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    grunt I really appreciate the info you have provided here and it has really helped me in regards to my IGF usage.

    I was wondering if you recomend dosing the IGF differently in regards to injury recouperation? I just seperated my clavical from the chest plate yesterday(snowboarding not training) and have some tendon tearing as a result. We got it back in place today and the doctor gives me 6 weeks to slowly work my way back into training. He says IGF would usefull in my recovery, injected into the nearby muscle tissue. He is an athlete as well and is aware of what it is i'm doing.

    In this type of situation would it make sense to do a 3 week cycle of 25-25mcg 2xtimes daily? or something similiar, or just stick with 40-50mcg EOD?

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    Grunt must ask you ! are on igf-1 and peg-mgf now 50 mcg igf-1 receptor grade.
    Peg-mgf 300 mcg/week 2 times per week
    and my stomach is very bloated and can"t eat so much my apitite is all gone and must have much food in me now !
    Have you heard about somebodyells that had this problem? and what to do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kabuki View Post
    grunt I really appreciate the info you have provided here and it has really helped me in regards to my IGF usage.

    I was wondering if you recomend dosing the IGF differently in regards to injury recouperation? I just seperated my clavical from the chest plate yesterday(snowboarding not training) and have some tendon tearing as a result. We got it back in place today and the doctor gives me 6 weeks to slowly work my way back into training. He says IGF would usefull in my recovery, injected into the nearby muscle tissue. He is an athlete as well and is aware of what it is i'm doing.

    In this type of situation would it make sense to do a 3 week cycle of 25-25mcg 2xtimes daily? or something similiar, or just stick with 40-50mcg EOD?
    I agree with your twice a day 3 x week idea. That would work very well IMO. And dude, I need to find a doc just like yours.


    Quote Originally Posted by Arutkaf View Post
    Grunt must ask you ! are on igf-1 and peg-mgf now 50 mcg igf-1 receptor grade.
    Peg-mgf 300 mcg/week 2 times per week
    and my stomach is very bloated and can"t eat so much my apitite is all gone and must have much food in me now !
    Have you heard about somebodyells that had this problem? and what to do?
    How much do you weigh? Are you using 300mcg a week of pMGF or 600? 150mcg twice a week, right?
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    iam around 110kg pretty lean! yes using 300 mcg per week
    heard of something like that?


    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post

    How much do you weigh? Are you using 300mcg a week of pMGF or 600? 150mcg twice a week, right?
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    Grunt I came across an article regarding IGF. The author discusses its benefits but then goes on to these thoughts by Mauro Di Pasquale, MD,

    "There is a feedback mechanism between the human growth hormone in the pituitary gland and the IGF-1 in the liver. The human growth hormone stimulates the release of IGF-1, but when the levels of IGF-1 rise to a certain point in the circulation, it signals the shutdown of growth hormone."

    1. In your opinion is this accurate?
    2.What can be done to minimize this?
    3. Can CJC at help kick start the HGH natural production?

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arutkaf View Post
    iam around 110kg pretty lean! yes using 300 mcg per week
    heard of something like that?
    That is a small amount. No, I have never heard of such happenstances.

    Quote Originally Posted by mr athlete View Post
    Grunt I came across an article regarding IGF. The author discusses its benefits but then goes on to these thoughts by Mauro Di Pasquale, MD,

    "There is a feedback mechanism between the human growth hormone in the pituitary gland and the IGF-1 in the liver. The human growth hormone stimulates the release of IGF-1, but when the levels of IGF-1 rise to a certain point in the circulation, it signals the shutdown of growth hormone."

    1. In your opinion is this accurate?
    2.What can be done to minimize this?
    3. Can CJC at help kick start the HGH natural production?

    Thanks
    1. Yes. I highly respect Dr. Mauro DiPasquale and his work.
    2. Stack GH with your IGF-1.
    3. Yes, and so can GHRP-6 and hexarelin.
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    yes but I respone extreme on igf-1 had done it before on 40 mcg media grade and extreme results! hoping it will get better

    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    That is a small amount. No, I have never heard of such happenstances.


    1. Yes. I highly respect Dr. Mauro DiPasquale and his work.
    2. Stack GH with your IGF-1.
    3. Yes, and so can GHRP-6 and hexarelin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    2. Stack GH with your IGF-1.
    If you do this though, aren't you reintroducing the "GH gut" problem that you're trying to avoid with your IGF protocol in the first place? (Not to mention spending lots of $$$.)
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    Also, do you think the recomp/fatloss properties of GH are primarily due to its effects on IGF and MGF? In this case, should IGF+MGF be expected to have similar fatloss properties? Or is this GH effect caused through some other mechanism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSavage View Post
    If you do this though, aren't you reintroducing the "GH gut" problem that you're trying to avoid with your IGF protocol in the first place? (Not to mention spending lots of $$$.)
    No, the GH gut problem only happens at high doses of GH stacked with insulin. Dosing IGF-1 ensures that insulin stays low.

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSavage View Post
    Also, do you think the recomp/fatloss properties of GH are primarily due to its effects on IGF and MGF? In this case, should IGF+MGF be expected to have similar fatloss properties? Or is this GH effect caused through some other mechanism?
    GH has its own mechanism quite separate from IGF/MGF. One particularly important piece of evidence of this is the controversial "GH Fragment" which can elicit fatloss on its own, and in fairly dramatic amounts in some people.

    I attribute IGF-1's fatloss prowess to a few things:

    1. Low insulin. IGF-1 replaces insulin for a few hours but only shuttles nutrients to non-fat cells. This allows for lipolisys to continue even when lots of high GI carbs are ingested, a condition in which normally insulin rises and puts a stop to lipolysis.

    2. Shuttling nutrients to only lean cells. That is obvious but it is a point on its own.

    3. Hyperplasia consumes LOTS of energy! Proliferation of myoblasts also. This is slower energy consumption is suited to fat metabolism.
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    As far the anti-aging properties of GH goes, is it the IGF-1 that helps with this or another property of GH that does??

    I'm asking because my wife is 38 and the little wrinkles are starting to bug her. We've talked about GH before, but if we could go straight to the IGF, that would be mch easier.

    Also Grunt...would a woman's dosage be about 1/2 of a guys? She does lift pretty hard and eats cleaner than I do. She'd like a little more muscle, but other than that, she's pretty happy with her body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRUNCH View Post
    As far the anti-aging properties of GH goes, is it the IGF-1 that helps with this or another property of GH that does??

    I'm asking because my wife is 38 and the little wrinkles are starting to bug her. We've talked about GH before, but if we could go straight to the IGF, that would be mch easier.

    Also Grunt...would a woman's dosage be about 1/2 of a guys? She does lift pretty hard and eats cleaner than I do. She'd like a little more muscle, but other than that, she's pretty happy with her body.
    I believe that SOME of the anti-aging properties of GH are mediated through IGF-1 but, really, for anti-aging, nothing beats GH. Dosage should be equal to a male, but proportional to bodyweight. IOW a 150lb female would use as much GH as a 150lb male. Start low and work your way up, but for pure anti-aging, 2 x 1.5iu ED would be plenty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    I believe that SOME of the anti-aging properties of GH are mediated through IGF-1 but, really, for anti-aging, nothing beats GH. Dosage should be equal to a male, but proportional to bodyweight. IOW a 150lb female would use as much GH as a 150lb male. Start low and work your way up, but for pure anti-aging, 2 x 1.5iu ED would be plenty.
    Got it, thanks Grunt!
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    Grunt,

    I have a buddy of mine who won't touch igf because of the fear of the "gut effect" What type of dosage would you need in order for that to happen with igf??
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonesboy View Post
    Grunt,

    I have a buddy of mine who won't touch igf because of the fear of the "gut effect" What type of dosage would you need in order for that to happen with igf??
    That's been discussed quite a bit in this thread. Keep it under 40 mcg every three days and he should be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonesboy View Post
    Grunt,

    I have a buddy of mine who won't touch igf because of the fear of the "gut effect" What type of dosage would you need in order for that to happen with igf??
    100mcg ED is a good start. If that doesn't work, then 200mcg ED should help.
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    cool man can't wait to get it.... just kidding
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    Quote Originally Posted by stvn View Post
    actually, screw it id be wasting my time
    Dammit. I had hoped that would be the last of your interventions in my thread.
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    thanks grunt, props to you for being helpful for so long on here

    cheers:hot:
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    grunt, pardon me if this is on here somewhere and i missed it, but how long do you run the igf during your 2XED cutting cycles?

    and just for an update how long are you currently running the 3X weekly bulking cycles ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by neverstop View Post
    grunt, pardon me if this is on here somewhere and i missed it, but how long do you run the igf during your 2XED cutting cycles?

    and just for an update how long are you currently running the 3X weekly bulking cycles ?
    Yes, there are so many variations out there. Basically you can run either continuously. Note that I recommended 3x week for mass and never mentioned the cutting aspect, but yes you can run the twice a day continuously for months. Don't expect much mass, but hey you are cutting. As a nutrient partitioning agent, it is second to none. I mean you can literally have 100g of high GI carbs, shoot your IGF-1, never trigger insulin and thus never stop lipolysis. How cool is that?
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    that is great news, man i think igf if the best thing since bottled 40oz beers, (almost anyway)

    i've got 6 more days of my 20mcg ED schedule and then
    i'm running the 3X weekly then until i run out
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    is it just me or does igf really make you crave sweets. I'm pretty good at staying away from them. but man has it been tough lately. The sweets have been winning a little lately. But the good thing is the igf seems to be keeping it off of my belly..
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonesboy View Post
    is it just me or does igf really make you crave sweets. I'm pretty good at staying away from them. but man has it been tough lately. The sweets have been winning a little lately. But the good thing is the igf seems to be keeping it off of my belly..
    I definitely crave carbs on this stuff.
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    Yeah after all it is INSULINLIKE. If you crave sweets, it's because you are going hypo. Eat more. The IGF-1 will put it away at the right places no matter what you eat...
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    Yea youre not alone brother. IGF-1 makes my appetite huge. I cant stop eating. Somehow, I still lean up around the waist though, which is great.
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    Is it just me or does anyone else get a sense of well being while on IGF. I cant describe it but man.... I am always in a great mood and my energy level is out of this world. Its kind of addictive.

    Im in sales and I just kill it when Im on IGF.
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    I heard from a reputable source that Grunt smells like a ham sandwich that was left out in the sun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr athlete View Post
    Is it just me or does anyone else get a sense of well being while on IGF. I cant describe it but man.... I am always in a great mood and my energy level is out of this world. Its kind of addictive.

    Im in sales and I just kill it when Im on IGF.
    Yeh man that shiz feels like heaven. Especially postworkout when you have your endorphins kicking in...


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    I heard from a reputable source that Grunt smells like a ham sandwich that was left out in the sun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous View Post
    I heard from a reputable source that Grunt smells like a ham sandwich that was left out in the sun.
    Ewwww
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    I'm having trouble with the quad tendon just above where attaches to me knee and am going to see a PT on Monday.

    Grunt: Can IGF-1 be injected into or near that tendon for some healing help, if so, what dose??

    I've been running IGF for about a month now at 40mcgs 3x's/wk. Shooting biceps, chest, lats, and shoulders, but rotating those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRUNCH View Post
    I'm having trouble with the quad tendon just above where attaches to me knee and am going to see a PT on Monday.

    Grunt: Can IGF-1 be injected into or near that tendon for some healing help, if so, what dose??

    I've been running IGF for about a month now at 40mcgs 3x's/wk. Shooting biceps, chest, lats, and shoulders, but rotating those.
    Yes you can inject into a tendon for near-immediate regeneration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    Yes you can inject into a tendon for near-immediate regeneration.
    That's exactly what I was hoping you'd say! Thank you Grunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    Yes you can inject into a tendon for near-immediate regeneration.
    Did that shot a couple minutes ago. I wanted to wait a couple days after my last shot. That one hurt too! We'll see how it's feeling in a couple days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRUNCH View Post
    Did that shot a couple minutes ago. I wanted to wait a couple days after my last shot. That one hurt too! We'll see how it's feeling in a couple days.
    Did it help any?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    Did it help any?
    No, but with reason. My PT thinks it's a patella tracking problem. He taped me up yesterday and showed me how to do it myself. The tape did help the pain I was having. In other words, no tendon problems. The IGF was worth a shot (no pun) though.
  

  
 

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