Bear with me guys: IGF-1 and penile tissue hyperplasia?
- 11-19-2005, 03:24 PM
Bear with me guys: IGF-1 and penile tissue hyperplasia?
So the other night I was trying to cram down calories..and well my appetite just wasn't there...Sooo I went with the good ol' tried and true appetite booster delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol
Browsing the forums while eatings some chicken..some random words crossed my mind
IGF-1, hyperplasia, penis enlargement exercises(jelqing)
Now I can say, I tried some of these exercises for about a month before I got too bored of doing them and actually added .5" to my penis that has stayed for good.
I consider myself to be well-educated about all kinds of drugs, AAS, and the likes, though I certainly don't know as much as a lot of the smart guys on this site..
It makes perfect sense in my mind that if one were to do such exercises on an IGF-1 or GH cycle, it would certainly assist and speed up size gains of another manner.
I plan on running a 30-day IGF-1 cycle sometime in the near future(once i get the damn money!) and I am going to put this theory to work regardless..
The reason for posting this thread is just to see what other people think about it, if they have any experiences or opinions, etc.
Also I think its pretty damn hilarious myself.
...I can't even guess what kind of off-track topics this thread may stray too..lol
- 11-19-2005, 04:26 PM
11-19-2005, 04:44 PM
No, that isn't the idea. IGF-1 has the ability to cause new tissue growth. He isn't talking about local inj, he is looking at it's systematic properties. From what I know, IGF-1 can also speed recovery, which also would be a good for PE exercises.Originally Posted by Ikaika
If you don't know anything about PE (penis enlargement), the most common way is for exercising the penile tissue to cause it to scretch. There are many theories, any not much for hard facts as to why I does work, or even if it is a long lasting effect. Some even theorize that the penile tissue becomes injured, and repairs itself stronger, like muscle tissue after a hard workout.
Blown > This idea has actually crossed my mind before, so I'm very interested in what you find. You could find nothing at all, or maybe the theories are correct and you find some amazing results. Keep us posted.
11-19-2005, 05:14 PM
11-19-2005, 05:49 PM
not gonna work. basicaly the recptors there where shut down (the DHT receptors).
there is alot more info on this, if you want I'll expand. you wouldnt get any penile enlargement from this, unless you are an adolescent.
11-19-2005, 05:55 PM
Originally Posted by Ikaika
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NO!
Dogg: Thanks for explaining the general idea
About PE exercises in general and such: I did a program for a month more than 2 years ago, gained .5" and it has stayed since.
I'm certainly expecting it to work, just due to the fact that i've had success in the past.
I don't see why it wouldn't work, in fact I'm just hoping I don't end up with 16"+
Beo: LOL! good stuff
11-19-2005, 06:03 PM
Originally Posted by judge-mental
I wouldn't think it has anything to do with the DHT receptors, just the fact that the IGF-1 grows more cells in the body where stressed?
11-19-2005, 07:00 PM
ok. you need to get your physiology strait. its not that simple. there are specific anabolic pathways where IGF is either a messenger or upregulates messengers (directly, receptor crosstalk, whatever)
I don't have time for a full reiview on peniel tissue growth, maybe later
11-19-2005, 08:35 PM
Sorry man, I am in no way trying to say im an expert, i am far from that. When you get the time I'd love to read your reasoning.
My reasoning is rather simple but goes like this:
i've had PE experience and it was successful
IGF-1/GH can cause hyperplasia, acromegaly, all over your body, face, internal organs, we all know about that stuff.
I figure the stretching of penile tissue, slightly breaking it down, it would then "repairs itself stronger, like muscle tissue after a hard workout"(doggzj)
Now I know for a fact these exercises work, I just need someones insight on the actually physiological actions of IGF on human tissue.
You're speaking of anabolic pathways, but your penis isn't a muscle as we all know. Could someone chime in on IGF-1 and growth of other tissues asides from skeletal muscle?
I am not disrespecting in anyway, I'm just lookin for some information and explanations.
PS: My main reason for using IGF-1 is for the recomp effects, I just figured hey why not get a little extra from it
Sometime in the near future I will be running a cycle, and along with my weight-training routine I will be incorporating the PE routine as well, so I guess I'll be the guy who settles this. Expect a log in the near future fellas.
11-19-2005, 09:11 PM
11-19-2005, 09:12 PM
11-19-2005, 09:40 PM
11-19-2005, 10:46 PM
One of the main ways to increase penile length is stretching of the ligaments that attach the penis to the body.Originally Posted by judge-mental
I'm not saying this will/would work. PE itself is effective, but it's a very slow and long process. If this actually sped up the results, there is quite a large PE niche that would be buying all the IGF-1 they could find.
11-19-2005, 11:58 PM
As you said, the penis is an organ. Many claim that IGF causes your organs to grow, which some people claim to be the reason that so many pros have distended guts. ALR says that we have a lot of IGF receptors in the intestines, so your penis might not grow, but you could end up with some big ass intestines!
If it does in fact make organs grow, it could have some effect. But if what ALR says is true than other organs would probably claim most of the IGF.
11-20-2005, 09:18 AM
What the hell is PE (jelqing)?! IGF increases scar tissue deposition in injured tissue. That may be a bad idea in the penis. The reason GH/IGF causes gut growth is the same reason it would not help penile growth much. The tissues with fast cell division (quick turnover) like blood, skin, intestines, cancer, etc. respond most rapidly and favorably. Stuff that doesn't have a fast turnover, like nerves, bones, penis will not respond too rapidly.
I have heard that attaching weights to the penis will stretch it to increase length, but also have adverse effects on future erectile function. Is this the PE you speak of?
11-20-2005, 03:05 PM
The official medical/scientific community is to PE as the official medical/scientific community was to AAS. Which is to say, totally divorced from reality. So don't expect to be able to turn to the literature on this one.
If you want to learn about this stuff, visit the appropriate boards. Lots of people have been doing it for around half a decade now, and I have yet to see anybody who didn't see an improvment in erectile function --- reports of harm in this regard are non existant.
I've seen guys jelq too hard, too often, before they were experienced enough to handle hard workouts, and wind up with blood blisters on their dick. I even heard of a guy who managed to get blood to dribble out of his uretha as a result of his zeal. All parties recovered fully and quickly, and erectile function was not negatively impacted.
The IGF-1 theory was actually discussed on MOS. I believe one of the members was an AAS user, and reported no additional gains in his PE while on an IGF-1 cycle. But that's one sketchy recollection, so take it for what it's worth. Too my knowledge, nobody has actually done a direct test.
11-20-2005, 07:07 PM
really though, like D said.. what the hell is jelging?
Blown, please offer a breif explanation of this jelging thing. Blood blisters..
11-20-2005, 08:43 PM
There's a website that someone posted on Cuff's thread in the adult section with the link to the site for PE. Don't have time to get the link right now. Check out Cuff's Wild night thread. it's in there.
11-20-2005, 10:24 PM
just google jelqing. You will come up with tons of reading. If you use to much force you can cause the veins to not only stretch, but break and cause spots of blood on the penis. It's just a bruise, and it goes away. Not nearly at bad as it sounds.Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
11-20-2005, 11:18 PM
And that would be me. I have been doing the Newbie routine for a month and 20 days from Thunders Place and I have added 1/4 in length and a little girth. PE works. Some guys there have added 2" to there units as well as impressive girth gains (over time). I'm glad to see I can actually contribute to Dr. D's knowledge since you have been very informative in your posts on PCT protocols etc... You guys will find this site much like AM because these guys are good folks. There are some women on the forum as well. May I suggest the newbie routine first and after a couple of months you can try hanging for length and clamping for girth. I will be working on length before girth because, like they say, a thinner rubberband is easier to stretch than a thicker one. My wife notices the difference. I last longer and from Kegels I am learning how to become Multi orgasmic. Gentlemen, A Free PE site for you. Enjoy. Oh yea, I'm Proav8or over there. http://www.thundersplace.org/forum/index.php?Originally Posted by SOWarrior
11-21-2005, 01:11 PM
11-21-2005, 02:48 PM
LOL thanks max, don't act like youre not subscribed
Yea PE works, that's not the question.
I know 'PE workouts' can cause increases cell SIZE in penile tissue, just as weight training with muscle cells.
The question is would the IGF-1 cause any hyperplasia(growth of new cells) in penile tissue?
If anyone could chime in with some actual scientific info it would be wonderful.
11-21-2005, 03:08 PM
11-22-2005, 03:52 AM
I just thought of something, Birth control pills are estrogen correct? Well, estrogen makes titties grow right? What if a chick was to get a script for the pill and run IGF-1 concurrent? GIGANTANORMOUS TITTIES!!! I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, maybe more estrogen would be needed, but that could always be arranged. Somebody should find a female to try this. I've heard that in order to get a real good gyno goin' you need estrogen, progestin, IGF-1 (which is mediated by estrogen), and prolactin (mediated by progestin?). Think about the awesome titties that girls could get if they tried this and my theory is correct.
Especially since IGF will cut fat. Big titty hard body females.
11-22-2005, 12:17 PM
Not that I know everything about gyno but does that sound contradicting. Estrogen causes fat igf reduces it. Isn't there a possibility that the igf would take away the estrogen mediated effects in female breast tissue? Just a thought. Like I said I don't know as much as some so I could be off.
But I sure hope your theory is correct MWN.
11-23-2005, 02:31 AM
Well that's the great thing, titties aren't made of all fat, there's still small girls out there with big titties remember. Igf-1 isn't anti-estrogenic anyway, it just causes fat loss. Girls could shed a few pounds of fat on cycle and develop some breast tissue at the same time. I't kinda like how even if guys who have gyno cut down the still have gyno.
11-23-2005, 09:07 AM
Think of this too though a guy still can reduce the size of the gyno by cutting. The lump under the nipple is still there and nipples may be puffy and possibly still hold a little fat there but visibly the gyno is much reduced.
Also wouldn't small girls with big titties be genetic, where they hold their fat when they put on fat not high estrogen high igf-1?
Also then what else are titties made of besides fat that will grow from igf-1 use out of curiousity?
Understand I am not trying to start a huge debate or take this thread off topic but I am having a hard time understanding your theory.
11-23-2005, 11:47 AM
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11-23-2005, 05:23 PM
Interesting stuff here guys. I never heard of any of this stuff before. I guess i'll have to incorporate "jelging" into my training.
11-24-2005, 10:21 AM
Thanks Mach! It seems there is always something new to learn these days.Originally Posted by Mach .78
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