Mixing IGF with SD or Halodrol

[lilguy]

Just wondering what some inputs on this topic are didnt find much searching around. Anyone have any experience with this let me know thanks

[Ronin13]

I am looking for feedback regarding this as well because I was actually going to try this in August.

[Pitbull954]

Come on LakemountD your the man reply reply!!!

[parttimer]

I asked this a bit ago, its called "bookending" or something. Run IGF for 4 weeks, after two weeks of running it start the superdrol and go 4 weeks of superdrol. After the four weeks are up you should have been off IGF for 2, then run IGF for your entire post cycle therapy time, 4 weeks. I just started my IGF portion of the cycle yesterday.

Found the thread:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/igf-1...ohormones.html

[LakeMountD]

Come on LakemountD your the man reply reply!!!

Haha I'm here I'm here lol.

Yes I must say Superdrol + LR3 IGF-1 is a POTENT combination.

See IGF-1 can cause muscle cell hyperplasia, however, since these newly formed muscle fibers aren't matured yet, they need the process of hypertrophy to make them bigger and incorporate more myofibrils. When adding IGF-1 with AAS you are essentially getting the best of both worlds, increased anabolism, and the fact that you are allowing hypertrophy (maturing of the newly formed muscle fibers) to occur at a much faster rate.

Superdrol in itself is an amazing compound, adding IGF-1 will just make the gains more permanent.

You can do what parttimer said. Basically LR3 IGF-1 gains begin to come to a hault at around the 4 week mark. It is still not understand why this occurs although there are a lot of theories out there (they are talked about in the information link at the top of the page). Once you come off IGF-1 you have to wait at least 2 weeks (its believed) to begin using it again so that your body isn't accustomed to it anymore, therefore in an effort to use it during an AAS cycle AS WELL AS PCT where it is most effective for allowing you to maintain your gains, you are able to get the best of both worlds .

[Pitbull954]

Haha I'm here I'm here lol.

Yes I must say Superdrol + LR3 IGF-1 is a POTENT combination.

See IGF-1 can cause muscle cell hyperplasia, however, since these newly formed muscle fibers aren't matured yet, they need the process of hypertrophy to make them bigger and incorporate more myofibrils. When adding IGF-1 with anabolic steroids you are essentially getting the best of both worlds, increased anabolism, and the fact that you are allowing hypertrophy (maturing of the newly formed muscle fibers) to occur at a much faster rate.

Superdrol in itself is an amazing compound, adding IGF-1 will just make the gains more permanent.

You can do what parttimer said. Basically LR3 IGF-1 gains begin to come to a hault at around the 4 week mark. It is still not understand why this occurs although there are a lot of theories out there (they are talked about in the information link at the top of the page). Once you come off IGF-1 you have to wait at least 2 weeks (its believed) to begin using it again so that your body isn't accustomed to it anymore, therefore in an effort to use it during an anabolic steroids cycle AS WELL AS post cycle therapy where it is most effective for allowing you to maintain your gains, you are able to get the best of both worlds .

[Ronin13]

looks like I will be buying another 3 or 4 igf's

[Pitbull954]

looks like I will be buying another 3 or 4 igf's

What he said!!!

[lilguy]

any concerns on how rough on the body this might be?
Im thinking running
Ifg 30micrograms 5 days on 2 off end of day week 1-4
superdrol 10mg week 3
superdrol 20mg week 4-6
ifg 30mircograms 5 days on 2 off end of day week 6-10
Nolvadex (Liquid) 40/30/20/20 week 6-10

Any other ideas guys
Through in some over the counter liver maybe nitrix(just sitting around)


Any ideas on training programs twice a week sounds like its possible with this combo.

[Pitbull954]

I asked this a bit ago, its called "bookending" or something. Run IGF for 4 weeks, after two weeks of running it start the superdrol and go 4 weeks of superdrol. After the four weeks are up you should have been off IGF for 2, then run IGF for your entire post cycle therapy time, 4 weeks. I just started my IGF portion of the cycle yesterday.

Found the thread:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/igf-1...ohormones.html

That sounds like a damm good plan!!

[mixedup]

Can i do the same with PP or h-drol I was going to run my igf pct only but this bookending sounds good. But question do you need 4 weeks of igf on both sides could you do it like this
weeks 1-2 igf /pp
weeks 3-4 pp
weeks 5-6 igf/ regular pct?

you would still get the two weeks off in between and I was wondering since this would be my first time on the igf if I would want to run 8 wks total??? would 2 weeks at the start be enough time for the igf to kick if running in conjuction with pp?

[NevrEnuf]

just adding some input here but i ran a 17 day cycle of 20mg of superdrol along with a 25 day run at igf-1 @ 40mcg a day with great results, the igf helped me to keep all my gains through pct

[parttimer]

You would want to start the IGF before the PH/AS cycle to allow the body in theory, to create new muscle fibers. Then the PH/AS will make the new muscle grow bigger. Run the IGF at least a week before you start the superdrol or pheraplex. A week may not even be enough but at least get the process started.

[lilguy]

yeah i figure ill go two weeks before i start sd then run the ifg post ill keep everyone updated gonna start my igf tonight here comes the days of eat eat eat eat and then eat some more izza:

[DR.D]

I have to second what Lake said. SD w/ rIGF-1 L3 is a sweet combo indeed. IGF is more synergistic with SD than anadrol for sure.

[Ronin13]

Hey Dr.D - Hate to ask you for some advice... as I know you get this type of question way too often.......

but any suggestions on the best way to approach this? How many mcgs a day, etc... combined with a 3 week of SD.

I appreciate your guidance.

I have to second what Lake said. superdrol w/ rIGF-1 L3 is a sweet combo indeed. IGF is more synergistic with SD than anadrol for sure.

[DR.D]

Hey Dr.D - Hate to ask you for some advice... as I know you get this type of question way too often.......

but any suggestions on the best way to approach this? How many mcgs a day, etc... combined with a 3 week of superdrol.

I appreciate your guidance.

It's no prob Ronin13. This is my suggestion for a simple, 3wk SD only cycle. I will assume a maximum of 4w/o days per wk. If you w/o more frequently or do the IGF daily, drop the dose to 20mcg.

wk1: 10mg SD, 30mcg IGF post w/o only
wk2: 20mg SD, 30mcg IGF post w/o only
wk3: 20mg SD, 30mcg IGF post w/o only

This has yielded the best results for me.

[Ronin13]

Thank you Dr.D

I will be starting this in July or August. If there is any interest I will of course keep a log.

It's no prob Ronin13. This is my suggestion for a simple, 3wk superdrol only cycle. I will assume a maximum of 4w/o days per wk. If you w/o more frequently or do the IGF daily, drop the dose to 20mcg.

wk1: 10mg SD, 30mcg IGF post w/o only
wk2: 20mg SD, 30mcg IGF post w/o only
wk3: 20mg SD, 30mcg IGF post w/o only

This has yielded the best results for me.

[lilguy]

Dr D would you rec dose everyday for igf ? Or 5 on 2 off 30mg

If anyone is interested started this on monday great results so far. At the same time I bumped up the volume sorta like a hit program I pulled the program out of a book by Dr. Squat. Different days different intensity ect.

Noticed the hunger factor the next day when it comes to igf. Scale hasnt moved much maybe 2 lbs but my workouts have had alot of energy and starting to look fuller already. Not sure if anyone is interested in a log I will be glad to keep one.

I figure the igf isnt going to do much as far as moving the scale only by the side effects of increased hunger. Im thinking once the superdrol kicks in then comes the big results.

[DR.D]

Dr D would you rec dose everyday for igf ? Or 5 on 2 off 30mg

I'd been doing a M,W,F w/o schedule during PCT, but am starting a new cycle now with a 3on/2off rotation. That means I'll drop from 30mcg to 20. I'll be dosing 3 consecutive days now and 4.5d/wk total on average. So, your plan of 5on/2off is basically what I'm about to try too. I'll let you know how it works, but I think 30mcg is too much for this high of a w/o frequency. I'd aim to keep the total wkly dose to around 100mcg or less and never more than 40mcg in one pop if you wanna milk it as long as possible. For daily use, I'd say 15mcg max. The effects (like hypo) are certainly not as punctuated, but common sides (like organomegaly) can be avoided at this dose and the effects will remain fresh for at least twice as long in my experience. I'm kinda new to IGF too so I'm still in the learning phase as well.