM
01-27-2007, 03:21 PM
I think the smallest 1" are the 25 GA.... There may be 27ga but I don't think I have seen any...Originally Posted by Sub7
01-28-2007, 12:47 PM
hey grunt iam going to compete this year and my shoulders is really my weak side.
Where and how you you think i will lay it up. Iam going on the igf-1 on 3 weeks maybe mgf with it to
what you think of this
the day a training shoulders a pin the igf-1 in some place in the shoulders
then the day a training arms (arms is my best muscle group dont need more arms at all) I do side lateras for the shoulder pretty hard 20 minutes of he end of the workout after the arms then pin igf-1 into the side of the shoulders .
do you think its a smart way then i vill priotat my shoulders ? or how had you done ?
01-28-2007, 01:25 PM
Yes that is a good way to prioritize your shoulders. You could also train your rear delts with back and pin your rear delts with IGF-1 at the end of the workout. I actually do that sometimes. It is one of the more difficult spots to reach but it is doable.Originally Posted by Arutkaf
If you do MGF go with the Pegylated. Use it as I have described above and use the IGF as described here. That will have your shoulders catching up nicely. Update in a couple months allright?
01-28-2007, 01:32 PM
thanks bro very much! has not realy understood how iam going to do with the peg- mgf. I cant take that on the same days then a take igf-1? but I most take it on training days and injecting in my shoulders after training shoulders for best results?
Originally Posted by Grunt76
01-28-2007, 01:38 PM
Pegylated MGF must be taken at least 12hours apart from any IGF-1. It does not matter if it is injected after the workout, before, or on a rest day. Just make sure that you use IGF-1 postworkout 12-30 hours after pinning the pMGF for best results.Originally Posted by Arutkaf
01-30-2007, 01:58 AM
I have a few questions on how to prepare the solutions. They may sound excessively cautious, but this stuff costs $$$ and I think we should all make sure we get the most out of it.
When you get the IGf powder and the Acetic Acid solution, you are not supposed to squirt the AA on the IGF powder, right? Since IGF is a fragile molecule, the AA must be dripped on it gently, or so I hear. After you do that, chances are you will not have obtained a uniform/homogenous solution. Is it ok to either shake the bottle or to mix the solution with the tip of a sterile needle? I believe you have to do this and do this a bit hard or the solution you obtain will just not be uniform. I may be exxagerating but unless there is some vigorous mixing going on, I believe you will end up injecting 100 mcg one day and 10 mcg the next even when using the same volume...
Once the solution is mixed, is it OK to draw up everything in syringes, which means the last syringes will have their turn come up in 6-8 weeks. Ie. is the final IGF solution as stable in a plastic syringe as it would be in a glass bottle?
Also, how about MGF? I believe MGF is not as fragile a solution as IGF but nevertheless, does one have to take care of the same issues with MGF?
Finally, I know it has been discussed and I am sorry to ask again but which has to be refrigrated after reconstitution? IGF, MGF or neither? (It was said that IGF+AA is stable at 98 degrees for a year but I wanted to make sure)
01-30-2007, 09:06 AM
01-30-2007, 09:37 AM
i have a question regarding pre and post pinning. Lets say you pin your legs right before you work them. Would you not still get the benefits of site injections doing it that way the same as doing it post workout if you were able to hit the muscle group within say 5 mins??
01-30-2007, 09:45 AM
Taking the dive and inj. Dinoprost or is it Lutalyse? Dinoprost needs sterile solution, LR3-IGF-1 needs AA so I don't think you can use the two in the same injection.Originally Posted by skull
I've got my own opinion but what is it you're planning?
01-30-2007, 11:20 AM
Don't shake the bottle of IGF-1. If it is clear, it is homogeneous, no worries. If it isn't after gently running 1cc of 100mM (0.6% AA) down the side of the vial to the powder, let it sit 5-10 minutes. Then it will turn clear. And it will be fully homogeneous. No needle, no shaking. GENTLY swirling it around in the vial in circular motion with the vial held upright is the most you CAN do without degrading it and the most you should ever need to do.Originally Posted by Sub7
Leave the solution in the vials. Air pressure and temperature changes can discharge syringes. True.
Treat MGF the same as IGF-1 and you will be fine. Just reconstitute with BW not AA. Both should be refrigerated for best results.
01-30-2007, 11:22 AM
Maybe, maybe not. But the surest thing is that you will likely go hypoglycemic during your workout and be unable to train. Otherwise you need to pin it before your pre-workout meal, which is really not close to your workout time. Moreover, many report painful pumps by doing this, pumps that prevent fully working the muscle.Originally Posted by jonesboy
01-30-2007, 11:23 AM
Dinoprost Tromethamine == LutalyseOriginally Posted by Ziricote
Since they are both water based you could mix them in one syringe, yes.
01-30-2007, 11:46 AM
I was wondering if he had the salt or the branded Lutalyse. I know they're the same. Thanks for correcting me.Originally Posted by Grunt76
01-30-2007, 09:28 PM
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01-31-2007, 12:11 AM
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01-31-2007, 08:36 AM
01-31-2007, 02:47 PM
I have read the whole thread, great info Grunt.
I have a question for you Grunt, or anyone else who may be able to answer it.
If the AA causes muscle necrosis, would this facilitate new muscle growth with the administration of a growth factor such as IGF-1?
I have been on IGF-1 for a week now, i have been shooting with straight AA usually, sometimes with AA and bac water, all i can say is it burns with both, just less with bac water, anyway my AA is 9% bac water i think.
I must say i love IGF-1, amazing stuff.
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